Rose is correct, there were multi-reasons for secession. The second wave particularly was primarily over opposition to Lincoln's war and his disregard for State sovereignty. Whether the individual issues were slavery, economics, northern terrorism, maritime trade, State sovereignty or Congressional discrimination in funding to southern States these were all viewed as transgressions to the rights of individual states. The trip wire that set the lower south off was the election of the very unpopular Republican administration of Abraham Lincoln. And yes he had a racial agenda to purify the United States into becoming an all white nation or at the very least segregationist in nature. He would start with the territories, then it was believed in time with increasing Federal power over the States, induce forced colonization of blacks out of the United States. In the meantime, following the John Brown raid on Harper's Ferry, all restraints on abolitionist-led terrorism would be withheld. The deep South, so dependent on the slave population would not cooperate and greatly feared the "fanatical" abolitionist. Internal security was a big problem. It was a two edged sword for the slaves. They wanted to be free but did not want to be forced into exile where living conditions may be even worse. The South was their home. Even in Missouri there was a Republican campaign slogan crafted by Frank Blair, was "Missouri For White Men" (meaning no blacks, free or slave). This is all history that you will not read in the school textbooks. It is much easier to simply state slavery was the cause and leave it at that. Because of the war, the Republican racial agenda could not be carried out. Lincoln needed a propaganda ploy to keep the British from intervening. He issued the emancipation proclamation. He also needed more soldiers and colored troops were the answer. After being forced to make take these war measures he had to reconsider his agenda. Luckily that turn of events was for the good of America and good for blacks but that is why black historian Lerone Bennett, Jr. titled his book, "Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream." Once the war began Lincoln realized that his cause was also to preserve the Union, he had to lay his agendas aside. Freeing the slaves eventually was needed and both sides decided to use colored troops (the Union in 1863 and the Confederacy in early 1865) By late 1864, the Confederacy began receiving petitions from politicians and soldiers urging the enlistment black troops. Jefferson Davis administration in 1865 announced, "Let us say to every Negro who wants to go into the ranks, go and fight, and you are free....Fight for your masters and you shall have your freedom." More history left out of the history books. [black confederates: http://www.missouridivision-scv.org/blackconfed.htm ] The cause of the Civil War was a complex situation. That was all the work of politicians. What we honor is the courage, valor of the common soldier, both Union and Confederate. The soldiers themselves were for the most part teenagers without any wealth of there own. They were only doing there duty as called upon by their nation or individual states. They fought heroically, giving their lives for their country. Virtually all southern soldiers fought to repel invaders, that was their "cause" (not slavery); virtually all the northern soldiers fought to preserve the union. These are reasons why Civil War buffs are so incensed when it comes to politicians that have no understanding of history, dictate to us what our heritage means. Yes, slavery played a big part of stirring up the crisis but that is NOT what we honor or admire. Whatever the "cause" of the politicians, it was the "cause" and valor of the common soldier, blue and gray that captivates us.These men had the purest intentions and do not deserve the mockery they are getting from ignorant political weevils of the present day. And sure I will even tip my hat to Lincoln and Jeff Davis for doing the right thing in the end. Scott K. Williams, Webmaster The Missouri Civil War Museum http://www.missouricivilwarmuseum.org/

Actually, Nancy dear, I'm a 7th generation Missourian (correctly spelled Missourian but pronounced Miz-her'-uhn from the state of Missouri - and that's pronounced Miz-her'-ee and not be confused with Misery pronounced Miz'-er-ee) married to a native (5th generation) Texan (pronounced Teks-uhn) with family in Texas dating back to the 1860s. I had family fight on both sides; Mike's were all Confederates. - Texians (Teks-ee-uhns) is what the people who lived in Texas when it was a part of Mexico and then later as a Republic were called. Texans (Teks-uhns - or sometimes Tak-suns depending on what part of Tay-uhks-sus you're from) are from the state of Texas. Therefore, with the exception of a few deluded groups out towards El Paso who fail to recognize that Texas forever gave up its right to become a Republic again after the Civil War, there are no longer any Texians, native or otherwise. - And to tie that into Missouri in the Civil War? The capital of the Confederate Missouri was Marshall, Texas. Fondly, SharonW who's been in the Dallas area since early 1981 -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Beck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MO-CW] To the Victors go the spoils To the Missouruhn, need to pull out that old dusty dictionary dear. >From a 3 generation "Texian". (native born Texan in case you don't know what Texian means): Texuhns is correctly spelled Texan. Fondly, Nancy from Texas ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== MO-CW Mailing List Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DesotoJoe1/index-13.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Bless you, Jared! Y'know, I had the same "unlearning" experience you did...guess we all do. My dad was an AF officer (from an ancient MO family), so we moved around a lot. I remember my first exposure to American History/Civil War (c 1960) in that hotbed of enlightenment--Amityville, Long Island, NY. Jeez, you would have thought that abolitionist John Brown and Abraham Lincoln had wings and walked on water. Never heard a kind word about the South. The official line was that the sanctimonious, morally superior North had to invade and conquer the South to make them see the "error of their ways," for their own good. Etc., etc. My dad said I'd need to learn for myself and make my own assessment. And so I have. It is truly SAD so many Americans are TAUGHT one thing, when in reality, history has many sides. Historical myopia may make one side feel better about their own heritage (i.e., the North), but it shows absolutely no understanding that--as in every struggle--there are two sides (i.e., the South). Slavery IS and always will be a "hot button" issue. But, most Northerners didn't really care one way or the other about the institution, either (abolitionists like the sociopathic John Brown excepted). Fairest scenario is that the North didn't want the South to secede (for reasons tied to economics, not emotion) and fought to "preserve the Union." When slavery entered the picture (concurrent with the Emancipation Proclamation), Union enlistments dropped dramatically, Union officers resigned, and draft riots occurred. The greater resources of the Union, nonetheless, prevented the successful secession of the Southern states and "preserved" the Union. The Union that resulted from the war was a far different government than what existed before the war--centralized, with less power to the states, Lincoln's legacy. Nancy B.

To the Missouruhn, need to pull out that old dusty dictionary dear. From a 3 generation "Texian". (native born Texan in case you don't know what Texian means): Texuhns is correctly spelled Texan. Fondly, Nancy from Texas

I assume that all of you who live in Missouri are writing letters to your State Representatives demanding a vote be taken???? That is our right as American citizens. SharonW - who no longer lives in MO but who was also a 6th generation Missouruhn on my grandfather's side and 7th gen on my grandmother's side until I left at age 11 - and who constantly corrects these silly Texuhns who want to call it Missouruh ...or Kentuckians who want to call us Missouri-uhns ...or strange people who try to tell me I'm from Misery. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MO-CW] To the Victors go the spoils Hello Everyone, I have for the past several weeks been reading many comments about the Confederate Battle Flag issue in Missouri. I have enjoyed comments from everyone on all sides. This is healthy to discuss and debate. The one thing that is not being inserted is the fact that the Confederate Battle Flag was lowered and removed for only political purposes.......period. The Governor of the state touts his defense as this Flag is a symbol of division. I'm sorry, but I have been a Missouri resident since birth and am a 6th Generation Missourian. I was raised in St. Louis, Missouri. In all the years I have lived, I have never heard anyone say that that Flag was guilty of dividing folks. Mostly it has been ignored. Now that there is interest generated, it can become a campaign issue for the ignorant representing those who they think are obviously ignorant. Notice, I use the term ignorant, not stupid or dumb. Is anyone aware that the Governor of Missouri spent over a Million Dollars on his personal Inaugeration. I have heard no one in favor of the Confederate Flag, make demands that were insensitive or out of line. No body is asking for this Flag to be flown over the Capital or on any Government buildings. What has occurred, without the people of Missouri being able to decide or make their own choice, a simple historic flag has been removed from what one could only deem appropriate locations for them. If there ever was an appropriate non-offensive location to display this flag, these sites were and are them. It blows my mind that Show Me Missourians have let their Governor take the Show Me away from them. I do not believe the so called Civil War was fought over Slavery, and definitely not from the Missouri prospective. I sure don't know where all those large Plantations were in Missouri. My kin fought on the side of the Confederacy and under William Clarke Quantrill, why? because their land, family and livelyhood were threatened. The Union Bullies at that time came in and stole land and took innocent lives, what would make you mad enough to go to war? Anyway, my point just being stand up Missouri, at least for the right to make your own decissions. I hope I havent' offended anyone, not my intent. I am in constant search for truth and appriciate all comments. Claiborne Scholl Nappier ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "Every man must be for the United States or against it. There can be no neutrals in this war, only patriots - or traitors." - Sen. Stephen Douglas ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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Posted on Sun, Mar. 02, 2003 Hunley captain's image may be preserved in locket Associated Press CHARLESTON, S.C. - A fair-haired man's image in a locket may give a clue to what the ill-fated captain of the Confederate submarine H.L. Hunley looked like. The locket is a family heirloom held by the great grandchildren of Queen Bennett, a Mobile, Ala., woman whose ill-fated wartime sweetheart died while commanding the Hunley, the first time a submarine to sink an enemy ship during war. George E. Dixon and his crew of seven died on Feb. 17, 1864 after sinking the USS Housatonic, a 200-foot Union warship, four miles off Sullivan's Island across from Charleston. While the submarine and the remains of the crew were brought to the surface in August 2000, what crew members looked like has remained elusive. Researchers thought they had a picture of Dixon, but a three-dimensional image of Dixon's skull overlaid on that picture proved it was not. That technique may be used with the locket image. The Hunley project also plans is to reconstruct facial features using the skulls of the eight men found on board. Scientists say they can reconstruct the men 's faces to a 98 percent degree of accuracy. That, if nothing else, may finally settle the question of what Dixon looked like. "The picture resembles descriptions of him and appears to be the way he dressed. This opens up a whole bunch of new questions," said state Sen. Glenn McConnell, the Charleston Republican and Hunley Commission chairman. "This really starts to put the human side to the Hunley's story. It adds depth to it," McConnell said. McConnell sees several similarities between the man in the locket photo and Dixon. Both seem to have high, sloping foreheads and strong brows. There is a mark on the man's chin that could be a cleft, which forensic anthropologists suggest Dixon had. There are other encouraging signs. The man in the photograph has light hair, and contemporary descriptions of Dixon suggest he had fair hair. Queen Bennett's possessions also include a pocket watch. When part of that watch was opened last year, Bennett's great-grandchildren, George Bennett Walker Jr. Walker and his sister, Sally Necessary, found an inscription: Queen Bennett, December 25th, 1862. That was the last Christmas that Dixon and Bennett spent together. "When we opened that you could have heard a pin drop," Necessary said. "I thought, `Oh my gosh. She and Dixon were very close. He probably gave her the watch,' " Walker said. The inscription intrigues Hunley experts because it is similar to an inscription on a $20 gold coin Bennett gave Dixon when he enlisted in the Confederate Army in October 1861. He carried the coin off to war. On April 6, 1862, his company the 21st Alabama stormed the battlefield at Shiloh in West Tennessee. Dixon was shot in the leg, but the coin deflected the bullet. Dixon had it inscribed with the date and name of the battle, his initials and the legend "My life preserver." Dixon was sent back to Mobile to convalesce through the first half of 1863 and spent more time with Bennett. McConnell, Walker and Necessary suspect that Dixon might have had both engravings done at the same time. Scientists want to know about the watch's origins, where it was manufactured and where in Mobile it might have been sold. Hunley researchers also want to know if the engravings are similar to Dixon's own pocket watch, found among his belongings on the Hunley. Scientists at the Hunley lab will open Dixon's watch this week, and officials with the project say they would be thrilled to find inscriptions similar to those on the Bennett watch and the coin. Information from: The Post And Courier Desoto Joe/The Record Man

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Well said Jared , You can add me to that "Hug your neck" list. Nancy from Texas So help me, I could simply hug your neck. Thanks.... Laura Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 I can't stand it anymore! Slavery is an indefensible evil. It has always been and will always be. When I began studying the War Between the States I had to unlearn many things I had been taught. I was under the impression that, leading up to the war, the greedy and evil people of the South hated negroes and kept them as slaves so they wouldn't have to do their own work. The enlightened and kind-hearted people of the North realized that slavery was wrong so they elected Lincoln as President because he had promised to free the slaves. Since they did not want to give up their slaves, the South seceded when Lincoln was elected and started the war by attacking Fort Sumter. Then Lincoln raised an army to free the slaves and bring the South back into the Union. When he won the war, the South had him assassinated. Actually, the Abolitionists of the day were a small minority of people and considered radical extremists by folks both North and South. The northern people resented slavery more for the economic advantage it gave the South rather than for morality issues. Lincoln is on record as saying that blacks were not equal to whites. He said that blacks and whites could never exist peacefully together. He wanted to deport them. When Lincoln put out his first call for 75,000 volunteers for the army, he went to great pains to explain that the purpose of raising an army was to bring the seceded states back into the union, NOT to free the slaves. Why? Because he would not have been able to raise an army otherwise. The purpose of the Emancipation Proclamation (almost two years after the war began) was to keep England out of the war. It did not free a single slave. It exempted Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri. Mass desertions from the Federal Army were feared, but by this time the soldiers had been bloodied and wanted to keep fighting anyway. The vast majority of the soldiers that fought for the Confederacy did not own any slaves nor did they care too much one way or the other. They fought because their homelands were invaded. I could go on and on. I also have ancestors from both sides of the conflict. I honor them all. I have no axe to grind except for those who would rewrite history to fit their desires. When I see a Confederate Battle Flag, displayed in the proper context, I do not think to myself, "Oh, if we just still had slavery," as some would seem to imply. If others choose to feel that way about me, that is their problem. They are the ones who are wrong. Jared E. Billings Festus-Crystal City, Missouri (It is OK to say Missour-uh if you also say Mississipp-uh, Miam-uh and Cincinnatt-uh) ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", as regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and our ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, me included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. The South was attempting several things in this war, some of them understandable in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation and legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find anything to defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. Pat

So help me, I could simply hug your neck. Thanks.... Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared E. Billings" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 I can't stand it anymore! Slavery is an indefensible evil. It has always been and will always be. When I began studying the War Between the States I had to unlearn many things I had been taught. I was under the impression that, leading up to the war, the greedy and evil people of the South hated negroes and kept them as slaves so they wouldn't have to do their own work. The enlightened and kind-hearted people of the North realized that slavery was wrong so they elected Lincoln as President because he had promised to free the slaves. Since they did not want to give up their slaves, the South seceded when Lincoln was elected and started the war by attacking Fort Sumter. Then Lincoln raised an army to free the slaves and bring the South back into the Union. When he won the war, the South had him assassinated. Actually, the Abolitionists of the day were a small minority of people and considered radical extremists by folks both North and South. The northern people resented slavery more for the economic advantage it gave the South rather than for morality issues. Lincoln is on record as saying that blacks were not equal to whites. He said that blacks and whites could never exist peacefully together. He wanted to deport them. When Lincoln put out his first call for 75,000 volunteers for the army, he went to great pains to explain that the purpose of raising an army was to bring the seceded states back into the union, NOT to free the slaves. Why? Because he would not have been able to raise an army otherwise. The purpose of the Emancipation Proclamation (almost two years after the war began) was to keep England out of the war. It did not free a single slave. It exempted Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri. Mass desertions from the Federal Army were feared, but by this time the soldiers had been bloodied and wanted to keep fighting anyway. The vast majority of the soldiers that fought for the Confederacy did not own any slaves nor did they care too much one way or the other. They fought because their homelands were invaded. I could go on and on. I also have ancestors from both sides of the conflict. I honor them all. I have no axe to grind except for those who would rewrite history to fit their desires. When I see a Confederate Battle Flag, displayed in the proper context, I do not think to myself, "Oh, if we just still had slavery," as some would seem to imply. If others choose to feel that way about me, that is their problem. They are the ones who are wrong. Jared E. Billings Festus-Crystal City, Missouri (It is OK to say Missour-uh if you also say Mississipp-uh, Miam-uh and Cincinnatt-uh) ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", as regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and our ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, me included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. The South was attempting several things in this war, some of them understandable in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation and legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find anything to defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. Pat ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "It's a disagreeable thing to be whipped." - Col. William Tecumseh Sherman ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "I hope to live long enough to see my surviving comrades march side by side with the Union veterans along Pennsylvania Avenue, and then I will die happy." - James Longstreet ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release Date: 2/10/03

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Hello Everyone, I have for the past several weeks been reading many comments about the Confederate Battle Flag issue in Missouri. I have enjoyed comments from everyone on all sides. This is healthy to discuss and debate. The one thing that is not being inserted is the fact that the Confederate Battle Flag was lowered and removed for only political purposes.......period. The Governor of the state touts his defense as this Flag is a symbol of division. I'm sorry, but I have been a Missouri resident since birth and am a 6th Generation Missourian. I was raised in St. Louis, Missouri. In all the years I have lived, I have never heard anyone say that that Flag was guilty of dividing folks. Mostly it has been ignored. Now that there is interest generated, it can become a campaign issue for the ignorant representing those who they think are obviously ignorant. Notice, I use the term ignorant, not stupid or dumb. Is anyone aware that the Governor of Missouri spent over a Million Dollars on his personal Inaugeration. I have heard no one in favor of the Confederate Flag, make demands that were insensitive or out of line. No body is asking for this Flag to be flown over the Capital or on any Government buildings. What has occurred, without the people of Missouri being able to decide or make their own choice, a simple historic flag has been removed from what one could only deem appropriate locations for them. If there ever was an appropriate non-offensive location to display this flag, these sites were and are them. It blows my mind that Show Me Missourians have let their Governor take the Show Me away from them. I do not believe the so called Civil War was fought over Slavery, and definitely not from the Missouri prospective. I sure don't know where all those large Plantations were in Missouri. My kin fought on the side of the Confederacy and under William Clarke Quantrill, why? because their land, family and livelyhood were threatened. The Union Bullies at that time came in and stole land and took innocent lives, what would make you mad enough to go to war? Anyway, my point just being stand up Missouri, at least for the right to make your own decissions. I hope I havent' offended anyone, not my intent. I am in constant search for truth and appriciate all comments. Claiborne Scholl Nappier

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I can't stand it anymore! Slavery is an indefensible evil. It has always been and will always be. When I began studying the War Between the States I had to unlearn many things I had been taught. I was under the impression that, leading up to the war, the greedy and evil people of the South hated negroes and kept them as slaves so they wouldn't have to do their own work. The enlightened and kind-hearted people of the North realized that slavery was wrong so they elected Lincoln as President because he had promised to free the slaves. Since they did not want to give up their slaves, the South seceded when Lincoln was elected and started the war by attacking Fort Sumter. Then Lincoln raised an army to free the slaves and bring the South back into the Union. When he won the war, the South had him assassinated. Actually, the Abolitionists of the day were a small minority of people and considered radical extremists by folks both North and South. The northern people resented slavery more for the economic advantage it gave the South rather than for morality issues. Lincoln is on record as saying that blacks were not equal to whites. He said that blacks and whites could never exist peacefully together. He wanted to deport them. When Lincoln put out his first call for 75,000 volunteers for the army, he went to great pains to explain that the purpose of raising an army was to bring the seceded states back into the union, NOT to free the slaves. Why? Because he would not have been able to raise an army otherwise. The purpose of the Emancipation Proclamation (almost two years after the war began) was to keep England out of the war. It did not free a single slave. It exempted Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri. Mass desertions from the Federal Army were feared, but by this time the soldiers had been bloodied and wanted to keep fighting anyway. The vast majority of the soldiers that fought for the Confederacy did not own any slaves nor did they care too much one way or the other. They fought because their homelands were invaded. I could go on and on. I also have ancestors from both sides of the conflict. I honor them all. I have no axe to grind except for those who would rewrite history to fit their desires. When I see a Confederate Battle Flag, displayed in the proper context, I do not think to myself, "Oh, if we just still had slavery," as some would seem to imply. If others choose to feel that way about me, that is their problem. They are the ones who are wrong. Jared E. Billings Festus-Crystal City, Missouri (It is OK to say Missour-uh if you also say Mississipp-uh, Miam-uh and Cincinnatt-uh) ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", as regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and our ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, me included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. The South was attempting several things in this war, some of them understandable in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation and legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find anything to defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. Pat ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "It's a disagreeable thing to be whipped." - Col. William Tecumseh Sherman ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Laura..I e-mailed you a few weeks ago indicating I thought we might have a family connection with a civil war soldier from Macon.... .I have been in contact with my cousin who was doing research and came up with the Bealmer connection but we can't find it now...She was in Frankfort, Ky looking through records and found the connection to a serviceman from Macon, Missouri....No one developed it further but as I remember it came down to me somehow....I grew up in Moberly and have ties all over central and NE Mo. Thought I could find where it comes together but couldn't......I know there are Bealmers in Moberly as I worked with one on the Norfolk Southern R R...His family came from around Macon so probably linked in there someplace.....Enjoy reading Desoto's news and keeping in touch with Missouri ..If you have any info feel free to contact me anytime....Yours, Robert M Ballinger...Muncie,IN. Laura Belmar wrote: >Joe, I do SO enjoy and appreciate the job you do. I for one and slow to >pass out compliments but you sir, are well deserving of one. I could rant >on but will instead just say THANKS. Laura >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Desoto Joe/The Record Man" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:36 AM >Subject: [MO-CW] FYI > > >I have been off list for awhile, personal situations & phone lines were out >for a few days due to the weather. Tonight when I get in from work, I'll try >to answer some questions. I would like to answer one members request & share >it with all. > >To ?: (name withheld out of courtesy, even when I'm accused of not having >any) > >This list covers all topics related to the Civil War in Missouri, from the >actual time period, or topics that are currently being raised in the press. >Everyone on the list has the right to express their opinions on any topic >that is relevant. Sometimes as administrator, you have to allow a few >offtopic posts, because sometimes, people just need to share things with >others whom they assume, might be interested. I'm probably the biggest >person guilty of that infraction. I sometimes post articles that deal with >other states, but are interesting because they deal with the Civil War. I >have tried to send most of these articles to my friend David, who graciously >maintains a website that posts all of my postings concerning the Civil War. > >I sometimes cannot answer every request, especially complaints, but I do >receive them from time to time, & try diligently to address the concerns of >all members. In fact, I feel that everyone here, tries to maintain the >highest standards of proper net etiquette. I have many irons in the fire & >maintaining the list & webpage, while fulfilling my other obligations, is >very demanding. I usually get little sleep, but I enjoy trying to help >others in their search for the truth concerning the conflict. > >There are people who come & go from our list. They find help & leave, but >sometimes return. My mailbox is jammed with requests & bounced messages, >misdirected posts, etc. Often, we receive requests that have nothing to do >with the War, but I do not chastise these posters, I try to help them >offlist instead. > >My political affiliations have nothing to do with the way I run the list. I >do not consider myself associated with any political party. I do not vote >straight ticket on anything, but support the candidates & issues that I feel >will best support my conscience. From the day you are born, until the day >you die, everyone's life is evolved around politics. This is unfortunate, >but a fact of life. I am aware of your dislike to the recent political >postings, but again, I see no harm in allowing them as long as they relate >to our state & the Civil War. > >Your last complaint was rude in it's content & was not replied to until now, >because Sunday, I was shoveling snow all night at the Hospital with a crew >of only three. Last night I came in & crashed on my couch, grabbed a few >hours sleep & woke to get my daughter ready & on the bus for school. I'm >typing this response & perhaps I can grab a little shut eye before I plod >off to work. > >My point is this: Don't be so thick skinned, life is too short. Contribute >to the list what you can, read what you like, delete offending posts, or >comment on them. Try not to post anything that is hurtful by directing it at >individuals. We all will never agree on everything, but that's ok. If this >reply is not to your liking, then I suggest you unsubscribe & find a list >that will fulfill your particular needs, or start your own. Yes the War is >over, but the political ramifications have followed this state ever since. >Of course, if the majority of the members on the list feel that I am in >error in these statements, please feel free to inform me of my >transgressions. > >Anyone see Gods & Generals yet? > >Desoto Joe/The Record Man > > >==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >"Every man must be for the United States or against it. There can be no >neutrals in this war, only patriots - or traitors." - Sen. 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I am surprised that no has mentioned the fact that only 5 states originally succeeded from the union. Most of the other 8 states were forced to make the choice after their communities were mistreated by the union army. Rose

Those who wish to understand the Missouri Confederates should read "General Orders No. 3" from Headquarters District of Missouri, dated Saint Louis, June 23, 1862. Study about the Northern Invasion, execution of pro Southern sympathizers and the confiscation and destruction of their private property. Before anyone "leaps upon my back," my maternal g-granddad served with the Missouri E.M.M. and my paternal g-granddad served with Elliot's 9th MO Cav. CSA. After spending hours of research in Polk County and Dallas County, I realized that my "poor folk" ancesters were fighting for their homes. My paternal g-granddad lost his farm and became a POW. I would have stood with my Southern heritage...not for slavery, but for home and in opposition to oppression. SM, USN Ret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Worthey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: RE: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 > Someone correwct me if I'm wrong (I "know" you guys will!) but I thought > at the beginning of the war slavery wasn't even an issue - it was state > vs federal rights and economics. But Mr. Lincoln was a very smart > politician and knew he couldn't get brother to fight against brother > without a strong enough rallying point, thus slavery was introduced as > an issue. > SharonW > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 > > As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am > concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", > as > regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and > our > ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, > me > included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in > appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. > The > South was attempting several things in this war, some of them > understandable > in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation > and > legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find > anything to > defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of > > valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful > comments > from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. > Pat > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "It's a disagreeable thing to be whipped." - Col. William Tecumseh > Sherman > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________

Here's the link http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/ceremonies/originoftaps.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [MO-CW] Taps Dear Researchers, While this is a beautiful story and I wish it were true, it is unfortunately an urban myth. If you will go to the web site for Arlington National Cemetery, you can find the origins for TAPS. It was written during the War Between the States. In their memory Robert H. Meek, JR Colonel, USAR(RET) Hickory, NC An unreconstructed Rebel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MO-CW] Taps > TAPS > > We in the United States have all heard the haunting song, "Taps." It's the > song that gives us that lump in our throats and usually tears in our eyes. > But, do you know the story behind the song? > If not, I think you will be interested to find out about its humble > beginnings. > > Reportedly, it all began in 1862 during the Civil War, when Union Army > Captain Robert Ellicombe was with his men near Harrison's Landing in > Virginia. The Confederate Army was on the other side of the narrow strip > of land. During the night, Captain Ellicombe heard the moans of a soldier > who lay severely wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or > Confederate soldier, the Captain decided to risk his life and bring the > stricken man back for medical attention. > > Crawling on his stomach through the gunfire, the Captain reached the > stricken soldier and began pulling him toward his encampment. When the > Captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered it was actually a > Confederate soldier, but the soldier was dead. The Captain lit a lantern > and suddenly caught his breath and went numb with shock. > > In the dim light, he saw the face of the soldier. It was his own son. > The boy had been studying music in the South when the war broke out. > Without telling his father, the boy enlisted in the Confederate Army. The > following morning, heartbroken, the father asked permission of his > superiors to give his son a full military burial, despite his enemy status. > His request was only partially granted. The Captain had asked if he could > have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for his son at the > funeral. The request was turned down since the soldier was a Confederate. > But, out of respect for the father, they did say they could give him only > one musician. The Captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to play a > series of musical notes he had found on a piece of paper in the pocket of > the dead youth's uniform. This wish was granted. > > The haunting melody, we now know as "Taps" ... used at military funerals > was born. The words are: > > Day is done ... Gone the sun ... From the lakes ... From the hills From > the sky ... All is well ... Safely rest ... God is nigh. > > Fading light ... Dims the sight ... And a star ... Gems the sky ... > Gleaming bright ... From afar ... Drawing nigh ... > Falls the night. > > Thanks and praise ... For our days ... Neath the sun ... Neath the stars > Neath the sky ... As we go ... This we know ... God is nigh. > > I, too, have felt the chills while listening to "Taps" but I have never > seen all the words to the song until now. I didn't even know there was > more than one verse. I also never knew the story behind the song and I > didn't know if you had either so I thought I'd pass it along. I now have > an even deeper respect for the song than I did before. > > REMEMBER THOSE LOST AND HARMED WHILE SERVING THEIR COUNTRY. > > And also those presently serving in the Armed Forces. > Forwarded by CSN ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "There are but two parties now: traitors and patriots. And I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter and, I trust, the stronger party." - Ulysses S. Grant ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "It's a disagreeable thing to be whipped." - Col. William Tecumseh Sherman ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Researchers, While this is a beautiful story and I wish it were true, it is unfortunately an urban myth. If you will go to the web site for Arlington National Cemetery, you can find the origins for TAPS. It was written during the War Between the States. In their memory Robert H. Meek, JR Colonel, USAR(RET) Hickory, NC An unreconstructed Rebel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MO-CW] Taps > TAPS > > We in the United States have all heard the haunting song, "Taps." It's the > song that gives us that lump in our throats and usually tears in our eyes. > But, do you know the story behind the song? > If not, I think you will be interested to find out about its humble > beginnings. > > Reportedly, it all began in 1862 during the Civil War, when Union Army > Captain Robert Ellicombe was with his men near Harrison's Landing in > Virginia. The Confederate Army was on the other side of the narrow strip > of land. During the night, Captain Ellicombe heard the moans of a soldier > who lay severely wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or > Confederate soldier, the Captain decided to risk his life and bring the > stricken man back for medical attention. > > Crawling on his stomach through the gunfire, the Captain reached the > stricken soldier and began pulling him toward his encampment. When the > Captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered it was actually a > Confederate soldier, but the soldier was dead. The Captain lit a lantern > and suddenly caught his breath and went numb with shock. > > In the dim light, he saw the face of the soldier. It was his own son. > The boy had been studying music in the South when the war broke out. > Without telling his father, the boy enlisted in the Confederate Army. The > following morning, heartbroken, the father asked permission of his > superiors to give his son a full military burial, despite his enemy status. > His request was only partially granted. The Captain had asked if he could > have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for his son at the > funeral. The request was turned down since the soldier was a Confederate. > But, out of respect for the father, they did say they could give him only > one musician. The Captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to play a > series of musical notes he had found on a piece of paper in the pocket of > the dead youth's uniform. This wish was granted. > > The haunting melody, we now know as "Taps" ... used at military funerals > was born. The words are: > > Day is done ... Gone the sun ... From the lakes ... From the hills From > the sky ... All is well ... Safely rest ... God is nigh. > > Fading light ... Dims the sight ... And a star ... Gems the sky ... > Gleaming bright ... From afar ... Drawing nigh ... > Falls the night. > > Thanks and praise ... For our days ... Neath the sun ... Neath the stars > Neath the sky ... As we go ... This we know ... God is nigh. > > I, too, have felt the chills while listening to "Taps" but I have never > seen all the words to the song until now. I didn't even know there was > more than one verse. I also never knew the story behind the song and I > didn't know if you had either so I thought I'd pass it along. I now have > an even deeper respect for the song than I did before. > > REMEMBER THOSE LOST AND HARMED WHILE SERVING THEIR COUNTRY. > > And also those presently serving in the Armed Forces. > Forwarded by CSN ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "There are but two parties now: traitors and patriots. And I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter and, I trust, the stronger party." - Ulysses S. Grant ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237