Saint Anthony' used to be in the city but is now in South County at Interstate 255 and Mo. Highway 21Missouri Baptist was originally in the City at N. Taylor but is now in West County. about a half mile south of St. John's Mercy.. Missouri Baptist was the first hospital to move to county. They were impacted in the city and could not add more to the existing buildings. My oldest son was born at MoBap in the City. My youngest son was born at MoBap in the County...one of the first babies born there in 1966. Jeane D.. kimbuc4@juno.com wrote: List members, For the past several days there have been a number of messages concerning the lack of information on burials and tombstones. I have mentioned this in the past but apparently there are many new members. Some basic information about cemeteries, concerns tombstones. Only about 60 -70 percent of burials are covered by a tombstone!. Why? They cost a pile of money and years ago many families couldn't afford them. I believe you will find many homemade tombstones, particularly in rural cemeteries. Then here in St. Louis you will find cemeteries where tombstones have been removed because they were damaged, some were toppled over and left on the ground and eventually covered over by dirt. I have relatives who were buried in one cemetery where the cemetery removed the stones because the family hadn't paid the Endowed/Perpetual Care. The there are the vandal damaged cemeteries, this is when many will find that it is the family's responsibility to either repair, replace or abandon the tombstone to the landfill. Then there are those instances where there is a MEMORIAL Stone, there is no burial. At Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery there are several of these in areas where no burials can be made due to the ground conditions, rock. Every veteran is authorized a tombstone, even those men and women lost at sea, or MIA and POW. For the lost grandfather, chances are he is buried right next to his wife and won't be found unless you open the grave, why not install the double headstone to at least acknowledge his existence? Of course there are cemeteries where this isn't always the case. St. Rose in St. Rose Illinois is an example. They follow the rule that you are buried as you die, in sequence, spouses will be found separated in this cemetery. When we removed the burials at Washington Park Cemetery, the tombstones were relocated to the new cemetery, if they weren't damaged, but they were not reset in an upright position, that cost too much money and the relocation effort was already costly, so the new cemetery laid the stone on the ground over the grave. These mass relocations were done at basically two cemeteries in the St. Louis area, both religious affiliated. The old tombstones were destroyed and dumped into landfills. There were some rather expensive tombstones destroyed because they had chips along the edges, some of these had photo images that were also destroyed. This could start another thread, but let me say at this point there are no laws to cover tombstones. There are cemetery rules, i.e. if damaged they can removed and destroyed. Should a VA stone be place in a non-VA cemetery the family will frequently pay the installation fee, if this stone is later destroyed in this non-VA cemetery the VA is to be called and they will either pick up the stone or tell the cemetery to destroy it, they will not normally provide a replacement stone. But at the VA cemetery they will install a new stone at government expense. You must also remember that tombstones frequently contain wrong information. Frequently this is the only place you have for information on the persons birth, however, treat it with some suspicion until you find some information closer to his birth. The best rule of thumb is to use the information closest to the event. For example, Death Certificates are not always correct when it comes to the Date of Birth, nor where the person or their parents were born. I have one family with 8 children. The father is listed a JOHN HERMAN, HERMAN JOHN, JOHN H., H. JOHN and HERMAN HENRY then HENRY HERMAN. His name was found to be JOHN HERMAN HENRY, Germans used all names, Given, Baptismal, Confirmation and then finally Surname. Naturally they can all be found misspelled, because the person providing the information couldn't read or write. My method of madness is: Tombstone Obit Death Certificate Wedding License, remember in Europe there may be two of these one Civil and one Religious. Baptismal Record Birth Record, remember in Europe there may be two of these one Civil and one Religious. Lest I forget Middle names are frequently found on Baptismal Records that even the parents weren't aware of. If the parents didn't provide the name of a saint the priest often used Mary for girls and Joseph for the boys. Use hard evidence, but remember that paper records were frequently destroyed by fire, it almost seems that many of the court houses had fires in 1890. Then the registration of births wasn't really required in Missouri until the late 1900 decade, if memory serves me right about 1907. Another bit of information you might keep in the back of your mind. In Missouri, it is the responsibility of the Funeral Director to fill out the Death Certificate. He does this by talking with the family and hospital. The Doctor is the one that signs the Death Certificate. Then again another problem. can enter here. My brother-in-law died at 11:00 PM. on a given date, but the on duty doctor didn't pronounce him dead unto 3:00 am the next day, guess what date is on his death certificate. I have a neighbor who was born in Illinois, the midwife who delivered him didn't like Illinois so she registered his birth in St. Louis County, Missouri. You will find in St. Louis several births recorded as: DePaul Hospital, St. Louis, City, Missouri and DePaul Hospital, Bridgeton, St. Louis County, Missouri. Both are correct the hospital moved. St. Luke's Hospital, St. John's Mercy and The Christian Hospitals have all relocated to the county area. Many people will say they were born in St. Louis, at St. Mary's Hospital, when they were really born in St. Louis County. This may sound picky, but it is a fact. Obituaries are another source of data, however, they are not always correct, they aren't free and yes I know some of you will say the funeral home pays for them. I ask you who pays the funeral home? Funeral Homes are a business and this is a subject for another time. It seems that many on this list ask about where a particular cemetery is located since they can't find it. GNIS is out there and doesn't contain a listing of all the cemeteries and darn few associated with churches. If you can't find the cemetery, look for the church. In the areas you are searching you will frequently find that the church was built in the middle of the churches cemetery, they also keep the records. In Linn Missouri St. George Cemetery was opened a few years back, not all the bodies were moved to the new cemetery the tombstones were and are now located in the back part of the new cemetery, the bodies are under the parking lot behind the church. Hey guys cemeteries are interesting, historical treasurers and should be taken care of forever. In the olden days people would have family picnics in them. Bill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Many would be scantily clad if dressed in their own humility. 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