Helen, You have GOT to be kidding me! I also have a double Smith situation. Jonathon Nickles Smith (PA) who married Mary Josephine Kneedy (IL) and they had a daughter, Ella Janetta Smith (Iowa). Ella Janetta married a man named Ernest Geraldine Bruce (Iowa) in which THEY had a daughter Mabel Bruce (Iowa) who married Luther Allen Smith (MO). This Luther's father, is the John W. Smith (OH) of which I was looking for mentioned below. Yes, it is crazy. Those Smith's make me crazy. Family lore has it the Mary Kneedy was disinherited by her Pennsylvania Dutch parents for running away with Jonathon Nickles Smith and so, yep - you guessed it, never saw their families again. And further, that John W. Smith must have a very shady background as he told his children some cockamamie story about how he came from Ireland as a little boy with his family after his father (name unknown) was murdered due to the father being a member of the Parliament (a supposed political killing). John W. Smith claimed they changed their last name TO Smith when they signed in on the boat. Now I realize that in Ireland the last name McGowan has often translated into the name Smith in the U.S.A. But census records say he was born in Ohio and both parents were born in "America". I'm like, OK - big deal and not helpful. John W. Smith's last child (out of 4-all born in Missouri) was born after they started keeping birth records and it also says John W. Smith was born in Ohio. So, I am going with Ohio. My grandmother, Mabel Bruce (who married John W's son Luther) could not remember John's mother's name but believed she had settled in Sedalia, MO. Seems there was a teenage murder by one of the Bruce boys but the extended families from Iowa refuse to talk about it. Have no idea what went wrong there.......just confusion all over the place. These families all cut each other off from communication...so true stories got passed along and they didn't even get together so grandkids could meet their grandparents. We do have quick and determined tempers - I'll say that. One time I went 10 years without talking to my parents. We're a pretty hot headed bunch and we claim the market on dysfunctional! Ernest Bruce and John W. both ran away from home in their teens so neither one of them had good father examples to learn from. Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn. I'd like to thank both of you ladies for listening to my story. Hope you can follow it alright. Nuts, nuts, nuts. Minta Rumsey Scranton, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loretta Eichmann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 > How about Robert Smith that is my father and I think his grandfather was > Robert Ernest Smith . Have hit a big brick wall in looking for them . My > father I know where is buried at but Fl. does not have his birth as they > just started recording the births in 1917 . Must have started after Feb > in 1917 . Smith are so much fun and mine is a double Smith as my mother > who was a ( MO ) Smith married a Smith forn in Fl. to a MO. Father and > new york mother . Lots to look for > > Loretta > On Oct 12, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Helen Rehm wrote: > >> Hi Minta. >> >> John W. Smith???? I think you made that name up!!! Just kidding. >> I'll bet that would be a nightmare to look up a John Smith. But, you >> know what? You pay plenty for those death cert. so the least they can do >> is look for it. I really didn't need the one I sent for as I was lucky >> enough to find an obituary in a little newspaper in the town where this >> person lived. >> >> Take care. >> >> Helen >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "2Skunks" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 >> >> >>> Helen, >>> >>> That same thing happened to me several years ago! That woman must still >>> work there! I tried again and finally got the death certificate I was >>> seeking! The hard part was finding John W. Smith, my great grandfather. >>> There are soooo many Smiths that I think she just did not want to mess >>> with it, like you said. Maybe you should try it again, and perhaps she >>> will be in a better mood the next time. >>> >>> Minta J. Rumsey >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Rehm" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 >>> >>> >>>> Sue. I sent to Jefferson City for a death certificate for someone that >>>> died in 1920, and they said there wasn't one. So I called them and >>>> they told me that even though the Dr. was suppose to fill one out, >>>> some Doctor's still didn't do it. I was going to send in for it >>>> again, thinking whoever had looked the first time didn't want to mess >>>> with it, and the lady said I would just be wasting my money. Hope you >>>> find what you are looking for. What about a church or funeral home, if >>>> you know any of these details. I have gotten some good records from >>>> both places. >>>> >>>> Helen >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:19 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 >>>> >>>> >>>>> thanks, maybe I will get some help!!seens to be no deathcertificate, >>>>> even if it was after l910... >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:40 PM >>>>> Subject: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Classification: Query >>>>>> >>>>>> Message Board URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AN.2ADE/636.2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Message Board Post: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried finding an obituary. You can try to find someone to >>>>>> volunteer a lookup in the county your ancestor died or requesting a >>>>>> lookup at the Historical Society of Missouri here: >>>>>> http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The research request page is here: >>>>>> http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/researchrequests.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >>>>>> NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, >>>>>> political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal >>>>>> messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and >>>>>> will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact >>>>>> Kathleen Burnett [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================== >>>>>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in >>>>>> the >>>>>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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I may have you beat... I have a double Smith also...And a JONES. You won't believe it, but I am "stuck" on John S. Jones. Have fun all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "2Skunks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 > Helen, > > You have GOT to be kidding me! I also have a double Smith situation. > Jonathon Nickles Smith (PA) who married Mary Josephine Kneedy (IL) and they > had a daughter, Ella Janetta Smith (Iowa). Ella Janetta married a man named > Ernest Geraldine Bruce (Iowa) in which THEY had a daughter Mabel Bruce > (Iowa) who married Luther Allen Smith (MO). This Luther's father, is the > John W. Smith (OH) of which I was looking for mentioned below. Yes, it is > crazy. Those Smith's make me crazy. > > Family lore has it the Mary Kneedy was disinherited by her Pennsylvania > Dutch parents for running away with Jonathon Nickles Smith and so, yep - you > guessed it, never saw their families again. > > And further, that John W. Smith must have a very shady background as he told > his children some cockamamie story about how he came from Ireland as a > little boy with his family after his father (name unknown) was murdered due > to the father being a member of the Parliament (a supposed political > killing). John W. Smith claimed they changed their last name TO Smith when > they signed in on the boat. Now I realize that in Ireland the last name > McGowan has often translated into the name Smith in the U.S.A. But census > records say he was born in Ohio and both parents were born in "America". > I'm like, OK - big deal and not helpful. John W. Smith's last child (out of > 4-all born in Missouri) was born after they started keeping birth records > and it also says John W. Smith was born in Ohio. So, I am going with Ohio. > My grandmother, Mabel Bruce (who married John W's son Luther) could not > remember John's mother's name but believed she had settled in Sedalia, MO. > > Seems there was a teenage murder by one of the Bruce boys but the extended > families from Iowa refuse to talk about it. Have no idea what went wrong > there.......just confusion all over the place. > > These families all cut each other off from communication...so true stories > got passed along and they didn't even get together so grandkids could meet > their grandparents. We do have quick and determined tempers - I'll say > that. > > One time I went 10 years without talking to my parents. We're a pretty hot > headed bunch and we claim the market on dysfunctional! Ernest Bruce and > John W. both ran away from home in their teens so neither one of them had > good father examples to learn from. Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn. > > I'd like to thank both of you ladies for listening to my story. Hope you > can follow it alright. Nuts, nuts, nuts. > > Minta Rumsey > Scranton, KS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loretta Eichmann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 > > > > How about Robert Smith that is my father and I think his grandfather was > > Robert Ernest Smith . Have hit a big brick wall in looking for them . My > > father I know where is buried at but Fl. does not have his birth as they > > just started recording the births in 1917 . Must have started after Feb > > in 1917 . Smith are so much fun and mine is a double Smith as my mother > > who was a ( MO ) Smith married a Smith forn in Fl. to a MO. Father and > > new york mother . Lots to look for > > > > Loretta > > On Oct 12, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Helen Rehm wrote: > > > >> Hi Minta. > >> > >> John W. Smith???? I think you made that name up!!! Just kidding. > >> I'll bet that would be a nightmare to look up a John Smith. But, you > >> know what? You pay plenty for those death cert. so the least they can do > >> is look for it. I really didn't need the one I sent for as I was lucky > >> enough to find an obituary in a little newspaper in the town where this > >> person lived. > >> > >> Take care. > >> > >> Helen > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "2Skunks" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:51 PM > >> Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 > >> > >> > >>> Helen, > >>> > >>> That same thing happened to me several years ago! That woman must still > >>> work there! I tried again and finally got the death certificate I was > >>> seeking! The hard part was finding John W. Smith, my great grandfather. > >>> There are soooo many Smiths that I think she just did not want to mess > >>> with it, like you said. Maybe you should try it again, and perhaps she > >>> will be in a better mood the next time. > >>> > >>> Minta J. Rumsey > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Rehm" <[email protected]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:52 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 > >>> > >>> > >>>> Sue. I sent to Jefferson City for a death certificate for someone that > >>>> died in 1920, and they said there wasn't one. So I called them and > >>>> they told me that even though the Dr. was suppose to fill one out, > >>>> some Doctor's still didn't do it. I was going to send in for it > >>>> again, thinking whoever had looked the first time didn't want to mess > >>>> with it, and the lady said I would just be wasting my money. Hope you > >>>> find what you are looking for. What about a church or funeral home, if > >>>> you know any of these details. I have gotten some good records from > >>>> both places. > >>>> > >>>> Helen > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue" <[email protected]> > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:19 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> thanks, maybe I will get some help!!seens to be no deathcertificate, > >>>>> even if it was after l910... > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > >>>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:40 PM > >>>>> Subject: [MO-CEM] Re: Need death information prior to 1910 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Classification: Query > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Message Board URL: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AN.2ADE/636.2 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Message Board Post: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Have you tried finding an obituary. You can try to find someone to > >>>>>> volunteer a lookup in the county your ancestor died or requesting a > >>>>>> lookup at the Historical Society of Missouri here: > >>>>>> http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The research request page is here: > >>>>>> http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/researchrequests.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > >>>>>> NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > >>>>>> political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > >>>>>> messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and > >>>>>> will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact > >>>>>> Kathleen Burnett [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ============================== > >>>>>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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