That is horrible. I'd want to lynch the jokers too. It seems that nothing is sared anymore for some people. My family and I had went to a cem. at Saginaw, Mo. and someone had spray painted 666, Satan is Lord, and Satanic symbols on some of the tombstones. It was spooky. You could just feel the evil. Needless to say we never went back. It just made me sick. Fred "B. Warner" wrote: > Fred, > > You want to talk about outrage. We had quite a bit of damage done to a > little country cemetery not far from where I live because a group of young > hoodlums (to put it politely) thought it would be cool to race their > four-wheel drive pick-up trucks through the cemetery to see how many stones > they could knock over. Fortunately, they caught them and they were > punished, however, the damage done to the cemetery was irreparable. Some of > the old stones could be repaired, but many were damaged beyond repair. They > could be replaced with new stones, but that's just not the same as having > the old original stones which were lovingly selected and purchased by their > loved ones who are gone now themselves. Everyone who had family buried > there was just sick, not to mention furious enough to form a lynch mob. > It's scarey to think that there are people walking the streets today who > have so little respect that they would do such a thing, isn't it? > > B. Warner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred D. Edens" <fredee66@jscomm.net> > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 5:00 PM > Subject: [MO-CEM] Cemeteries in disrepair > > > Hi! > > > > I have a question. Why do these people destroy our cemeteries? It is > > stupid. I know most of it is young people on drugs or drinking. But > > when I was sowing my wild oats we never even thought of trashing a > > cemeterie. It makes me outraged. Maybe if we can get our cemeteries > > cleaned up maybe these jokers would be afraid of being seen in them and > > stay out if they're up to no good. > > I was at a cemeterie in Newton Co. one time getting data and this lady > > probably in her 40's was driving a big caddy. Well she was backing up > > and backed into a big tombstone and knocked it over. She gets out and > > looks at the damage then looks to see if anyone seen her. Well she seen > > me and took off like a bat out of China. But By George I chased her down > > and got her licence plate number and turned her in. Her insurance had to > > pay to get a new tombstone and she had to pay a fine. The police waited > > a few days to see if she turned it in but she didn't. > > > > Anyone can ask my children, they got in Dutch for walking on the flat > > tombstones. > > > > > > Fred D. Edens > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Missouri Cemetery > list, use > > MO-CEMETERIES-l-request@rootsweb.com or > MO-CEMETERIES-d-request@rootsweb.com if > > you are on the Digest list. > > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists > http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/

Anybody want to join me in seeing how long we can make these quoted sections? Oh, and to make it cemetery relevant, I agree with these comments :-) Mike Flannigan > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:10:27 -0600 > From: "June Kline" <kcjk@marktwain.net> > To: MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Ral thanks for return message. Know rules are different in all places. > Think In Iowa the County is responsible. But I agree that All graves should > be kept up and not lost in time. June > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RAL <RLash@worldnet.att.net> > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:38 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > > > JUNE: > > > > I should have added a little moreto my last email. > > > > The person in charge of the cemetery has to request a work party of > prisoners > > it is not aotomatic. But that would be a good idea. That's why I mentioned > the courts, th Judge > > could sentence someone to 30, 60 or what ever of cemetery clean up. > > > > later ral > > > > June Kline wrote: > > > > > Ral - must not be the same all over Oregon. Last summer we were in > Medford > > > and there is a cemetery there by a highly traveled road that looks > terrible. > > > I asked about it and was told NO ONE wanted to claim it. Maybe you can > > > report it to police. There are several stones in the cemetery and will > soon > > > be gone if something is not done. Had brush and sticks and weeds all > over. > > > Thanks. June > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: RAL <RLash@worldnet.att.net> > > > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 7:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > Listers: > > > > > > > > Has any one thought of contacting the police or local Sheriff??? > > > > > > > > Here in Portland Oregon the prisons go on work details to the Pioneer > > > Cemeteries > > > > every so often and do clean up. Also what about the Courts?? > > > > > > > > People are sentenced to so much community service for certain crimes. > > > > > > > > Hope this might help. > > > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > > > > > Kathleen O'Brien-Blair wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, good thought, though, if there were a church I'd be inclined > to > > > try to > > > > > save and restore it. You can always rent it out for weddings and > make a > > > > > little money to help restore and maintain the graveyard.... > > > > > > > > > > Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Howard Gadberry <gadberry@sound.net> > > > > > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 2:20 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn and List Members--- > > > > > > Don't despair! Abandoned cemeteries can be restored! > > > > > > > > > > > > I recently visited the Harmony Cemetery six miles east of Miami > MO. > > > > > > This small cemetery formerly sat beside a Presbyterian church of > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > name. In the "History of Saline County, Missouri" (page 39) the > > > > > > abandoned > > > > > > cemetery is described as "In bad condition, overgrown with brush > and > > > > > > weeds > > > > > > - hard to get into. The church building is also in bad condition. > > > Most > > > > > > stones > > > > > > are in good state, and can be read." > > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine my surprise to find the cemetery neat and clean as if new! > > > There > > > > > > was > > > > > > a new Metal sign reading "Harmony Cemetery - Established 1878" > > > > > > The church building had been removed leaving no trace. New trees > had > > > > > > been > > > > > > planted, and stone benches installed at the corners. It took a lot > of > > > > > > effort and > > > > > > time to restore that place. > > > > > > > > > > > > But the stingiest thing is -- I can not find out who was > responsible > > > for > > > > > > the great > > > > > > job of cleanup. Was it the County? Or the Saline Historical > Society? > > > > > > Or some > > > > > > church from Slater, Miami, or Marshall? I would like to learn who > did > > > > > > this job, > > > > > > and how they were able to organize the work that obviously was > > > required. > > > > > > We could learn from them how to clean up other abandoned > cemeteries. > > > > > > Does anyone out there happen to know about this cleanup? > > > > > > Howard Gadberry > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "mfwebber" <mfwebber@email.msn.com> > > > > > > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 12:53 PM > > > > > > Subject: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > I have tried to recruit family members from MO & KS who I > know > > > > > > are > > > > > > > descendants of a family cemetery in Putnam Co. MO. I have > > > received > > > > > > some > > > > > > > interest in cleaning and repairing the cemetery and also many > many > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > on how to do it. The cemetery is located on private property by > a > > > > > > fellow > > > > > > > who no longer lives in the state. The cemetery is almost > totally > > > > > > unknown by > > > > > > > people who now live in the county. It is overgrown and totally > > > hidden > > > > > > and > > > > > > > contains a Civil War soldier who was my great great grandfather, > my > > > > > > > gggrandmother, several of their children and grandchildren. I > have > > > > > > heard or > > > > > > > tried the following things and would like some feedback if any > one > > > > > > else has > > > > > > > run into these issues or knows answers to them: > > > > > > > I have been told: 1).Once a cemetery is cleaned, sometimes > Civil > > > war > > > > > > > tombstones are stolen and placed on the market for sale. They > are > > > > > > hard to > > > > > > > trace unless close up photos are taken and other photos to prove > > > where > > > > > > the > > > > > > > stones came from. This is especially true if the site is > remote. > > > 2). > > > > > > > There are Civil War groups that are interested in helping > identify > > > and > > > > > > clean > > > > > > > cemeteries where former soldiers are buried and they keep the > > > > > > information > > > > > > > regarding these old sites relatively private to avoid > desecration. > > > > > > 3). > > > > > > > That the land owner can refuse to let repair take place. ( I > plan on > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > copies of the MO laws). > > > > > > > I have tried: 1) I called the KC area Veterans Administration > to > > > > > > find out > > > > > > > if there was any group that helped with this type of issue. > They > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > know. 2) I spoke with the tombstone company in the county and > was > > > > > > told > > > > > > > they really didn't now how to repair old stones. They had no > list > > > of > > > > > > local > > > > > > > groups that could help. They suggested I hire local jobless > workers > > > > > > clean > > > > > > > the site. > > > > > > > Any ideas or comments would be appreciated. I would really like > to > > > > > > clean > > > > > > > and repair my ancestors family cemetery. 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Contact your state senator or representative and lets insure that this becomes a first class fellony and that a minimum sentence is assigned to convictions. This should apply to juveniles as well as adults. In the mean time a letter to your sheriff with many signatures asking for nightly drivebys and community alert meetings is a start. In MO, encourage your sheriff to understand that concerned citizens will watch his/her efforts and remember the response at the next election. ----- Original Message ----- From: B. Warner To: MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Cemeteries in disrepair Fred, You want to talk about outrage. We had quite a bit of damage done to a little country cemetery not far from where I live because a group of young hoodlums (to put it politely) thought it would be cool to race their four-wheel drive pick-up trucks through the cemetery to see how many stones they could knock over. Fortunately, they caught them and they were punished, however, the damage done to the cemetery was irreparable. Some of the old stones could be repaired, but many were damaged beyond repair. They could be replaced with new stones, but that's just not the same as having the old original stones which were lovingly selected and purchased by their loved ones who are gone now themselves. Everyone who had family buried there was just sick, not to mention furious enough to form a lynch mob. It's scarey to think that there are people walking the streets today who have so little respect that they would do such a thing, isn't it? B. Warner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred D. Edens" <fredee66@jscomm.net> To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 5:00 PM Subject: [MO-CEM] Cemeteries in disrepair > Hi! > > I have a question. Why do these people destroy our cemeteries? It is > stupid. I know most of it is young people on drugs or drinking. But > when I was sowing my wild oats we never even thought of trashing a > cemeterie. It makes me outraged. Maybe if we can get our cemeteries > cleaned up maybe these jokers would be afraid of being seen in them and > stay out if they're up to no good. > I was at a cemeterie in Newton Co. one time getting data and this lady > probably in her 40's was driving a big caddy. Well she was backing up > and backed into a big tombstone and knocked it over. She gets out and > looks at the damage then looks to see if anyone seen her. Well she seen > me and took off like a bat out of China. But By George I chased her down > and got her licence plate number and turned her in. Her insurance had to > pay to get a new tombstone and she had to pay a fine. The police waited > a few days to see if she turned it in but she didn't. > > Anyone can ask my children, they got in Dutch for walking on the flat > tombstones. > > > Fred D. Edens > > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Missouri Cemetery list, use > MO-CEMETERIES-l-request@rootsweb.com or MO-CEMETERIES-d-request@rootsweb.com if > you are on the Digest list. > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm ============================== 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/

Lets remember it wasthe size of thier mail box,not the subject matter that caused them to bow out,Ican understand that,and they`ll probably be back when things getback to normal, we all hopeso any way, --- Linda Simmons <genfreak@jps.net> wrote: > I've been thinking the very same thing myself. As > far as I'm concerned let > them unsubscribe. And if they can't figure out how > to do it correctly - too > bad! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Cintrfire810@cs.com> > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] cleaning up cemeteries - > people unsubscribing > > > > Could it be that all the unsubscribers want are > names but no involvement > or > > effort to help preserve the source of a lot of > these names? > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > List problems? Contact the MO-Cemeteries List Mom > <kburnet@efortress.com> > Use Kathleen as the subject line for your post > To learn more about my world visit > http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists > http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Fred, You want to talk about outrage. We had quite a bit of damage done to a little country cemetery not far from where I live because a group of young hoodlums (to put it politely) thought it would be cool to race their four-wheel drive pick-up trucks through the cemetery to see how many stones they could knock over. Fortunately, they caught them and they were punished, however, the damage done to the cemetery was irreparable. Some of the old stones could be repaired, but many were damaged beyond repair. They could be replaced with new stones, but that's just not the same as having the old original stones which were lovingly selected and purchased by their loved ones who are gone now themselves. Everyone who had family buried there was just sick, not to mention furious enough to form a lynch mob. It's scarey to think that there are people walking the streets today who have so little respect that they would do such a thing, isn't it? B. Warner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred D. Edens" <fredee66@jscomm.net> To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 5:00 PM Subject: [MO-CEM] Cemeteries in disrepair > Hi! > > I have a question. Why do these people destroy our cemeteries? It is > stupid. I know most of it is young people on drugs or drinking. But > when I was sowing my wild oats we never even thought of trashing a > cemeterie. It makes me outraged. Maybe if we can get our cemeteries > cleaned up maybe these jokers would be afraid of being seen in them and > stay out if they're up to no good. > I was at a cemeterie in Newton Co. one time getting data and this lady > probably in her 40's was driving a big caddy. Well she was backing up > and backed into a big tombstone and knocked it over. She gets out and > looks at the damage then looks to see if anyone seen her. Well she seen > me and took off like a bat out of China. But By George I chased her down > and got her licence plate number and turned her in. Her insurance had to > pay to get a new tombstone and she had to pay a fine. The police waited > a few days to see if she turned it in but she didn't. > > Anyone can ask my children, they got in Dutch for walking on the flat > tombstones. > > > Fred D. Edens > > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Missouri Cemetery list, use > MO-CEMETERIES-l-request@rootsweb.com or MO-CEMETERIES-d-request@rootsweb.com if > you are on the Digest list. > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Peggy: East Central Kansas with interest in Putnam county cemeteries.

I've been thinking the very same thing myself. As far as I'm concerned let them unsubscribe. And if they can't figure out how to do it correctly - too bad! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cintrfire810@cs.com> To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] cleaning up cemeteries - people unsubscribing > Could it be that all the unsubscribers want are names but no involvement or > effort to help preserve the source of a lot of these names? > > ______________________________

Sorry that I am so far away to help. I wish I were there. I live in PA. Charles

You can do the same thing with your list. Start a cemetery list for your state. ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen Patt To: MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: [MO-CEM] Comments On Recent Topics Hi Everyone, I have to say that I wish I lived in Missouri just so I could join you all in the projects you have been discussing. What a great idea. Unfortunately, Rhode Island is a far piece. Kathleen O'Brien-Blair wrote: BTW, my husband and I are also metal detectorists. I want to stress that we *NEVER EVER* detect cemeteries. That is Holy Ground as far as we are concerned, and treating it disrespectuflly is inviitng very bad Karma...Noooo.... Kathleen, I don't quite understand your not using your abilities to locate cemeteries. Metal pieces, even just nails can be used to find lost burial grounds. You say you do use your metal detectors on churches so I don't see why you wouldn't use them to find cemeteries. Just my own curiosity going here. Keep the good ideas flowing. I really think you guys have hit on something really important here. Maureen in RI ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== List problems? Contact the MO-Cemeteries List Mom <kburnet@efortress.com> Use Kathleen as the subject line for your post To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm ============================== Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! http://searches.rootsweb.com/

Hi! I have a question. Why do these people destroy our cemeteries? It is stupid. I know most of it is young people on drugs or drinking. But when I was sowing my wild oats we never even thought of trashing a cemeterie. It makes me outraged. Maybe if we can get our cemeteries cleaned up maybe these jokers would be afraid of being seen in them and stay out if they're up to no good. I was at a cemeterie in Newton Co. one time getting data and this lady probably in her 40's was driving a big caddy. Well she was backing up and backed into a big tombstone and knocked it over. She gets out and looks at the damage then looks to see if anyone seen her. Well she seen me and took off like a bat out of China. But By George I chased her down and got her licence plate number and turned her in. Her insurance had to pay to get a new tombstone and she had to pay a fine. The police waited a few days to see if she turned it in but she didn't. Anyone can ask my children, they got in Dutch for walking on the flat tombstones. Fred D. Edens

Please , take me off all mailing lists , Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen O'Brien-Blair" <ktho@kc.rr.com> To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] url for Ritchey MO pictures of church, cem next too it. > http://www.vvm.com/~ritterh/ > Okay, I get it, the cemtery is to the left of the church.... > > Yeah, that green page is hard to see... > > Kathleen > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ >

Hello, This is Fred. If anyone wants to know I'm in Newton Co., Granby, Mo. Thank you. Fred D. Edens C Jacot wrote: > Carol Ohio > --- Renessa Lewis <GenMom@cableone.net> wrote: > > Here's where everyone is from so far... If you > > haven't said yet, please do! > > > > Gladys - Arizona > > Kathleen - SE Kansas City > > Renessa - Joplin > > Victoria - Joplin > > Bill - Duncan, OK > > Becky - Springfield > > Fred - Newton Co. > > Judith - Oregon > > Robin - Portland, Oregon > > Mary - Mercer Co. > > Kathie - California > > > > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your > > List Mom; > > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > > To learn more about my world visit > > http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > > > ============================== > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Missouri Cemetery list, use > MO-CEMETERIES-l-request@rootsweb.com or MO-CEMETERIES-d-request@rootsweb.com if > you are on the Digest list. > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Most cemeteries around here now lock the vehicle entrance gate and have a walk through gate unlocked at all times. Makes it inconvenient, but better than the type of vandalism you described. One down the road from us (right off a heavily traveled major highway) had their Historical Marker deliberately knocked over by a vehicle. It was mounted on a strong pipe. They also have placed a concrete barrier in front of it now. Janet Crain Lampasas, TX Burnet County ----- Original Message ----- From: "norma ortiz" <notiz_1999@yahoo.com> To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: [MO-CEM] While a natural fence is nice it > not only hides the cemetery,it also hides the > vandals,clean it upso passer bys can see itand want to > dothesame for other sites,around here it has been a > fad for vandals to use thier cars to push over > headstones.leave it open and let your lite shine.after > all your hard work your`re goingto watch it like a > hawk,if anyone vandalizes it then you could use > donation for a reward for the culprits....Norma > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > List problems? Contact the MO-Cemeteries List Mom <kburnet@efortress.com> > Use Kathleen as the subject line for your post > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

I think that scrubs make a beautiful hedge but they also hid people on the other side that are vandals that get their kicks by destroying stones and grave yards by driving through them. If it is open to the public then they MIGHT think twice before doing something to it afraid of being seen. This is just my opinion of course. And as for as fences, any that can go up can always be torn down. Cathy

True Elaine many graves are lost because the only marker was a rock.and it was tossed over the fence. June ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Branham <ewbranham@carolina.rr.com> To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Field stones > > When we cleaned our old family cemetery in Laclede Co., we cautioned > > everyone to not disturb field rocks or bricks. If people are familiar > with > > old cemeteries, they quite often think everything but the tombstone should > > be removed. Not so! > > Several years ago we were in a Bartow Co, GA cemetery, a virtual > jungle, when I glanced at a field stone just as the sun was at the right > angle to cast a shadow and reveal a simple name and date on a stone not much > larger than a brick. It lasted only a very short time... but I stood there > in awe of the captured moment. > > Elaine > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Missouri Cemetery list, use > MO-CEMETERIES-l-request@rootsweb.com or MO-CEMETERIES-d-request@rootsweb.com if > you are on the Digest list. > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Hi Everyone, I have to say that I wish I lived in Missouri just so I could join you all in the projects you have been discussing. What a great idea. Unfortunately, Rhode Island is a far piece. Kathleen O'Brien-Blair wrote: BTW, my husband and I are also metal detectorists. I want to stress that we *NEVER EVER* detect cemeteries. That is Holy Ground as far as we are concerned, and treating it disrespectuflly is inviitng very bad Karma...Noooo.... Kathleen, I don't quite understand your not using your abilities to locate cemeteries. Metal pieces, even just nails can be used to find lost burial grounds. You say you do use your metal detectors on churches so I don't see why you wouldn't use them to find cemeteries. Just my own curiosity going here. Keep the good ideas flowing. I really think you guys have hit on something really important here. Maureen in RI

Ral thanks for return message. Know rules are different in all places. Think In Iowa the County is responsible. But I agree that All graves should be kept up and not lost in time. June ----- Original Message ----- From: RAL <RLash@worldnet.att.net> To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > JUNE: > > I should have added a little moreto my last email. > > The person in charge of the cemetery has to request a work party of prisoners > it is not aotomatic. But that would be a good idea. That's why I mentioned the courts, th Judge > could sentence someone to 30, 60 or what ever of cemetery clean up. > > later ral > > June Kline wrote: > > > Ral - must not be the same all over Oregon. Last summer we were in Medford > > and there is a cemetery there by a highly traveled road that looks terrible. > > I asked about it and was told NO ONE wanted to claim it. Maybe you can > > report it to police. There are several stones in the cemetery and will soon > > be gone if something is not done. Had brush and sticks and weeds all over. > > Thanks. June > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: RAL <RLash@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 7:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > Listers: > > > > > > Has any one thought of contacting the police or local Sheriff??? > > > > > > Here in Portland Oregon the prisons go on work details to the Pioneer > > Cemeteries > > > every so often and do clean up. Also what about the Courts?? > > > > > > People are sentenced to so much community service for certain crimes. > > > > > > Hope this might help. > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > > Kathleen O'Brien-Blair wrote: > > > > > > > Hmmm, good thought, though, if there were a church I'd be inclined to > > try to > > > > save and restore it. You can always rent it out for weddings and make a > > > > little money to help restore and maintain the graveyard.... > > > > > > > > Kathleen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Howard Gadberry <gadberry@sound.net> > > > > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 2:20 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > > > > > > > > > Marilyn and List Members--- > > > > > Don't despair! Abandoned cemeteries can be restored! > > > > > > > > > > I recently visited the Harmony Cemetery six miles east of Miami MO. > > > > > This small cemetery formerly sat beside a Presbyterian church of the > > > > > same > > > > > name. In the "History of Saline County, Missouri" (page 39) the > > > > > abandoned > > > > > cemetery is described as "In bad condition, overgrown with brush and > > > > > weeds > > > > > - hard to get into. The church building is also in bad condition. > > Most > > > > > stones > > > > > are in good state, and can be read." > > > > > > > > > > Imagine my surprise to find the cemetery neat and clean as if new! > > There > > > > > was > > > > > a new Metal sign reading "Harmony Cemetery - Established 1878" > > > > > The church building had been removed leaving no trace. New trees had > > > > > been > > > > > planted, and stone benches installed at the corners. It took a lot of > > > > > effort and > > > > > time to restore that place. > > > > > > > > > > But the stingiest thing is -- I can not find out who was responsible > > for > > > > > the great > > > > > job of cleanup. Was it the County? Or the Saline Historical Society? > > > > > Or some > > > > > church from Slater, Miami, or Marshall? I would like to learn who did > > > > > this job, > > > > > and how they were able to organize the work that obviously was > > required. > > > > > We could learn from them how to clean up other abandoned cemeteries. > > > > > Does anyone out there happen to know about this cleanup? > > > > > Howard Gadberry > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "mfwebber" <mfwebber@email.msn.com> > > > > > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 12:53 PM > > > > > Subject: [MO-CEM] Re: Cemetery disrepair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > I have tried to recruit family members from MO & KS who I know > > > > > are > > > > > > descendants of a family cemetery in Putnam Co. MO. I have > > received > > > > > some > > > > > > interest in cleaning and repairing the cemetery and also many many > > > > > questions > > > > > > on how to do it. The cemetery is located on private property by a > > > > > fellow > > > > > > who no longer lives in the state. The cemetery is almost totally > > > > > unknown by > > > > > > people who now live in the county. It is overgrown and totally > > hidden > > > > > and > > > > > > contains a Civil War soldier who was my great great grandfather, my > > > > > > gggrandmother, several of their children and grandchildren. I have > > > > > heard or > > > > > > tried the following things and would like some feedback if any one > > > > > else has > > > > > > run into these issues or knows answers to them: > > > > > > I have been told: 1).Once a cemetery is cleaned, sometimes Civil > > war > > > > > > tombstones are stolen and placed on the market for sale. They are > > > > > hard to > > > > > > trace unless close up photos are taken and other photos to prove > > where > > > > > the > > > > > > stones came from. This is especially true if the site is remote. > > 2). > > > > > > There are Civil War groups that are interested in helping identify > > and > > > > > clean > > > > > > cemeteries where former soldiers are buried and they keep the > > > > > information > > > > > > regarding these old sites relatively private to avoid desecration. > > > > > 3). > > > > > > That the land owner can refuse to let repair take place. ( I plan on > > > > > getting > > > > > > copies of the MO laws). > > > > > > I have tried: 1) I called the KC area Veterans Administration to > > > > > find out > > > > > > if there was any group that helped with this type of issue. They > > > > > didn't > > > > > > know. 2) I spoke with the tombstone company in the county and was > > > > > told > > > > > > they really didn't now how to repair old stones. They had no list > > of > > > > > local > > > > > > groups that could help. They suggested I hire local jobless workers > > > > > clean > > > > > > the site. > > > > > > Any ideas or comments would be appreciated. I would really like to > > > > > clean > > > > > > and repair my ancestors family cemetery. 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I AGREE WITH THE MANY OTHERS. too much ado about Cleaning up of Cem. Just do like my family has done for Generations. If you don't have some one else-- do it yourself. My parents and grandfather cleaned our cemetery with reap hooks on their hands and knees, and trimmed round stones with scissors. The job passed down thru the generations. We later obtained push mowers and later riders and a trimmer. I have done my share as well as my husband and our two sons. We have 7 generations on my Mother's side buried in this Cem that is somewhere between 2 and 3 acres in size. It is One of the oldest cemeteries in County, has many burials, some have stones some do not ,but we cleaned it all.. My people came from Germany and were hard working people and did not give it a thought but that your ancestors graves need to be cleaned off. We have been able to obtain some help later that was placed in bonds and interest is used to clean. Also one of my relatives left part of her estate for upkeep of Church and Cemetery. We can now hire it done as people DO NOT want to work for nothing anymore. I also have a private cemetery that has some of my father's people buried there and no one to clean. All you have to do is write a check and someone will do it and I did. I will continue to do Look up's for Knox, Adair, & Scotland Co. Cem. if others are interested, but most of my 125 messages today was about someone to clean cemeteries and not about lookups. Respectfully submitted by June Dye Kline.

I guess I failed to mention that they also took out the fence with thier cars on thierway in.Norma --- JECrain <gmxwater@n-link.com> wrote: > Most cemeteries around here now lock the vehicle > entrance gate and have a > walk through gate unlocked at all times. Makes it > inconvenient, but better > than the type of vandalism you described. One down > the road from us (right > off a heavily traveled major highway) had their > Historical Marker > deliberately knocked over by a vehicle. It was > mounted on a strong pipe. > They also have placed a concrete barrier in front of > it now. > > Janet Crain > Lampasas, TX > Burnet County > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "norma ortiz" <notiz_1999@yahoo.com> > To: <MO-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: [MO-CEM] While a natural fence is nice it > > > > not only hides the cemetery,it also hides the > > vandals,clean it upso passer bys can see itand > want to > > dothesame for other sites,around here it has been > a > > fad for vandals to use thier cars to push over > > headstones.leave it open and let your lite > shine.after > > all your hard work your`re goingto watch it like a > > hawk,if anyone vandalizes it then you could use > > donation for a reward for the culprits....Norma > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > - only $35 > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > List problems? Contact the MO-Cemeteries List Mom > <kburnet@efortress.com> > > Use Kathleen as the subject line for your post > > To learn more about my world visit > http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the > Missouri Cemetery list, use > MO-CEMETERIES-l-request@rootsweb.com or > MO-CEMETERIES-d-request@rootsweb.com if > you are on the Digest list. > To learn more about my world visit > http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Vist the Mo-Cemeteries Volunteer and Cemetery List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocemete/mocem.htm > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

not only hides the cemetery,it also hides the vandals,clean it upso passer bys can see itand want to dothesame for other sites,around here it has been a fad for vandals to use thier cars to push over headstones.leave it open and let your lite shine.after all your hard work your`re goingto watch it like a hawk,if anyone vandalizes it then you could use donation for a reward for the culprits....Norma __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/