My information says Holy Ghost Cemetery == Old Pickers Cemetery. Picotte Cemetery is a new one on me. Mike [email protected] wrote: > Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] Re: St. Louis -Old/New Pickers aka: Gatewood Memorial Gardens > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:28:27 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > I do not think that Holy Ghost Cemetery was the early name for Picker's. My > information says that the early name was Picotte.

The name Picker's for the cemetery came from the name of one of the pastors at Holy Ghost Church, Frederick Picker, who served 1843-55. I am still not clear on the reasons for all the different names and when they were the official name. Perhaps the St. Louis Directories would clarify that question. I also do not know when the church relinquished the cemeteries and who the subsequent owners were until the city took over. Erven Thoma

Thanks for the additional info on these cemetery names. I will update my web page. It is certainly the most confusing cemetery situation in my genealogy. In that confusion it ranks above (below?) Marcus--Old and New--in St. Louis. I am still trying to find more information on Alexandria Cemetery in Lincoln County, MO, northeast of Troy. Latitude 39° 02' N, Longitude 90° 53' 23" W, between Cuivre River State Park and Bobs Creek, near Ridge Rd. Erven Thoma http://thoma.ws [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/631.2 Message Board Post: Becki, This Message Board also has a Mailing List gatewayed to it. Check the Mailing List Archives for answers from the Mailing List members, who answered on list instead of here. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/MO-CEMETERIES/2005-09/1126667998 Mailing List Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MO-CEMETERIES/2005-09 Orlena

Judy, Here is a posting by the: ST. LOUIS PUBLIC LIBRARY PREMIER LIBRARY SOURCES Picotte (also called Piggott, Old Picotte, Vickert, Old Picker, German Evangelical Cemetery; Arsenal between Louisiana and Compton; 1845-1898) Old Old Picker’s Cemetery (Kansas-Wyoming-Louisiana-Arsenal area of South St. Louis; area now home to Roosevelt High School.; Cholera Victims, 1845-1889; removed July 1916. Established 1845 by the Holy Ghost Evangelical & Reformed Church. Continued by New Picker’s Cemetery. Old Picker’s or Holy Ghost (1894-1901) Old Picker’s (7133 Gravois Rd.; originally Evangelical and Reformed, 1851-1893) (see Greenwood) Old Picotte see Old Picker’s New Picker Cemetery Replaced Old Picker’s, at 7133 Gravois Rd 6 miles from the court house, near the River Des Peres. It contains about 20 acres and belonged to the Independent Protestants. Became St. Louis Memorial Gardens, now Gatewood Gardens. New Picotte (Gravois Rd., offices 709 Soulard & 1334 S. 7th, same as New Picker) Gatewood Gardens Cemetery (formerly, St. Louis Memorial Gardens & New Picker) (Administered by St. Louis Development Corp.) Your questions relative to Holy Ghost Cemetery. Several years ago this was posted on one of the St. Louis Message lists. "Call Jason or Denise Phillips, Cemetery Coordinator, at the St. Louis Development Corporation at (314) 622-3400, ext. 244. Tell her the names of the deceased you are looking for in the cemetery. She will kindly send you a map of the cemetery, copies of the lot owner cards and a copy of the information from the original cemetery book. She is getting the cemetery fixed up with signs for the various sections and maintenance to keep it looking nice. "Jason at that office who apparently has taken over the management of these records. "While all of the graves at Holy Ghost Cemetery were moved to what is now Gatewood Gardens (after going through the "new" and "old" Picker's names), some of the records for "single" graves may not have survived. Whoever did the moving of graves took more care with maintaining family plot records than single grave plots. Denise Phillips St. Louis Development Corporation Suite 1200 1015 Locust Street St. Louis, MO 63101 Phone: (314) 622-3400, ext. 244 Fax: (314) 231-2341 and (314) 622-3413 There was a tombstone survey done in 1997, your Wilhelms Family is not listed. Not unusual since less than 60% of burials in any given cemetery aren't memorialized with a tombstone. And in the case of Pickers, I don't know if they survey party did both cemeteries on Gravois, the cemetery is on two different areas. Bill

I am trying to locate a grave of James Morgan Tolin. He is supposed to be buried in Highland Park Cemetery in Kansas City, MO. Could someone please tell me where the cemetery is located? Is this cemetery online to check and see where he is buried in the cemetery? Please email me at: [email protected] Calvin

I do not think that Holy Ghost Cemetery was the early name for Picker's. My information says that the early name was Picotte.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilhelms, Kohler, Boll, Platzer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/631.1 Message Board Post: The death record for my gggrandfather Frederick Wilhelm Wilhelms, who died on 18 Oct 1872 says that he was buried at Holy Ghost Cemetary. I believe that this is the original name for Old Pickers. I would love to know if there are records of who is buried there and the remote chance that there would be a tombstone there for Frederick Wilhelms or other members of the Wilhelms family. His wife was Susanna, but she didn't die until 1901after outliving two other husbands Wild and Maurer, so I don't know which she was buried with or even which name. Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: all Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/634 Message Board Post: I have cemetery directions for some States on my Website, by State and then County. If you have any directions to any cemetery and would like me to add it for you, please email me Sue Ann at [email protected] The link to my index page for this is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kyborn/cemeterydirections.html thank you for helping others

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Jones, Clark, Huff, Preston, Humes, Price, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/632.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Connie, I think this is not the same family, unfortunately. I want info on John Clark, and I can't find any. My John Clark was born in Vermont, supposedly, but I can't find any records of that, was married in 1820 to Nancy Marci Humes, I do have that marriage record, in Middlesex, VT. He was born supposedly in 1783 or about that time. I know he moved to Ohio, and lived in Ross County and had children there, then went to Indiana, where Nancy died, and maybe to IL. and went to Ross County, MO, and is buried there but I have no idea where. One of their son's Ambrose Clark went to Arkansas, that is the family I am from. Supposedly they had 8 children, but I only have down 6. Sue

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/632.1.2 Message Board Post: Thank you Orlena for all the information you replied with. Will send this to the rest of our Clark family. Just came through there about 3 weeks ago but at night time. My kids don't like looking for cemeteries and sense it was dark I didn't even ask to stop. Thanks again Connie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/632.2.1 Message Board Post: Sue. We about 30 Clark family members have been trying to find the parents of a GrGr Grandfather Abselom B. Clark that married Barbary Alfrey in Kentucy. Some thinks that maybe this Abselom and his wife maybe be them?? Connie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/633 Message Board Post: Looking for the burial site of my greatgrandfather, William J. Marriott, b. 1844 in KY d. 1892. Also two of his children Willie b. 1880 d. 1892 and Jinnie L b. 1881 d. 1892. The three of them died from Typhoid Fever. Lived in Versailles, MO.Thanking you in advance for your help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Clark, Jones, Huff, Price, Preston, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/632.2 Message Board Post: Connie, do you know if Absolem Clark was related to a John Clark (married to Nancy Marci Humes) that died about 1849 in Dade County MO?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/632.1.1 Message Board Post: Connie, I wasn't paying attention to which Board you were posting on. You might find additional help if you post on the Illinois Cemetery Board, or the Greene County Illinois Board. I think the MO Cemeteries Board and MO-CEMETERIES-L people do a great job answering queries about MO and the ones outside we sometimes get. http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.cemetery.us.il http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.greene ~~~~~~~~~~~ Orlena

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/632.1 Message Board Post: Connie, I know nothing about this cemetery. I was unable to find a map to this cemetery. I did find a transcription with the Clark's you were looking for. The cemetery is in Carrollton Township, but according to the description and this map it appears to be in the square marked 34 below the 1st R of CARROLLTON and above the Riv of Riverdale. I'm guessing in the SE corner of this square 34. Click on the thing in the bottom right corner of the map to enlarge it so you can almost read the Section numbers. http://www.rootsweb.com/%7eilgreene/Greene.jpg ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgreene/green.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmaga/greene/cemeteries/tunnell.htm Tunnell-Clark Cemetery -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Located in Carrollton Township, T10, R12, SE 1/4 of SE 1/4 Section 34, Greene County, Illinois. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NAME BORN DIED AGE Additional Inscription/Info. CLARK, Lydia Ann (Wallingford) 28 Oct 1859 Wife of Absolom Clark CLARK, Absolom 3 Nov 1857 71y 10m CLARK, Margaret Frances 11 Mar 1840 5y 1d Dau of A. & L.A. Clark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ More links: http://iltrails.org/greene/ http://www.linkpendium.com/genealogy/USA/IL/Greene/cem/ http://www.linkpendium.com/genealogy/USA/IL/Greene/ http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html ~~~~~~~~~~ Orlena

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AN.2ADE/632 Message Board Post: Looking for some one that knows about this cemetery. Looking for Absolem and wife Lydia Ann (Waalingford) Clark. He passed Nov. 11, 1857. Would like to know where this cemetery is. Thank you Connie [email protected]

look in the ks.star to day they are going to try and take a cem. over in ks.ks lack of care ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] OLD OLD Cemeteries > Community service projects, working with the general public and various > churches has kept us somewhat above water. > > The real concern is developers. > Visit our website at: _www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/dickson_ > (http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/dickson) . > > Without a perpetual care endowment, the cemetery fell victim to abuse, > neglect and vicious acts of vandalism. > > Ernest > > > ==== MO-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address [email protected] If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

http://www.topix.net/city/kansas-city-ks Tue, Sep. 20, 2005 - Kansas City Star Pages 1B & 3B Metropolitan Section_krdDartInc++;document.write('');if (typeof(krd_topix_property) != 'undefined') {document.write('var topixcats = new Array();');}var topixcats = new Array(); Reasons include overgrowth, trash Kline wants cemetery declared abandoned By DAWN BORMANN The Kansas City Star Attorney General Phill Kline asked Monday that the court declare a Kansas City, Kan., cemetery abandoned and transfer the 120-acre property from its owner to local government. Kline said the petition filed in Wyandotte County District Court is a matter of ghuman dignity.h He cited the cemeteryfs deteriorating condition as his reason to dissolve Memorial Park Cemetery Inc., owned by Medal of Honor recipient Don Ballard. gThere are gravesites that quite literally you canft find. The thatch and the grass clippings have overgrown the gravesite,h Kline said at the cemetery, where he announced the filing. The cemetery opened in 1924 near 18th Street and Kansas 5 and now has more than 12,000 gravesites. On Monday, the grass stood 3 feet high in some areas of the cemetery. Overgrown grass has nearly taken over military hill, where several veterans are buried. But itfs not the only problem, Kline said. Several ground-level gravemarkers are enveloped by thick vegetation and weeds. Trash and debris piles are located throughout the property. Roads needed significant repairs and several fresh burial sites could use more dirt, according to Klinefs petition. Kline acknowledged that the abandonment charge was severe, and one that wasnft taken lightly. However, he said gthe mismanagement of the cemetery is such a glaring nature as to justify the charge of outrageous, unethical, unconscionable and unscrupulous conduct.h Ballard, reached on his cell phone, declined to say where he lives in the metropolitan area, but called the accusations gvicious.h However, he didnft deny that he had been unable to keep up with the maintenance. gIfm terribly sorry and I feel really bad c but it will be corrected,h he said. Ballard, who plans to fight the petition, said three employees mow the grounds five days a week, but cannot keep up, and the struggling business canft afford another groundskeeper. The overgrown grass was especially bad Monday, he said, because a key mower had broken down weeks ago. Kline argued that the problems didnft happen overnight; his office began an investigation more than a year ago. Some consumers have been both disgusted and irate about the shabby cemetery for years. gThis is a grave! This is a grave!h shouted Debra Maloney, pointing to a sunken-in gravesite. She and others with loved ones buried there said they had tried to approach the owner and manager about the problems. In the end, Maloney and others have taken matters into their own hands. gWe bring lawn mowers. We bring weed eaters. We bring shovels. We bring rakes,h she said. Maloney and several others recently collected signatures and started a letter-writing campaign to Klinefs office. Their intent, they said, wasnft for the property to be taken away. Many said they simply wanted better upkeep. Jerri Athey cried as she ripped away thick vegetation creeping across her deceased daughterfs marker. gI just feel like Ifm having to bury her again every time I come here,h she said. She picked the plot for her 2-week old daughter in 1991 so the infant wouldnft be alone. Family members are buried nearby, but Athey says she now wishes that her daughter were alone in another cemetery. Ballard acknowledged sinking headstones at the cemetery. In many cases, he said, the monument company is responsible for those repairs. Cemetery Manager Reed A. Chambers II said family members must pay an extra $35 annually if they want the groundskeepers to trim weeds that are growing over an individual stone. gWhat we wonft do is dismount from the mower and pay individual attention to the headstone,h Chambers said. Ballard said he purchased the cemetery in 1996 and learned quickly that the extra fee is essential to offset costs associated with the specialized care at the sprawling cemetery. The cemetery, he said, has made several efforts to better maintain the grounds. He said he had given up his salary to divert more money into maintenance. Also, Ballard and Chambers argue that the corporation wanted to resurface the roads in 2002 by using money from its perpetual care fund. But the fund is controlled by the secretary of state and the request was denied, Chambers said. Now Chambers said Kline is penalizing the cemetery for problems it tried to correct. gWefre caught between two agencies,h he said. Kline must prove that the owners have failed to take action during the past year. Ballard believes that will be difficult, given that his cemetery is actively burying persons. If Kline is successful, state law mandates that the Unified Government of Wyandotte County and Kansas City, Kan. take over the cemetery. Lawrence recently took over a cemetery when a judge declared it abandoned. The Unified Government manages 11 cemeteries already and Memorial Park would be the largest, said Unified Government spokesman Don Denney. He added that the local government will prepare for the possibility. The cemetery would likely require significant funds to bring it to an acceptable condition. gIt will be a tremendous expense. I canft even estimate right now what the price might be,h Denney said. gThis is one of those unfunded mandates by law.h However, Ballard doesnft intend to give up that easily. gPhill Kline wants to take it and put the burden of this expense onto taxpayers. Wyandotte County canft afford to pay for it,h he said. --------------------------------- First glance ¡ Attorney General Phill Kline is seeking to have a 120-acre cemetery declared abandoned and turned over to the Unified Government of Wyandotte County and Kansas City, Kan. __________________________________________________ Orlena [email protected] wrote: look in the ks.star to day they are going to try and take a cem. over in ks.ks lack of care ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CEM] OLD OLD Cemeteries > Community service projects, working with the general public and various > churches has kept us somewhat above water. > > The real concern is developers. > Visit our website at: _www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/dickson_ > (http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/dickson) . > > Without a perpetual care endowment, the cemetery fell victim to abuse, > neglect and vicious acts of vandalism. > > Ernest

Hi, The book "Known Burials in Harrison Co." published by the Harrison Co Genealogical Society lists Lee's in the following cemeteries, Jones Chapel, Lloyd, Masonic, Mount Zion, Rose Hill and Springer Chapel. Contact the Society, I'm sure they can help you. Paul