Hi I am currently researching the Moore family. I have information that a Margaret Moore married an Albert Monroe, in or around the Duluth area. They had a son Laurence Monroe who was a lawyer, maybe in the Proctor area. Would like to contact any decendants from this family to trade information. thank you Pat A wee bit of sun A wee bit of cheer A guardian angel always near. Someone to love Some work to do. These things I wish for you! *smile* Pat

Thanks but there wasn't much to the discussion. The family member and I were referring to relatives in northern Wisconsin and Upper Michigan. Kim Marilyn Deloach Elliott wrote: > Kim...i just want to jump in here...i think i have missed some of the > discussion. may i ask what part of the country you are talking about with > the Scots and possible indian connection? my family is from TN, NC, KY, VA > and i discovered people referred to as Melungeons. most stories are that > some ancestors were indian but there was no proof of that. they have the > characteristics you mentions...high cheek bones...dark eyes...olive > complections... the subject of Melungeons is rather complicated but very > interesting. if you search the word on the net you will find lots of info. > just a suggestion. > marilyn deloach elliott > duluth mn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Pollard" <merick@cableone.net> > To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: [MNSTLOUI] Re: mixed marriages > > > That same topic came into a family conversation just the other day. The > high > > cheek bones, the dark eyes, and dark hair. There is a family trait that > almost > > looks more towards the "Oriental" > > features minus the eyes. The eyes are more "cat like" in shape. The > thing with > > that is to my knowledge so far I have only found one story of a possible > indian > > marriage and that isn't even in our line! It makes one wonder.... > > > > Kim > > > > Kathie Donahue wrote: > > > > > Regarding the possibility of mixed blood Scots and Indian, > > > > -- > > http://www.cableone.net/jamez/family.htm > > > > Check out some of the other websites I'm running. > > > > http://drew-ms.netfirms.com/ > > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/beautiful/877/ > > or > > http://nav.to/Merick > > > > -- http://www.cableone.net/jamez/family.htm Check out some of the other websites I'm running. http://drew-ms.netfirms.com/ http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/beautiful/877/ or http://nav.to/Merick

I concur - this should be a MUST on your stop list! Also, there is Grandview Memorial Gardens next to the Airway Inn, across from the Airport in Hibbing and many smaller and forgotten cemeteries around the area. Happy Hunting! Mary DRychlak@aol.com wrote: > Ironworld is located in Chisholm, and their Iron Range Research Center is > absolutely great!!! It would certainly be a shame to miss it. > > Best of luck in your research, > Deb.

Dear List, Does anyone have information on a William CARR, who died 11 December 1911 according to the St Louis County Death Index. Al Dawson, Berea, Ohio - MA, History, UNC-Chapel Hill, 1973. RootswebConnect link to my homepage: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=aldawson Surnames include ("Mary and John" passengers) GRANT, GILLETT, WOLCOTT, PHELPS, GRISWOLD, HOLCOMBE, FORD, COOK, CHARD ("Mayflower") FRANCIS COOKE, STEPHEN HOPKINS, JOHN ALDEN PRISCILLA MULLINS, THOMAS ROGERS and WILLIAM BRADFORD Al is a daily pilgrim to http://www.thehungersite.com/ - every click helps :)

Kim...i just want to jump in here...i think i have missed some of the discussion. may i ask what part of the country you are talking about with the Scots and possible indian connection? my family is from TN, NC, KY, VA and i discovered people referred to as Melungeons. most stories are that some ancestors were indian but there was no proof of that. they have the characteristics you mentions...high cheek bones...dark eyes...olive complections... the subject of Melungeons is rather complicated but very interesting. if you search the word on the net you will find lots of info. just a suggestion. marilyn deloach elliott duluth mn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Pollard" <merick@cableone.net> To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: [MNSTLOUI] Re: mixed marriages > That same topic came into a family conversation just the other day. The high > cheek bones, the dark eyes, and dark hair. There is a family trait that almost > looks more towards the "Oriental" > features minus the eyes. The eyes are more "cat like" in shape. The thing with > that is to my knowledge so far I have only found one story of a possible indian > marriage and that isn't even in our line! It makes one wonder.... > > Kim > > Kathie Donahue wrote: > > > Regarding the possibility of mixed blood Scots and Indian, > > -- > http://www.cableone.net/jamez/family.htm > > Check out some of the other websites I'm running. > > http://drew-ms.netfirms.com/ > > http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/beautiful/877/ > or > http://nav.to/Merick > >

That same topic came into a family conversation just the other day. The high cheek bones, the dark eyes, and dark hair. There is a family trait that almost looks more towards the "Oriental" features minus the eyes. The eyes are more "cat like" in shape. The thing with that is to my knowledge so far I have only found one story of a possible indian marriage and that isn't even in our line! It makes one wonder.... Kim Kathie Donahue wrote: > Regarding the possibility of mixed blood Scots and Indian, -- http://www.cableone.net/jamez/family.htm Check out some of the other websites I'm running. http://drew-ms.netfirms.com/ http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/beautiful/877/ or http://nav.to/Merick

Regarding the possibility of mixed blood Scots and Indian, try Gail Morin's site. She includes some of the half-breed scrip indexes from the Grea Lakes area. Kathie Donahue http://www.amerindgenhelp.homestead.com/index.html American Indian Genealogy Help Center and Message Board ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Peterson <carolbpeter@email.msn.com> To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [MNSTLOUI] John McLean/Charles McLean > Probably a longshot and not true in your case, but always consider the > times. Many scotsmen came over for the fur trade. Many, many of them took > indian women or half breeds as mates while they were here. Many of them > left the women when they went back. He may have made one trip here, then > went back. The "marriages" were not recognized by the church, and in fact, > as evident with the McGillivray family (my ancestors) some of these women > had to file lawsuits in order to gain any status at all when it came to > inheritances. Most of the women just disappeared into the woodwork, and > their children and grandchildren were forgotten. They are referred to in > the writings of these men, not by name, but by racial slurs. Since the > Duluth-Fond du Lac-Fort William area was a very major fur trade post area > (North West Company) at the time, it may be that you need to research into > that a little. The North West Company was owned by the Scottish > (McGillivrays) and was largely Scottish by way of hiring. Any way, this > could have some bearing on your search. > Carol Peterson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marion Markham" <mmrbm@ameritech.net> > To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:48 AM > Subject: [MNSTLOUI] John McLean/Charles McLean > > > > Does anyone have a connection to John McLean, born in Canada in 1844? In > a > > copy of a letter from the files at Forest Hill Cemetery, John McLean > refers > > to his brother, Charles. However, it cannot be the Charles who was the > son > > of my gr-uncle Laughlan McLean, because Laughlan was still in Scotland in > > 1844 and unmarried. > > > > In 1899-1900 John McLean, although living in Bemidji, was paying for a > > cemetery plot in Forest Hill so he must have had some Duluth connection. > > > > If anyone has access for a Duluth city directory for that period, please > do > > a lookup for Charles McLeans. Thanks in advance. > > > > Marion Markham > > > > >

Probably a longshot and not true in your case, but always consider the times. Many scotsmen came over for the fur trade. Many, many of them took indian women or half breeds as mates while they were here. Many of them left the women when they went back. He may have made one trip here, then went back. The "marriages" were not recognized by the church, and in fact, as evident with the McGillivray family (my ancestors) some of these women had to file lawsuits in order to gain any status at all when it came to inheritances. Most of the women just disappeared into the woodwork, and their children and grandchildren were forgotten. They are referred to in the writings of these men, not by name, but by racial slurs. Since the Duluth-Fond du Lac-Fort William area was a very major fur trade post area (North West Company) at the time, it may be that you need to research into that a little. The North West Company was owned by the Scottish (McGillivrays) and was largely Scottish by way of hiring. Any way, this could have some bearing on your search. Carol Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Markham" <mmrbm@ameritech.net> To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: [MNSTLOUI] John McLean/Charles McLean > Does anyone have a connection to John McLean, born in Canada in 1844? In a > copy of a letter from the files at Forest Hill Cemetery, John McLean refers > to his brother, Charles. However, it cannot be the Charles who was the son > of my gr-uncle Laughlan McLean, because Laughlan was still in Scotland in > 1844 and unmarried. > > In 1899-1900 John McLean, although living in Bemidji, was paying for a > cemetery plot in Forest Hill so he must have had some Duluth connection. > > If anyone has access for a Duluth city directory for that period, please do > a lookup for Charles McLeans. Thanks in advance. > > Marion Markham > >

There was a virus attached to this email from Linda Lowe. Guessing it's the same one that hit last week. DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT. You're going to have to run a virus scan program to get rid of it. Hint: It took me two days, and I'm still having some problems... carol peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lowe" <lindarlowe1@home.com> To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: [MNSTLOUI] Blue Hill Cemetery > Have any members of this list heard of Blue Hill Cemetery in Duluth or > the surrounding area? My great aunt told me that my g-grandmother and > her parents were buried in Blue Hill Cemetery. She has passed away > since then, and I have not had much luck in locating it. > > Thank you for any help. > > Linda Lowe--Searching for SUNDEEN, ROGERS, ANDERSON, JOHNSON > >

Does anyone have a connection to John McLean, born in Canada in 1844? In a copy of a letter from the files at Forest Hill Cemetery, John McLean refers to his brother, Charles. However, it cannot be the Charles who was the son of my gr-uncle Laughlan McLean, because Laughlan was still in Scotland in 1844 and unmarried. In 1899-1900 John McLean, although living in Bemidji, was paying for a cemetery plot in Forest Hill so he must have had some Duluth connection. If anyone has access for a Duluth city directory for that period, please do a lookup for Charles McLeans. Thanks in advance. Marion Markham

Ironworld is located in Chisholm, and their Iron Range Research Center is absolutely great!!! It would certainly be a shame to miss it. Best of luck in your research, Deb.

Isn't Iron World in Chisolm? A large amount of Geneological data is kept there. If I remember what the name of that part of it is called... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rumberc@aol.com> To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: [MNSTLOUI] Re: Chisholm and Hibbing > I am going to be in the Chisholm/Hibbing area in a couple of weeks. Is there > anything in the genealogical line that I should not miss while I am there? > > I am planning on going to the Chisholm and Hibbing Cemeteries. Is there an > office at either of these that can direct me to grave sites? > > Carol Rumberger Deatherage > >

Have any members of this list heard of Blue Hill Cemetery in Duluth or the surrounding area? My great aunt told me that my g-grandmother and her parents were buried in Blue Hill Cemetery. She has passed away since then, and I have not had much luck in locating it. Thank you for any help. Linda Lowe--Searching for SUNDEEN, ROGERS, ANDERSON, JOHNSON

I am going to be in the Chisholm/Hibbing area in a couple of weeks. Is there anything in the genealogical line that I should not miss while I am there? I am planning on going to the Chisholm and Hibbing Cemeteries. Is there an office at either of these that can direct me to grave sites? Carol Rumberger Deatherage

The Hibbing Cemetery has a book in the office the will give the location of all graves. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rumberc@aol.com> To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: [MNSTLOUI] Re: Chisholm and Hibbing > I am going to be in the Chisholm/Hibbing area in a couple of weeks. Is there > anything in the genealogical line that I should not miss while I am there? > > I am planning on going to the Chisholm and Hibbing Cemeteries. Is there an > office at either of these that can direct me to grave sites? > > Carol Rumberger Deatherage > >

Hello, I am looking for family members of my great aunts Dora (Hill) Greco. she had a daughter Linda Greco who is married to a Greg Mattson they live in Duluth. would any one on the list happen to know Linda & Greg Mattson or any of their children?? I am trying to contact some of my relatives, I didn't know I had. Mrs. Jody Farmer mystic@kalama.com

Kim, Long Prairie is about 25 miles west of Little Falls, Minnesota and almost in the geographical center of Minnesota. It's a little farm town where I recall having a great breakfast at the local cafe about five years ago. I can't find a Burnhamville in my Minnesota stuff. There is "Burnsville" south of the Twin Cities but it didn't exist in the 1880 census, I believe. Pat

Todd, Minnesota is the name of the county right in the middle of Minnesota.

Hello Listers, I have happy news to report that I have found more relatives. I was wondering if anyone on the list might have more information for me-newspapers and what not. Heres some of the tastey tid bits that I was given. Where is Burnhamville, Minn. and Long Prairie Township, Todd, Minn.? Frances "Fanny" Balmer was the original lead that I new about and everything else is new. Kim Pollard Drew, Ms. GEORGE2 BALMER (GEORGE1) was born January 1803 in Appleby, Westmorland, England (Source: (1) 1870 census for Long Prairie, Todd, Minnesota., (2) 1880 census for Burnhamville, Minnesota.), and died 16 February 1882 in Duluth, St.Louis, Minnesota (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.). He married SARAH GILL 10 November 1825 in Kirkland, Cumberland, England (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.). Notes for GEORGE BALMER: Some time after the 1851 census, George and Sarah Balmer and children, Jane, George, John. William, Thomas, Joseph, Dorothy and Frances sailed to Canada. In 1870, George Balmer, aged 67, was a farmer, living in Long Prairie township, Minnesota with his wife Sarah, aged 64, and daughter Fanny, aged 18. In 1880, George, a gardener, aged 77, and his wife Sarah, aged 75, were living in Burnhamville, Minnesota. Children of GEORGE BALMER and SARAH GILL are: i. NANCY3 BALMER, b. 1826. Notes for NANCY BALMER: Alston Parish records of Nancy's christening show father George Bomer, mother Sarah living at Quarry House. Nancy and Ann could be the same person. More About NANCY BALMER: Christened: 20 March 1826, Alston, Northumberland, Eng. (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.) 2. ii. ANN BALMER, b. 1826, Skirwith, Cumberland, England; d. 13 October 1904, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, Eng.. 3. iii. MARY BALMER, b. 13 July 1827, Skirwith, Cumberland, England; d. 22 September 1911, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. iv. ROBERT BALMER, b. 1829, Skirwith, Cumberland, England (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.). Notes for ROBERT BALMER: Robert's father was listed as George Bomer on the Kirkland parish records showing Robert's christening. In 1851, Robert Balmer was a tanner or leather shaver, aged 21 and living in Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England. More About ROBERT BALMER: Christened: 2 August 1829, Kirkland, Near Penrith, Cumberland, Eng. (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.) Occupation: 1851, Tanner or leather shaver v. SARAH BALMER, b. 1832; d. 19 November 1843, St. Nicholas, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, Eng. (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.). More About SARAH BALMER: Christened: 4 January 1832, Skirwith, Cumberland, Eng. (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.) 4. vi. JANE BALMER, b. 1833, Skirwith, Cumberland, Eng.; d. Bef. 1939. 5. vii. GEORGE BALMER, b. 10 January 1836, Skirwith, Cumberland, Eng.; d. 9 March 1921, Duluth, St.Louis, Minnesota. viii. JOHN BALMER, b. 28 March 1838, Skirwith, Cumberland, Eng. (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.); d. 26 August 1840, Westgate, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, Eng. (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.). More About JOHN BALMER: Christened: 29 March 1838, Kirkland, Near Penrith, Cumberland, Eng. (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.) 6. ix. WILLIAM BALMER, b. 15 June 1840, Westgate, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, Eng.; d. 23 June 1894, Garibaldi,Tillamook, Oregon. 7. x. THOMAS BALMER, b. 20 September 1842, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, Eng.; d. 3 September 1914, Duluth, St.Louis, Minnesota. 8. xi. JOSEPH BALMER, b. 28 August 1847, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, Eng.; d. Aft. 1900. xii. DOROTHY BALMER, b. 25 September 1849, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, Eng. (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.); d. 26 September 1894, Duluth, St.Louis, Minnesota (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.); m. JOSEPH DORVAL LLOYD, 18 August 1866, Hancock, Houghton, Michigan (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.). More About JOSEPH DORVAL LLOYD: Burial: 10 February 1917, Forest Hill, Duluth, St. Louis, Minnesota xiii. FRANCES BALMER, b. 10 April 1852, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, Eng. (Source: (1) Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111., (2) 1870 census for Long Prairie, Todd, Minnesota.); d. 9 May 1906, Park Falls, Price, Wisconsin (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.); m. (1) GEORGE DOUGLAS LAMPHER, Abt. 1874 (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.); m. (2) JOHN HICKS DAVIS, 27 June 1883, Duluth, Minnesota US (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.). Notes for FRANCES BALMER: In 1861 Frances Balmer was living in Arran, Bruce county, Ontario, Canada. In 1870, Fanny Balmer, aged 18, was living in Long Prairie township, Minnesota with her parents, George, a farmer, aged 67 and Sarah Balmer, aged 64. In 1885, Frances and husband John H. Davis were living in Duluth, St Louis, Minnesota. in 1900, Frances Davis, age 48, married to John Hicks Davis for sixteen years, mother of 12 children, 9 living, was living at Lake Town, Price county, Wisconsin. In 1905, Frances, age 53, was living at Park falls, Price county, Wisconsin. More About FRANCES BALMER: Burial: 10 May 1906, Park Falls, Price, Wisconsin (Source: Julia Carver, 109 E South Temple, Apt 6F, Salt Lake City, Utah 84111.) -- http://www.cableone.net/jamez/family.htm Check out some of the other websites I'm running. http://drew-ms.netfirms.com/ http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/beautiful/877/ or http://nav.to/Merick

In a message dated 05/15/2001 6:07:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merick@cableone.net writes: << Hey list I was wondering if someone out there might be able to help with a question I have. I have been scanning some of the Genealogical books from the library (in Mississippi) and I was wondering if there would be a copyright problem if I posted the pages on the internet as is with the title page and index pages (whole book) and such for people to look at and try to locate there relatives. I obivously don't want to step on anyones toes, but I hate to not have this information out to the public. Some of these books were writen over 20 or more years. >> Well, I found some information at: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/library/faq.html I have pasted a small part of it here: "What is a work in the public domain? A work in the public domain can be copied freely by anyone. Such works include those of the U.S. Government and works for which the copyright has expired. Generally, for works created after 1978, the copyright lasts for fifty years beyond the life of the author. Works created before, but not published before, 1978 have special rules. For works created and first published between 1950 and 1978 the copyright lasts 75 years. For works created and first published before 1950, it lasts for 28 years but could have been renewed for another 28 years. When planning a project, start by identifying works in the public domain that can be reused in the new work. Request permissions for materials not in the public domain early in the project. It is easier to redesign a project in the beginning stages if you discover that permission to copy cannot be obtained for certain images or sounds. What is fair use? Fair use provisions of the copyright law allow for limited copying or distribution of published works without the author's permission in some cases. Examples of fair use of copyrighted materials include quotation of excerpts in a review or critique, or copying of a small part of a work by a teacher or student to illustrate a lesson. New issues about fair use have arisen with the increased use of the Internet. At the time of publication, a bill is pending in Congress concerning whether fair use provisions will be extended to appropriate users/uses of copyrighted Internet materials. When is copying is allowed by fair use provisions of the law? There are no explicit, predefined, legal specifications of how much and when one can copy, but there are guidelines for fair use. Each case of copying must be evaluated according to four factors: * The purpose and nature of the use--If the copy is used for teaching at a nonprofit institution, distributed without charge, and made by a teacher or students acting individually, then the copy is more likely to be considered as fair use. In addition, an interpretation of fair use is more likely if the copy was made spontaneously, for temporary use, not as part of an "anthology," and not as an institutional requirement or suggestion. * The nature of the copyrighted work--With multimedia material there are different standards and permissions for different media: a digitized photo from a National Geographic, a video clip from Jaws, and an audio selection from Peter Gabriel's CD would be treated differently--the selections are not treated as equivalent chunks of digital data. * The nature and substantiality of the material used--In general, when other criteria are met, the copying of extracts that are "not substantial in length" when compared to the whole of which they are part may be considered fair use. * The effect of use on the potential market for or value of the work--In general, any use that supplants or diminishes the normal market for the original work is considered an infringement, but a use does not have to have an effect on the market to be an infringement. This page goes on to explain how to refer to the copyright. I am not sure I can tell you what this all means to you!!! DeeDee