This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TJB.2ACI/525.620.624 Message Board Post: Hello and good evening, my name is rainer utsch and i live in germany. i found this thread this evening. i think i have some informations for you. i think you visited the "utschtal " in austria(steiermark). bye rainer utsch i have an insignia of the familie.if anybody here wants to have a foto of it, please mail to me directly.