Bill, I would think they need a certified copy, which she would have to obtain through Ramsey County. http://www.co.ramsey.mn.us/ph/vr/birth_records.htm She is listed in the birth index on www.MNHS.org , if you can use that info to delay action while you await the certified copy. Mary, Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: Bill Forshay [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [mnramsey] Re: Ramsey Co. Birth Cert help Hi list: I have a desperate situation. My mother lives in Texas sponsored housing. Well she just got a notice yesterday that she has to have proof she is a American citizen. She needs her birth cert. She has lost it in her many moves around the country. She was born in Ramsey co. MN 21 Apr 1915. Her name was Evern Pauline Lillian Bierschenk. Her father was Richard M. Bierschenk and mother was Ella Nelson. I hope there is someone out there that can help me. She needs her birth cert by 1 July 2006. I tried going to "Random Acts of Kindness". But no one was doing birth cert, all were pictures of gravestones. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear Bill and Interested List Members, Bill, your mother's birth is recorded with the date you stated, and filed under the name: Lillian Bierschenk, born in Ramsey County. Doc. No. 1915-50977. Find all the ordering information you need to order the certified birth record copy at: www.health.state.mn.us State Helath Dept., Telephone: 651-201-5970 -OR- Ramsey County Health Dept., Telephone: 651-266-1333 www.co.ramsey.mn.us The cost is $16.00 for a certified copy. Both of these offices should be able to provide you with a certified copy for your mother's needs. Best regards, Jim Sazevich, Historian St. Paul, Minnesota

Hi list: I have a desperate situation. My mother lives in Texas sponsored housing. Well she just got a notice yesterday that she has to have proof she is a American citizen. She needs her birth cert. She has lost it in her many moves around the country. She was born in Ramsey co. MN 21 Apr 1915. Her name was Evern Pauline Lillian Bierschenk. Her father was Richard M. Bierschenk and mother was Ella Nelson. I hope there is someone out there that can help me. She needs her birth cert by 1 July 2006. I tried going to "Random Acts of Kindness". But no one was doing birth cert, all were pictures of gravestones. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

Just received this on one of my lists ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Sharon Sergeant" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: [Bos-St] MASSACHUSETTS RECORDS ACCESS ALERT MASSACHUSETTS GENEALOGICAL COUNCIL (MGC) P.O. Box 5393 Cochituate, MA 01778 www.massgencouncil.org ALERT ALERT ALERT MGC urges all genealogists who care about access to vital records to act now! Legislative bills (H-3642, H-3643, and H-3644, petitioned by Plymouth Rep. Thomas J. O=E2=80=99Brien, et al.), currently pending in the Massachus= etts House Ways and Means Committee, are being pushed for passage within two weeks. They will close public records that have been open for nearly 400 years as well as the indexes to them. We all must contact our Massachusetts state Representatives and Senators to oppose these three (O=E2=80=99Brien) bills for the following reasons: The bills call for restricting access to all birth records since 1915 and all marriage and death records since 1955. These records are currently open public records and are the entry point for genealogical and medical history research. Restricting public access to the indexes of these records is unprecedented. It will deny use by all non-governmental individuals: researchers in genealogy, medical history, probate heirs, banks, journalists, and historians. Contact should be made immediately. We stopped these bills in 2003 =E2=80= =93 but now support for them in the legislature is formidable. If YOU don=E2=80=99t speak now, these bills will change the face of genealo= gy in Massachusetts and beyond. MOST EFFECTIVE: a signed letter with your reasons for opposing these closures, using your own words. To view a sample letter for your legislators, click here http://home.comcast.net/~massgencouncil/ConstituentLetter.htm ALSO: telephone calls, face to face meetings, and e-mails. SHARE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT: urge your sympathetic relatives, friends, neighbors, and the professionals listed above to do the same. Contact information for your representatives and senators is available at: http://www.mass.gov/legis/ your town clerk the state house at (617) 722-2000 the postal address is: Representative (or Senator) _______, State House, Room _______, Boston, MA 02133.

Can anyone help Peggy? Please respond to her directly, as I don't know if she's on our list or not. Note that the MN Historical Society now has a free index to early 1900 births (and getting ready to add more) on their website <http://www.mnhs.org/>. Since the birth took place after the requirement for a report to the State Health Department, she should appear on that index. You may need to do a little experimenting with the spelling of names..... Also the Family History Libraries have microfilms of the early St. Paul and Ramsey County vital records -- and be aware that for the purposes of these records, there really are two sets (one for the city and one for the rest of the county). Mary List Mom >Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:14:38 EDT > >6-16-2006 ,Peggy Mettler, <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > >Any info on August Hedin born 5-6-1887 died 5-22-1916 age 29. He was >from Sweden. Also any info on his daughter Helen Hedin or wife Maude >Layton Hedin. We cannot find birth records for my grandmother Helen >Hedin. She was born in St. Paul in 04-1914. August died when she >was 2 years old and the family doesn't know much about him. Helen >Hedin Berg just died in March of this year. A newspaper obit would >be very much apperated for August. August is buried in Union >cemetery in St. Paul MN. Buried May 22, 1916. I believe this to be >my Great grandfather. > > Thank you, > Peggy Mettler

Hello, I looked at this new book written by Mary. Casting Long Shadows: 125 Years at Hamline United Methodist Church WoW! Excellent! It is fabulous! I love it! I wish every topic on every structure in St. Paul could be this thorough. A must have for every St. Paul resident, historian, and library. Congratulations! Jana Jana Armstead Ramsey County Historical Society 75 W 5th St. #323 Landmark Center St Paul, MN 55102 651-222-0701

Press release for your information: Hamline Church's History book available Casting Long Shadows: 125 Years at Hamline United Methodist Church is now available through the church office. The 222-page book recounts the growth of the congregation since it held its first services, just ten days before the beginning of classes at Hamline University in September, 1880. A comprehensive history, it includes a chapter by Dr. Charles Graham, former president of Hamline University, on the institutional relationship of the two organizations, as well as chapters outlining some of the accomplishments of the congregation, many of whom were faculty and staff at Hamline. Members of the congregation brought neighborhood amenities such as the Hamline Branch Library to the neighborhood, established study and social programs for men and women, hosted neighborhood events, and reached out to those in need. Though the specifics of the programs have changed over the years, the congregation's mission as a welcoming congregation continues. Maps, illustrations and photos bring the pages to life, and there is a complete index. Books can be picked up at the church office (1514 Englewood Avenue, St. Paul, MN 55104), during regular office hours (9-4, M-F). The cost is $15 each. Add $5 for postage and handling within the U.S. Mary Bakeman [email protected] Ramsey MnGenWeb Coordintor http://www.parkbooks.com/MnGenWeb/ Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com/

Dear Victoria (and interested list members), Rice and Winter Streets are intersecting streets (running perpendicular) in the Capitol Heights area of St. Paul, a neighborhood located just north of the State Capitol building. So it would be impossible to live "between Rice and Winter". Also, in the late 1800s (and even in the mid-1800s) there were no farms in this area of the city. This neighborhood became part of the city proper in 1854, when the city was first incorporated. It was settled mostly in the 1870s and 1880s, as a residential neighborhood, and never used for "farming", even in its earliest days. Some of the Capitol Heights neighborhood remains intact, but much of it was destroyed for parking lots for state government buildings, and also for the Bethesda Hospital complex. The neighborhood is bordered by the Northend neighborhood on the north, the Mt. Airy neighborhood on the east, the Frogtown neighborhood on the west, and Downtown, or the central business district of St. Paul on the south. I'll send info on the Mrozek's in a private email. Hope this helps. Best regards, Jim Sazevich, Historian St. Paul, Minnesota > >From: Victoria Thorn <[email protected]> > > > >I am looking for information on William Mrozek who moved to Ramsey > >County and had an farm located between Rice and Wintr Street in St. > >Paul. Supposedly they purchased an existing home on the site. It is > >my understanding that the home was still standing a few years ago. I > >believe that there 5 children--three boys William, Andrew and Joseph > >and two girls, Pauline and Stella. I do not have dates, but I think > >this would have been in the late 1800's. His father was Martin > >Mrozek who came in through Canada from Poland. > > Victoria Thorn <[email protected]> > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Can anyone help her? Please respond directly to her -- I don't know if she's on our list. Mary List Mom >From: Victoria Thorn <[email protected]> > >I am looking for information on William Mrozek who moved to Ramsey >County and had an farm located between Rice and Wintr Street in St. >Paul. Supposedly they purchased an existing home on the site. It is >my understanding that the home was still standing a few years ago. I >believe that there 5 children--three boys William, Andrew and Joseph >and two girls, Pauline and Stella. I do not have dates, but I think >this would have been in the late 1800's. His father was Martin >Mrozek who came in through Canada from Poland. Victoria Thorn <[email protected]>

Can anyone help? Note her e-mail and respond to her -- I don't know if she's on our list or not. Mary List mom >Wednesday, May 31, 2006, Judith Ann Ruf, Las Vegas, Nevada email ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > >I am researching an Ida Peet, husband, Leo J. Peet who died in >Ramsey, Minnesota in January, 1980. Her maiden name was Ruf and Ida >would be my first cousin once removed. She was the daughter of >Conrad and Mary Ruf of Rochester, New York. She was born in >Rochester, New York on January 31. 1898. Her godfather was my >grandfather, John Ruf. If anyone has any information I would love >to hear from them. Thank you so much. > > >Sincerely, Judy Ruf >Judith Ann Ruf ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]

Can anyone help him? Please respond directly to him, as I don't know if he's on our list or not. Mary List Mom >Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:26:17 -0600 >From: "Gun Stening" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected], [email protected] > >Hi! >My name is Gun and I live in Sweden. I have some >relatives who moved to MN 1880. >My gran gran mothers two brothers and also their >mother and her husband moved to St.Paul. >The mothers name was : Maja Stina Lindström born >1823-12-08 in Sweden. Emigrated: 1884 > Her husband: August > Lindström " 1830-11-11 " " " > The two sons: Carl Gustaf Andersson born 1853-06-19 >Sweden Emigrated 1880 > Johan Alfred Andersson " >1851-04-12 " " > > Three more sons: Frans August born 1859-12-14 > " " 1884 > Axel George " >1865-0901 " " " > David Wilhelm " >1862-05-25 " Emigrated 1880 > >I know that Carl Gustaf Andersson and David Wilhelm moved together. >Carl Gustaf married Annie Pearson 9 june 1883 in >county Ramsey MN. I and my cousins visit MN last >year and we found their graves at Stanchfield >Baptist Church. We also know that Maja Stina is >burried there. We also know that Johan Alfred >Andersson went to St.Paul 1889 with his family. > >What we can´t find are the three boys Frans, >Axel and David and Maja Stina´s husband August Lindström. > >I found something on Internet but I´m not sure that is correct.( 1900 census) > >Lindström from Sweden living in Chicago Lake with his family >August Lindström Sweden living Red Wing Ward 4 Good hue MN. > >Lindström Sweden living Anoka St.Francis and also a man G.Andersson . > >Please help us found these people. We are going >to have a Reunion party next Midsummer 2007 in >Säby, Tranås in Sweden where they where born and lived before living to USA. > > >Sincerely Gun Stening , Sweden > >

Good morning list, I have come to the conclusion that my Great Grandparents, Oliver David Ritchie WALSHE and Elizabeth Mary ENGLEMAN, very possibly could have been married in St. Paul, Ramsey County, MN. This would have been abt 1888-1900. Is there anyone on the list that could check for a marriage record for me? Thanks and in appreciation, Connie Westcott --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.

Can anyone help him? Please respond directly, as I don't know if he is on our mailing list. Mary List Mom >From: "Robert Burnett" <[email protected]> >Subject: Ramsey county Burnett's >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:26:27 -0400 > >Am looking for information on Henry Anthony Burnett, born 23 July >1843 died 11 april 1908. Married to Sarah A Strunk 1 june 1869 had >a child Myrtle Burnett born 12 june 1873. Lds record says 1880 >census has them in St Paul, Ramsey ct Minn. possibly with last name >spelled Burnette. Thanks Rob Burnett email to ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >

List, I am looking for the death/obituary information on a Archibald Trowbridge who died on November 24, 1858 in Mendota, Minnesota. Michael Trowbridge

Dear List Members, My sincere thanks to one and all who responded (and so promptly!) to my request re- past patient records for St. Peter State Hospital. Mary B. and Jim S., you never cease to help us learn more research tips, and it's SO much appreciated! Gratefully, Lois Johnson Fayetteville, Arkansas

Jim, thanks for all this information that I didn't know was available. Where at the MHS are these records located? Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sazevich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: [mnramsey] ST. PETER STATE HOSPITAL RECORD > Dear List Members, > > Yes, the Minnesota Historical Society has many of the St. > Peter State Hospital (and other state hospitals as well) > patient/resident records, dating from the 1860s. The > records, for the most part are quite detailed, and contain > lots of genealogical data, including birthplace, birth > dates, names of spouses and children, and sometime other > relatives and friends of the patient. Usually the case > files give detailed accounts of the reason for > hospitalization /confinement. > In some cases there are even photographs of the individuals. > > As you can expect, privacy laws protect access to files for > at least 75 years, but if your ancestor was hospitalized > before that time, you should likely be able to access the > records, and find some interesting data. > > Last year, in the St. Peter records, (which are in original > format, not microfilmed) I read about a distant relative who > had been confined at St. Peter Hospital in the early 1870s. > The data was very enlightening, and filled with wonderful > detail about the weeks and months before his > hospitalization. > > By the way, everyone should also know that in the past, it > did not take actual mental illness to be admitted to a State > Hospital. Senility (Alzheimer's), Spendthrifts, Alcoholism, > etc. were all reasons someone could be confined in a State > operated hospital. Most of the commitments were handled by > the Probate Court (District Court) in the various counties, > and that is where to find the indexes in most cases. > > Do you think no one in your family spent time in a state > hospital? My "fairly sane", middle class family, living in > Ramsey County from the 1880s, had more than a dozen > commitments to State institutions during the last 125 > years. They are records worth pursuing for everyone doing > genealogical research. If you ignore them, its your loss. > > Hope this helps. > > Best regards, > > Jim Sazevich, Historian > St. Paul, Minnesota > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Dear List Members, Adding to my previous message regarding Ramsey County Probate records. I have the index for the Ramsey County Probate records (1849-1993) in my office, and would be happy to do limited free look-ups for list members. I will check the index for up to 3 individual names (not general searches for surnames) for anyone who emails me directly. Please provide: 1. first name, 2. middle initial if known, 3. surname I will let you know if there are any records available for that individual, and what type of record it is. Remember, I have the index for Ramsey County only. Very Important: Write to me directly, and not to the Ramsey County List. Best regards, Jim Sazevich, Historian St. Paul, Minnesota [email protected]

Dear List Members, Based on the many personal messages I have received since my earlier posting, I guess it may need some clarification. When I said to start by searching the Probate and/or District Court indexes, I meant that it was the local District Court that usually handled the commitments to State Hospitals. Best if I present an example, which is a two part process: In Ramsey County, Minnesota: The Probate Court office of Ramsey County maintains an index of all Probate related files from 1849 to the present (2006). These files mostly relate to the disposition of property of deceased people who lived in Ramsey County. The files also contain hundreds of examination and commitment files to State Hospitals for people who were declared "insane", "mentally deficient", "feeble minded", "incompetent", "mentally ill", "spendthrifts", "inebriate", "chemically dependent", and commitments to State Schools. The files also contain a high number of custody files for minor children of deceased residents of Ramsey County. Also, a handful of early Ramsey County naturalizations - - and I mean handful, no more. The records from 1849 to 1900 number almost 13,000 files! The records from 1900 to the present (2006), number in the 10's of thousands. All of these records are INDEXED by name, case type, date of filing, and case number. The index and records are maintained by Ramsey Count Probate Court, part of the District Court of Ramsey County, located in the Ramsey County Courthouse in downtown St. Paul. These are public records and open for review - -at the Ramsey County Courthouse - -NOT on line. If you find a commitment record at the Probate Court office, it will usually contain a detailed account of the medical examination given by a court appointed doctor. The record will usually also contain a questionnaire regarding personal information about the individual, including a fair amount of genealogical data - marital status, names of spouses, number of children, often parents names, etc. The record will also confirm whether or not the person was sent to a State hospital. If a commitment took place, the record will include the name of the hospital, the date the person was taken to the hospital, and the date the person was discharged from the hospital, or died at the hospital. If the person died at the hospital, the record will usually give the cause of death, and disposition of the remains - - either buried at the hospital cemetery, or returned to relatives for burial. Sometimes, patients were transferred from one State hospital to another State hospital, and that is contained in the record as well. For Ramsey County records, I should remind everyone not living in the St. Paul/Mpls metro area, that the LDS (Mormon) church has copied many of the early Probate Court indexes and records for Ramsey County - - many other counties in Minnesota, and throughout the United States. Check the LDS on line indexes under the State and County, then: Probate Records and Indexes, for records available for the area you are researching. So, many of these records are available through your local LDS Library, and you should be able to order them, make copies, etc., without much trouble. Next - Once you have reviewed the local court records, you should know the name of the State hospital, dates of commitment, and length of stay at the hospital, and you can check the records for that particular hospital and patient at the Minnesota Historical Society. If the records exist, you can review them in original form at the Library of the Minnesota Historical Society in St. Paul, Minnesota. The records have not been microfilmed. Again, the 75 year privacy law applies to State Hospital records. If anyone has additional questions, I will be happy to try to answer them. Best regards, Jim Sazevich, Historian St. Paul, Minnesota

The holdings of MHS for St. Peter are in their on-line catalog Go to www.mnhs.org then click on library catalog Mary Listmom At 10:01 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote: >I'm interested in this question/answer also. I have an >ancestor who was at St. Peter State Hospital prior to 1970, >and was told by multiple hospital personnel that the records >from that time period and before have been destroyed. >Sharon > >----- Original Message ----- >| Do any of our Listers know if MHS may have health or death >records for >| patients of this hospital, for this time period? Any >other ideas of if or where >| such records may exist? > >it would >| certainly be helpful to know ahead of time if such records >even exist. >| >| Thanks so very much, in advance, for any info or research >tips re- this >| request. >| > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Dear List Members, Yes, the Minnesota Historical Society has many of the St. Peter State Hospital (and other state hospitals as well) patient/resident records, dating from the 1860s. The records, for the most part are quite detailed, and contain lots of genealogical data, including birthplace, birth dates, names of spouses and children, and sometime other relatives and friends of the patient. Usually the case files give detailed accounts of the reason for hospitalization /confinement. In some cases there are even photographs of the individuals. As you can expect, privacy laws protect access to files for at least 75 years, but if your ancestor was hospitalized before that time, you should likely be able to access the records, and find some interesting data. Last year, in the St. Peter records, (which are in original format, not microfilmed) I read about a distant relative who had been confined at St. Peter Hospital in the early 1870s. The data was very enlightening, and filled with wonderful detail about the weeks and months before his hospitalization. By the way, everyone should also know that in the past, it did not take actual mental illness to be admitted to a State Hospital. Senility (Alzheimer's), Spendthrifts, Alcoholism, etc. were all reasons someone could be confined in a State operated hospital. Most of the commitments were handled by the Probate Court (District Court) in the various counties, and that is where to find the indexes in most cases. Do you think no one in your family spent time in a state hospital? My "fairly sane", middle class family, living in Ramsey County from the 1880s, had more than a dozen commitments to State institutions during the last 125 years. They are records worth pursuing for everyone doing genealogical research. If you ignore them, its your loss. Hope this helps. Best regards, Jim Sazevich, Historian St. Paul, Minnesota