Hi, When I read this wonderful comment about sharing photos with past residents I felt I needed to address the List. I work and volunteer with the Ramsey County Historical Society and we get requests all the time from people researching their home (s). The thing they want the most are photos!! We have the Historic Site Survey collection and a photo collection. There are exterior photos with the Site Surveys and few exterior shots in the photo collection. One of the biggest "bummers" in my job is when I have to tell someone that I can't find something for them, that we only have pictures if someone decided to donate them long ago and if you don't donate them than people in the future won't be able to enjoy them either. :( and that people just never think to donate pictures of their homes, exterior OR interior. Especially interior! Interior shots are rare. So my request is that at some point you please think to donate any extra pictures of your St. Paul OR Ramsey County homes - they could even be your family sitting in the yard at Easter with the house in the background. Or a family shot at Christmas with the fireplace in the background. Or even your whole block. pictures of neighborhoods or buildings. Thanks Mary for supplying us with this way to communicate with everyone and throw our questions and comments out here to share. Best Wishes, Jana Armstead _www.rchs.com_ (http://www.rchs.com) 651-222-0701 In a message dated 11/21/2006 3:09:34 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I was born in West St paul but after my dad died in 1934 we moved to w 7th area--lived at 437 Banfil Street--if I remember correctly the corner of Goodhue! went to st stan and then Monroe--graduated in 1944. In 1947 my Mom and 6 kids moved up near St Catherine's College. Married in the Nativity in 47 moved to Calif in 49. Hubby was a year ahead of me at Monroe. We have come back for reunions through the years and to visit family. Our house on Banfil looks better now than it did when we rented it!! My hubby and I are both part Bohemian. Would have been up the block from Goodhue. My maternal grandfather lived at 403 and his sisters-in-law lived at 413, they were midblock. You wouldn't believe the neighborhood now. Neither of those houses look the same and many others have changed also. Was out there taking pics last summer. Got to see the houses inside and out and let them see pics of what houses looked like when my relatives owned them. My paternal grandfather built a house on Goodhue a block toward downtown from Banfil and that is the only one that looks the least bit like it did then. Annie in Minnesota ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michelle, This is a shot in the dark and will require quite a lot of work, but why don't you try the following procedure: 1. Get the names of all the high schools in Ramsey and Hennepin Counties. 2. Then get the addresses or phone numbers of the local library of the towns where those high schools were/are. 3. Write to each of those libraries, requesting yearbook lookups. Ask specifically for printouts of the pages showing pictures of graduating seniors between 1965? and 1971. Offer to pay for time and cost. 4. After you receive the printouts of the pictures of the graduating classes, look through the pictures to see if anyone looks like you or someone you know. 5. If you end up with a familiar face, you will also have a name. That's your first step. You will have to take it from there. Believe it or not, I found my mother's parents in a similar manner. All I knew was that she came from Winona County, Minnesota. I was looking for someone who looked like my mother but found someone who looked like ME! We eventually had a wonderful reunion with her 4 half sisters. Don't give up hope. 6. If you do find the name of someone you suspect could be related to you, you might check the high school reunion pages for lists of addresses of former graduates. Of course, there are other options besides alumni lists at this point in your research. Cecilia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 1:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MNRAMSEY] Birth Parent Search Hello List First let me thank you for the response and consideration that many of you have given to my inquiry. I have followed many of the leads provided but alas to no avail, perhaps someday before it is too late. Also a lot of the emails ask for more details, so I will again post my question to the list in hopes that someone new may find a bit of information that will open that door. "Searching for Birth Mother & Birth Father. I was born March 06, 1971 in St Paul. Information that I have on Birth Mother is: She was born in Illinois in 1952 and attended HS in Ramsey or Hennepin County, she worked as a nurses aide in a local nursing home and took pottery classes at a Wisconsin college. She also took a summer school class in art. She had 2 other sisters, one which was a telephone operator, and 1 brother who had 2 years of college and had served in the army. I have more identifying information for my Birth Mother. My Birth Father was born in Wisconsin in 1952, he worked at an automotive place in Ramsey County, IF ANYONE KNOWS, OR BELIEVES THEY KNOW, WHO MY BIRTH MOTHER,OR BIRTH FATHER MAY BE, PLEASE CONTACT ME BY E-MAIL AT: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) _ (_mailto:[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) ) Thank You" Forever Seeking.... Michelle

Hello List First let me thank you for the response and consideration that many of you have given to my inquiry. I have followed many of the leads provided but alas to no avail, perhaps someday before it is too late. Also a lot of the emails ask for more details, so I will again post my question to the list in hopes that someone new may find a bit of information that will open that door. "Searching for Birth Mother & Birth Father. I was born March 06, 1971 in St Paul. Information that I have on Birth Mother is: She was born in Illinois in 1952 and attended HS in Ramsey or Hennepin County, she worked as a nurses aide in a local nursing home and took pottery classes at a Wisconsin college. She also took a summer school class in art. She had 2 other sisters, one which was a telephone operator, and 1 brother who had 2 years of college and had served in the army. I have more identifying information for my Birth Mother. My Birth Father was born in Wisconsin in 1952, he worked at an automotive place in Ramsey County, IF ANYONE KNOWS, OR BELIEVES THEY KNOW, WHO MY BIRTH MOTHER,OR BIRTH FATHER MAY BE, PLEASE CONTACT ME BY E-MAIL AT: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) _ (_mailto:[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) ) Thank You" Forever Seeking.... Michelle

My grandmother used to say her relatives were from Alsace-Lorraine, but the best I could ever do is to learn that her father's father was from Hesse-Nassau and her mother's family from Hannover. I think many German descendants named Alsace-Lorraine during the WWI & WWII periods so as not to sound so German. Bart --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 22/11/06, shiel007 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Alsace-Lorraine moved back and forth between, I believe, France and > Germany. > > See wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace_Lorraine > > "Alsace-Lorraine (French: Alsace-Lorraine; German: Elsaß-Lothringen) was a > territory that used to be disputed between France and Germany, but is > currently a part of France and has been since World War II." > > There is a famous short story describing the last day in a school where, > the > next day, they would be part of another country and taught in a different > language. > > Kate Shields > > On 22 Nov 2006, [email protected] wrote: > > I have some relatives who were from Alsace-Lorraine. I understand > it has > > belonged to France, Belgium, and/or Germany. All I know for certain is > that > > it > > has been part of a number of different countries. Does anyone know for > > sure? > > > > Joanne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Alsace-Lorraine moved back and forth between, I believe, France and Germany. See wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace_Lorraine "Alsace-Lorraine (French: Alsace-Lorraine; German: Elsa�-Lothringen) was a territory that used to be disputed between France and Germany, but is currently a part of France and has been since World War II." There is a famous short story describing the last day in a school where, the next day, they would be part of another country and taught in a different language. Kate Shields On 22 Nov 2006, [email protected] wrote: > I have some relatives who were from Alsace-Lorraine. I understand it has > belonged to France, Belgium, and/or Germany. All I know for certain is that > it > has been part of a number of different countries. Does anyone know for > sure? > > Joanne

I have some relatives who were from Alsace-Lorraine. I understand it has belonged to France, Belgium, and/or Germany. All I know for certain is that it has been part of a number of different countries. Does anyone know for sure? Joanne

I'd like to ask a very stupid question. Would you please define Bohemian for me? I'm 1/2 Irish. I'm still trying to figure out the rest. Joanne

Bohemians are people from the country of Bohemia which is now Czechoslovakia. Bohemia used to be part of Austria. My one set of grandparents said they came from Austria--but they lived in Bohemia. Prague used to be the capital of Bohemia. Joan Schneider Born ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > I'd like to ask a very stupid question. Would you please define Bohemian > for me? I'm 1/2 Irish. I'm still trying to figure out the rest. > > Joanne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 11/21/2006 3:09:34 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I was born in West St paul but after my dad died in 1934 we moved to w 7th area--lived at 437 Banfil Street--if I remember correctly the corner of Goodhue! went to st stan and then Monroe--graduated in 1944. In 1947 my Mom and 6 kids moved up near St Catherine's College. Married in the Nativity in 47 moved to Calif in 49. Hubby was a year ahead of me at Monroe. We have come back for reunions through the years and to visit family. Our house on Banfil looks better now than it did when we rented it!! My hubby and I are both part Bohemian. Would have been up the block from Goodhue. My maternal grandfather lived at 403 and his sisters-in-law lived at 413, they were midblock. You wouldn't believe the neighborhood now. Neither of those houses look the same and many others have changed also. Was out there taking pics last summer. Got to see the houses inside and out and let them see pics of what houses looked like when my relatives owned them. My paternal grandfather built a house on Goodhue a block toward downtown from Banfil and that is the only one that looks the least bit like it did then. Annie in Minnesota

I was born in West St paul but after my dad died in 1934 we moved to w 7th area--lived at 437 Banfil Street--if I remember correctly the corner of Goodhue! went to st stan and then Monroe--graduated in 1944. In 1947 my Mom and 6 kids moved up near St Catherine's College. Married in the Nativity in 47 moved to Calif in 49. Hubby was a year ahead of me at Monroe. We have come back for reunions through the years and to visit family. Our house on Banfil looks better now than it did when we rented it!! My hubby and I are both part Bohemian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES J KAPPELHOFF" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > This is very interesting to me. I went to St. Stans as a child with my > very Bohemian grandmother, who lived on Goodhue St. > > Later, I went to St. Francis de Sales & Monroe HS and lived on Bay St. & > also on James. > > Last summer I attended a funeral at St. Stans-it sure hasn't changed much. > > I went to Jefferson Elementary also, K-5 I think it was. > > Jim Kappelhoff, 763-434-6599 > 401 212 LN NE > East Bethel, MN 55011 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joan Born<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > > > St Stanislaus was and still is a very Bohemian parish. I went to > gradeschool > there and belonged to that church from 1935 to about 1939. A friend still > attends there.. > > Also, some of my husband's family lived on Toronto street in the late > 1890's > and I believe they attended St Francis Parish. They were Bohemian. Their > surnames were Huna and Benesch. His mother was married at St Francis > Church. > > Joan Schneider Born-----Researching Surnames: > > BORN, HERRMANN, HUNA, BENESCH /// SCHNEIDER, LIEBL, YOUNG, LENG// > > TURBES. ROSS (ROSSEN), CHRISTEN, GROSJEAN, KNOTT, MURGES, BRAND, > KLINKERS, HAMMES, HENGES (HENSGES or HENSGENS)and KOENIGS > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > > > > Hi Mary, > > > > Just a thought........Could the church have been St. Mary's Roman > Orthodox > > Church on Woodbridge and Atwater Sts.? This was a Romanian neighborhood > > where I > > grew up. > > > > Love your site, I wish I knew more about your library and what > resources > > you > > have there. > > > > A former Rice Streeter, > > > > Judy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ruth, I was born & raised in St. Paul out W7th St. Currently live in East Bethel, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Nerud<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul Jim, do you live in St. Paul? When did you go to St. Francis de Sales school (or was it the church)? St. Stan's is a beautiful church with a wonderful priest. Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES J KAPPELHOFF" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > This is very interesting to me. I went to St. Stans as a child with my > very Bohemian grandmother, who lived on Goodhue St. > > Later, I went to St. Francis de Sales & Monroe HS and lived on Bay St. & > also on James. > > Last summer I attended a funeral at St. Stans-it sure hasn't changed much. > > I went to Jefferson Elementary also, K-5 I think it was. > > Jim Kappelhoff, 763-434-6599 > 401 212 LN NE > East Bethel, MN 55011 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, do you live in St. Paul? When did you go to St. Francis de Sales school (or was it the church)? St. Stan's is a beautiful church with a wonderful priest. Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES J KAPPELHOFF" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > This is very interesting to me. I went to St. Stans as a child with my > very Bohemian grandmother, who lived on Goodhue St. > > Later, I went to St. Francis de Sales & Monroe HS and lived on Bay St. & > also on James. > > Last summer I attended a funeral at St. Stans-it sure hasn't changed much. > > I went to Jefferson Elementary also, K-5 I think it was. > > Jim Kappelhoff, 763-434-6599 > 401 212 LN NE > East Bethel, MN 55011

This is very interesting to me. I went to St. Stans as a child with my very Bohemian grandmother, who lived on Goodhue St. Later, I went to St. Francis de Sales & Monroe HS and lived on Bay St. & also on James. Last summer I attended a funeral at St. Stans-it sure hasn't changed much. I went to Jefferson Elementary also, K-5 I think it was. Jim Kappelhoff, 763-434-6599 401 212 LN NE East Bethel, MN 55011 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Born<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul St Stanislaus was and still is a very Bohemian parish. I went to gradeschool there and belonged to that church from 1935 to about 1939. A friend still attends there.. Also, some of my husband's family lived on Toronto street in the late 1890's and I believe they attended St Francis Parish. They were Bohemian. Their surnames were Huna and Benesch. His mother was married at St Francis Church. Joan Schneider Born-----Researching Surnames: BORN, HERRMANN, HUNA, BENESCH /// SCHNEIDER, LIEBL, YOUNG, LENG// TURBES. ROSS (ROSSEN), CHRISTEN, GROSJEAN, KNOTT, MURGES, BRAND, KLINKERS, HAMMES, HENGES (HENSGES or HENSGENS)and KOENIGS ---- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > Hi Mary, > > Just a thought........Could the church have been St. Mary's Roman Orthodox > Church on Woodbridge and Atwater Sts.? This was a Romanian neighborhood > where I > grew up. > > Love your site, I wish I knew more about your library and what resources > you > have there. > > A former Rice Streeter, > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary, Just a thought........Could the church have been St. Mary's Roman Orthodox Church on Woodbridge and Atwater Sts.? This was a Romanian neighborhood where I grew up. Love your site, I wish I knew more about your library and what resources you have there. A former Rice Streeter, Judy

St Stanislaus was and still is a very Bohemian parish. I went to gradeschool there and belonged to that church from 1935 to about 1939. A friend still attends there.. Also, some of my husband's family lived on Toronto street in the late 1890's and I believe they attended St Francis Parish. They were Bohemian. Their surnames were Huna and Benesch. His mother was married at St Francis Church. Joan Schneider Born-----Researching Surnames: BORN, HERRMANN, HUNA, BENESCH /// SCHNEIDER, LIEBL, YOUNG, LENG// TURBES. ROSS (ROSSEN), CHRISTEN, GROSJEAN, KNOTT, MURGES, BRAND, KLINKERS, HAMMES, HENGES (HENSGES or HENSGENS)and KOENIGS ---- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > Hi Mary, > > Just a thought........Could the church have been St. Mary's Roman Orthodox > Church on Woodbridge and Atwater Sts.? This was a Romanian neighborhood > where I > grew up. > > Love your site, I wish I knew more about your library and what resources > you > have there. > > A former Rice Streeter, > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm trying to discover if there was a family relationship between my gr-gr-grandfather, Robert Dugan and Charles Purney Dugan. I believe they may have been cousins. Charles was the son of Henry Dugan, born 2/1/1821 in Newry, Armagh, Ireland, and Christina Miller Purney. Robert was the son of Joseph Dugan, born in1820 in Newtown Hamilton, Armagh, Ireland and Sarah Kerr. They all resided in St. Paul by 1865. I have a photo album with photos of all except Christina. Charles is the only person about whom II have no details. Linda

At 08:50 AM 11/19/2006, you wrote: >Thank you so much. I located the family on the 1880 & 1900 census on Toronto >St. Would this be helpful as to locating the church they might have >attended? They were born in Bohemia. The closest is probable St. Stan's -- that's in the West 7th neighborhood and it would be walking distance. The cemetery is still Calvary, however -- Mary Mary Bakeman [email protected] Ramsey MnGenWeb Coordintor http://www.parkbooks.com/MnGenWeb/ Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com/

Thank you so much. I located the family on the 1880 & 1900 census on Toronto St. Would this be helpful as to locating the church they might have attended? They were born in Bohemia. Thank you, Donna

There are a few Svobodny's that attended school at St. James and St. Francis de Sales also. Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Bakeman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Seeking church for Bohemians in St. Paul > At 08:15 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: >>Hello: I am searching for the name and address of the Bohemian church >>where >>my people may have worshipped. They lived in St Paul Ward 4 and/or Ward >>5. >>They were living there in 1870 thru 1910. > > The areas for the wards changed from time to time -- an address would > be easier to figure out the closest church. There were many > immigrants and many Catholic churches founded from 1870-1890. > > Just to give you an idea of the development. Here are a few other > German Catholic churches in St. Paul, with their dates of founding, > taken from Reardon's book on the history of the St. Paul Diocese. > *Assumption - 1856 (downtown) > *St Stanislaus - 1872 (W 7th) > *St Adalbert - 1879 Polish (Charles and Galtier) > *Sacred Heart - 1881 (Dayton's Bluff) > *St Agnes - 1887 (Dale and the railroad tracks) > *St Bernard - 1890 (N Rice Street) > >>The surnames are Svobodny, Shindelus (various spellings), Kubes. >>Also seeking contact information for the Calvary Cemetery in St. Paul. > > Check out the MnRamsey cemetery page for Calvary -- the interment > records have been transcribed and published for this period. > Unfortunately, there is no indication in them of the home parish. > <http://www.parkbooks.com/MnGenWeb/cem.html> > > Mary > > Mary Bakeman > [email protected] > Ramsey MnGenWeb Coordintor > http://www.parkbooks.com/MnGenWeb/ > > Park Genealogical Books > http://www.parkbooks.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 08:15 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: >Hello: I am searching for the name and address of the Bohemian church where >my people may have worshipped. They lived in St Paul Ward 4 and/or Ward 5. >They were living there in 1870 thru 1910. The areas for the wards changed from time to time -- an address would be easier to figure out the closest church. There were many immigrants and many Catholic churches founded from 1870-1890. Just to give you an idea of the development. Here are a few other German Catholic churches in St. Paul, with their dates of founding, taken from Reardon's book on the history of the St. Paul Diocese. *Assumption - 1856 (downtown) *St Stanislaus - 1872 (W 7th) *St Adalbert - 1879 Polish (Charles and Galtier) *Sacred Heart - 1881 (Dayton's Bluff) *St Agnes - 1887 (Dale and the railroad tracks) *St Bernard - 1890 (N Rice Street) >The surnames are Svobodny, Shindelus (various spellings), Kubes. >Also seeking contact information for the Calvary Cemetery in St. Paul. Check out the MnRamsey cemetery page for Calvary -- the interment records have been transcribed and published for this period. Unfortunately, there is no indication in them of the home parish. <http://www.parkbooks.com/MnGenWeb/cem.html> Mary Mary Bakeman [email protected] Ramsey MnGenWeb Coordintor http://www.parkbooks.com/MnGenWeb/ Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com/