Thanks Annie. You are right. It is the Ramsey Hill and the small stone building at the bottom in what would be the Southwest corner used to be a synagogue or mortuary. I know my grandmother was buried from there in 1942. I'll check out the one on Cleveland Hill. Don't remember it right now so a ride when I get back will do me good. Norm ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hey, that is right, Ramsey Hill. Could not think of it. Thanks, Norm ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

No, not Cleveland. I think it is Ft. Smith Road off of West 7th and the hill comes out on Summit at the Minnesota Club just West of Western. Norm ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 4/11/2007 2:13:16 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I grew up 1/2 block off of Cleveland on Wellesley Avenue. Cleveland runs north and south and intersects with Summit Avenue several miles west of the Ramsey Hill. Cleveland runs from Mississippi River Blvd. (I think) thru the Highland Village, past St. Catherine's College (on Randolph, Ave.), past St. Thomas College (on Summit Avenue), and continues north. Could you be thinking of Grand Avenue? The Ramsey Hill comes down and intersects with Grand Avenue at the bottom of the hill. But this area is not far off of West 7th Street near downtown St. Paul. Here's what I got from a Google check: Temple of Aaron Synagogue. View Map. 616 S Mississippi River Blvd, St. Paul That address is correct. The addresses for the temples were already established, I think, but the message about the hill mentioned another Jewish building, and the only one I could think of was the one on the downhill to St. Paul Avenue and the firestation, which is not on the Ramsey Hill. If there is one there, I am not aware of it, and since my husband's death have no one to ask to verify that info. If the snow we are supposed to get doesn't arrive (here's hoping as it is 12 hours late now), and the driving is not bad, I could take a look tomorrow to see what I can see. As for the pics I have not volunteered for them as I do not have a digital camera, but I have a phone camera and I can try and see what I can get with it. Sometimes I can get really good pics with it and other times not so good. Depends on the weather, lighting and subject. Annie in Minnesota ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 4/11/2007 2:13:16 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I grew up 1/2 block off of Cleveland on Wellesley Avenue. Cleveland runs north and south and intersects with Summit Avenue Ok, I ran out in the rain and got my map book. The street I was thinking of has to be Edgecomb, it curves around and meets up with St. Paul Avenue by the Fire station. The building that I was thinking of that is a Jewish building is in that curve, about near Edgecomb and Howell or just south of there, I think. And there is a Jewish community center on St. Paul Avenue. Annie in Minnesota ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I grew up 1/2 block off of Cleveland on Wellesley Avenue. Cleveland runs north and south and intersects with Summit Avenue several miles west of the Ramsey Hill. Cleveland runs from Mississippi River Blvd. (I think) thru the Highland Village, past St. Catherine's College (on Randolph, Ave.), past St. Thomas College (on Summit Avenue), and continues north. Could you be thinking of Grand Avenue? The Ramsey Hill comes down and intersects with Grand Avenue at the bottom of the hill. But this area is not far off of West 7th Street near downtown St. Paul. Here's what I got from a Google check: Temple of Aaron Synagogue. View Map. 616 S Mississippi River Blvd, St. Paul; 651.698.8874. Search for: All Categories, All Dates, sort by Event Date ... www.citypages.com/calendar/detail.asp?CID=3090 - 42k - _Cached_ (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:mwM9AIh-rNsJ:www.citypages.com/calendar/detail.asp?CID =3090+Temple+of+Aaron&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&ie=UTF-8) - _Similar pages_ (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=related:www.citypages.com/calenda r/detail.asp?CID=3090) <NOBR>I hope that this <NOBR>Joanne ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 4/10/2007 11:50:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Ramsey Hill? You are correct that Ramsey Hill goes up to Summit, but so does Cleveland and there is a Jewish building on it in one of the bends. At least I think it is Cleveland, but it in the HIghland area, and up from the firestation. I think it is also on one of the bus routes, which has to make it Cleveland, I think. Annie in Minnesota ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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In a message dated 4/9/2007 11:09:05 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: There is also a small building at the bottom of a large hill that goes up to Summit Ave. (Can't think of the name of the hill right now) Cleveland? Annie in Minnesota ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Some of you may have already found this website, but for those of you who haven't, you might want to check it out. It's at <http://maps.metro-inet.us/> then follow the 'bread crumbs.' This site uses selected aerial maps to allow you to compare how land within Ramsey County was developed from 1940 to the current day. For example, I live in Roseville, and you can see the development of Rosedale as it rises and expands, the building of the high schools and the demise of some K-8 facilities, the blossoming of residential areas from what were market gardens and farms, etc. On the St. Paul side, I was able to locate a building that was had an electrical fire in the 1950s and was replaced by a bigger building. And of course the interstate highways were put in after 1940. Lots of food for thought in how our families lived! I love maps, and getting them to show this kind of detail is especially fun. Try it! Mary Mary Bakeman [email protected] Ramsey MnGenWeb Coordintor http://www.parkbooks.com/MnGenWeb/ Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com/

Julian, I will be returning to St. Paul the end of May and would love to help you. Right now I am in AZ. My father was a member of Mt. Zion and my grandfather worked at the Temple of Aaron, the old one, prior to 1922. There is also a small building at the bottom of a large hill that goes up to Summit Ave. (Can't think of the name of the hill right now) but this was a synagogue and my grandmother was buried from there. If you don't have a response to your request let me know and I will do my best to assist you when I return to MN. Shalom, Norman D. Ackert ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear List Members: My name is Julian H. Preisler and I reside in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia near Washington, DC. I am searching for a person who can take a color photograph of the exterior of Temple Mount Zion located at 1300 Summit Avenue and Temple of Aaron located at 616 Mississippi River Blvd., both in St. Paul. I am researching American Synagogue Architecture and am in the process of creating an e-Book on the subject. Photo credit will be given to the photographer both in the research project and upon publication. If anyone can do this for me or knows of someone who is willing to assist, please do get in touch with me. Photographs can be digital (preferred), but I can also accept regular print photographs and can scan them into the database. I have photographs of only a few of the Jewish temples and synagogues in Minnesota and would also like to include the two in St. Paul. I thank you in advance for your help and look forward to hearing from any of you. Sincerely, Mr. Julian H. Preisler Falling Waters, West Virginia [email protected] --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Hi Nancy, ST MATTHEW'S LUTHERAN CHURCH was one lot off of University and Dale St's., facing Dale St. The other church, a half mile away is FAITH LUTHERAN CHURCH on Charles and MacKubin St's. ST MATTHEW"S was a German Lutheran church that had German services on certain days. Both churches are still serving congregates, although St. Matthew's has moved to Lexington and Minnehaha Ave's. Another thought is the Minnesota History Center. A neighborhood newspaper I don't know if there is or was one. That area is referred to as FROGTOWN. Regards, Judy

At 10:02 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: >Hi. I am hoping somebody can help me out. I had German (Prussian) family >that lived on Ellen/Sherburne St. near University and Dale in St. >Paul between >1873 and 1930 or so. I have not had much luck finding obits for these >people that contain names of family members. I am wondering if >there would have >been a neighborhood newspaper in that area that might have done >obits on them >during any of that time period. I believe that they were Lutheran, if that >makes a difference in any resources that might be available. I >would greatly >appreciate any and all suggestions. Thanks. Nancy > You didn't say if you'd tried the German language newspapers -- check out the Ask Ron database on the MN Historical Society website. Mary >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Mary Bakeman [email protected] Ramsey MnGenWeb Coordintor http://www.parkbooks.com/MnGenWeb/ Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com/

Do you know what faith your family was? Many of my German/Prussion Lutheran family attended a rather large congregation called Trinity. (They later split into three churches due to size.) A little of their history can be found connected to Elmhurst Cemetery in Saint Paul. http://www.elmhurstcemetery.org/about.php Many of their original records can be found at the Minnesota Historical Society building in Saint Paul. I also took the liberty of looking up Stuewe and some soundex variations at the www.MNHS.org website. I searched for Stuewe and its soundex variations for maiden names since you had to trace females. You may have done this already but if not, it may help. Good hunting!!! MONCRIEF, LAURA A. Date of Birth: 09/25/1900 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STUEWE certid# 1957-MN-031078 Date of Death: 11/30/1957 County of Death: RAMSEY MUELLER, ANNA BERTHA Date of Birth: 06/09/1895 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STUEWE certid# 1985-MN-027514 Date of Death: 10/06/1985 County of Death: RAMSEY ELLIOTT, STOWE EUGENE Date of Birth: 12/18/1888 Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE Mother Maiden Name: STOWE certid# 1959-MN-030461 Date of Death: 10/07/1959 County of Death: RAMSEY JOHNSON, LENNY LEROY Date of Birth: 01/26/1946 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STOWE certid# 1996-MN-011308 Date of Death: 04/16/1996 County of Death: RAMSEY JOHNSON, LENNY LEROY Date of Birth: 01/26/1946 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STOWE certid# 1996-MN-011308 Date of Death: 04/16/1996 County of Death: RAMSEY MANLEY, JOSEPHINE M Date of Birth: 07/20/1895 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STUWE certid# 1987-MN-016294 Date of Death: 06/30/1987 County of Death: RAMSEY MANTEL, GEORGE A. Date of Birth: 04/24/1912 Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE Mother Maiden Name: STOYE certid# 1984-MN-010192 Date of Death: 04/21/1984 County of Death: RAMSEY LUND, REIDER A. Date of Birth: 03/04/1910 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STAI certid# 1961-MN-015173 Date of Death: 02/11/1961 County of Death: RAMSEY MEYER, MARION E. Date of Birth: 03/29/1905 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STUWE certid# 1987-MN-027124 Date of Death: 10/17/1987 County of Death: RAMSEY PARRANTO, LEONA ELIZABETH Date of Birth: 08/26/1917 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STU certid# 1997-MN-011694 Date of Death: 04/23/1997 County of Death: RAMSEY PERKINS, EARL E. Date of Birth: 11/18/1883 Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE Mother Maiden Name: STOW certid# 1974-MN-002402 Date of Death: 01/10/1974 County of Death: RAMSEY SCHRAMSKE, EVA ANNA Date of Birth: 02/08/1898 Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE Mother Maiden Name: STOWE certid# 1980-MN-029945 Date of Death: 10/09/1980 County of Death: RAMSEY SEARL, STANFORD A. Date of Birth: 08/25/1907 Place of Birth: OUT OF STATE Mother Maiden Name: STAI certid# 1986-MN-007741 Date of Death: 03/06/1986 County of Death: RAMSEY SMITH, RALPH V. Date of Birth: 12/01/1893 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: STOA certid# 1967-MN-007813 Date of Death: 03/04/1967 County of Death: RAMSEY >>> <[email protected]> 4/6/2007 11:19 AM >>> Stuewe (also spelled many other ways) and Mueller. Unfortunately, many of the Stuewe children were female so I have not yet been able to find their married names. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stuewe (also spelled many other ways) and Mueller. Unfortunately, many of the Stuewe children were female so I have not yet been able to find their married names. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

What were the family members names? Dave Gillespie   CEM,  CEP Manager, Energy Programs Corporate Strategy, Policy, and Contracts NJ TRANSIT \\\ One Penn Plaza East 9th Floor Newark, NJ 07105-2246 voice: (973) 491-8522  fax:(973)491-7968 e-mail: [email protected]com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MNRAMSEY] Neighborhood newspaper in St. Paul Hi. I am hoping somebody can help me out. I had German (Prussian) family that lived on Ellen/Sherburne St. near University and Dale in St. Paul between 1873 and 1930 or so. I have not had much luck finding obits for these people that contain names of family members. I am wondering if there would have been a neighborhood newspaper in that area that might have done obits on them during any of that time period. I believe that they were Lutheran, if that makes a difference in any resources that might be available. I would greatly appreciate any and all suggestions. Thanks. Nancy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi. I am hoping somebody can help me out. I had German (Prussian) family that lived on Ellen/Sherburne St. near University and Dale in St. Paul between 1873 and 1930 or so. I have not had much luck finding obits for these people that contain names of family members. I am wondering if there would have been a neighborhood newspaper in that area that might have done obits on them during any of that time period. I believe that they were Lutheran, if that makes a difference in any resources that might be available. I would greatly appreciate any and all suggestions. Thanks. Nancy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear Jana, This is wonderful! Thank you! The only known link Anna [who lived in Detroit, then Chicago (married there) and later San Diego] had with the Twin Cities was that her sister Margaret, and brother-in-law, Charles E. Pounds lived in Minneapolis for a short time prior to moving to Brainerd (Charlie was railroad man) Source #7: C. Wright Davison, Minneapolis City Directory for 1886-7 (Minneapolis: Johnson, Smith & Harrison, 1886), p. 641. Pounds, C. E., eng. b[oards] 800 N 1st [street] [AD Note: Hennepin Avenue, then as now, was dividing street for streets N and S, on the west side of the Mississippi River, as explained in Davison's] [AD note: this information obtained on Twin Cities visit, October, 2003, to the Minnesota History Center, in St. Paul, where I had the pleasure of meeting Kathy Nelson, Jackie Plunkett and Duane Swanson] Source #8: Brainerd City Directory (Brainerd, MN, 1888], p. 154. Pounds C E, eng N P R R, res 62 S 9th [AD note: obtained by Kathy Nelson] Al -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] Photographer in St. Paul Hi Al, I checked the St Paul city directories. Hopefully this gives you a good lead: JH Lucas - Photographer was located at 195 e 7th st in 1886. The person you are inquiring about is actually first listed in the 1887-1888 directory under the name RA Lisk, 195 e 7th st (directory had a typo in his name is all) 1890-91 RA Leisk, 195 e 7th st Robert A Leisk - lives at same address as work 1895 listed on 195 e 7th 1896, 1897 and 1898 listed at 93 e 7th st 1899 listed at 192 Concord 1900 - not listed at all - Leisk is not listed living in St Paul and there is no listing for a photography gallery with him as a photographer. soooo, you can at least date the photo between 1887 to 1895. There is no listing for a Boston Gallery in the directories. At least in these timeframes. another way to check is to search in the city directories for the name of your family member. You may be able to pinpoint the date closer if your family was only here over a specific year in that timeframe or over a couple of years in the time frame. You can do this at the downtown Central library. 2nd floor. They have city directories. The Ramsey County Historical Society will copy city directory pages for you for 25 cents a page plus mailing just contact them at www.rchs.com otherwise there may be people on this list that you can ask - I don't know what they charge. good luck, Jana Armstead -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 6:19 AM Subject: [MNRAMSEY] Photographer in St. Paul Dear List, Al Dawson, [email protected], new poster. I have a photograph of a family member with what looks like the photographer's imprint of R. A. Leists, Boston Gallery, 195 East Seventh Street, St. Paul, Min. I can send it as an attachment to anyone assisting in the dating. I have a guess of c. 1886 due to family migration data. Al ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hi Al, I checked the St Paul city directories. Hopefully this gives you a good lead: JH Lucas - Photographer was located at 195 e 7th st in 1886. The person you are inquiring about is actually first listed in the 1887-1888 directory under the name RA Lisk, 195 e 7th st (directory had a typo in his name is all) 1890-91 RA Leisk, 195 e 7th st Robert A Leisk - lives at same address as work 1895 listed on 195 e 7th 1896, 1897 and 1898 listed at 93 e 7th st 1899 listed at 192 Concord 1900 - not listed at all - Leisk is not listed living in St Paul and there is no listing for a photography gallery with him as a photographer. soooo, you can at least date the photo between 1887 to 1895. There is no listing for a Boston Gallery in the directories. At least in these timeframes. another way to check is to search in the city directories for the name of your family member. You may be able to pinpoint the date closer if your family was only here over a specific year in that timeframe or over a couple of years in the time frame. You can do this at the downtown Central library. 2nd floor. They have city directories. The Ramsey County Historical Society will copy city directory pages for you for 25 cents a page plus mailing just contact them at www.rchs.com otherwise there may be people on this list that you can ask - I don't know what they charge. good luck, Jana Armstead -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 6:19 AM Subject: [MNRAMSEY] Photographer in St. Paul Dear List, Al Dawson, [email protected], new poster. I have a photograph of a family member with what looks like the photographer's imprint of R. A. Leists, Boston Gallery, 195 East Seventh Street, St. Paul, Min. I can send it as an attachment to anyone assisting in the dating. I have a guess of c. 1886 due to family migration data. Al ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.