Can anyone help -- note he may not be on this list, so please respond to him directly. Mary List mom >5 June 2007 Robert Beasecker [email protected] > >KOZER (or KOZAR) family information needed. Specifically Carl (born >about 1872), his wife Louise (born about 1873), and their daughter >Rose (born about 1899). > >They were born in "Russia" (possibly Latvia), immigrated to the U.S. >in 1903 and were naturalized in 1915. I don't know when they >arrived in Minnesota. > >In 1920 Carl and Louise lived at 1475 Harvester in St. Paul; they >were not at that residence in 1930. Carl died 22 Jan 1937 in St. Louis County. > >Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Mary Bakeman [email protected] Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com

At 12:59 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote: >Has anyone else received a census form to fill out? > What kind of census form? A sample, looking forward to 2010? Some local government? Mary >Annie in Minnesota > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone else received a census form to fill out? Annie in Minnesota ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

>From: "Charles Miller" <[email protected]> >Subject: Ramsey County Query >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:09:23 -0500 Can anyone help him? Please note that he may not be subscribed to the list, and so respond directly to him. Thanks! Mary List mom >June 4, 2007 Charles J. >Miller <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > >Earnest H. Tamblyn is listed in the 1930 census as living in St. >Paul, Mn. the county of Ramsey > > >Earnest was born in England in the year of 1894 > > >Would appreciate all the information possible about Earnest H. >Tamblyn and his spouse Anna. > > >Thank you for your effort. > > >Sincerely, Charles J. Miller

I have no idea. Were there very many Catholic churches in St.Paul at that time? dawn baker wrote: > Which area in St Paul did she live? Dawn from MN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mbakeman<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] marriage records > > > On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:51:32 -0500, Sandra Clark wrote > > So if she were married in the Catholic Church, would this > > birth/baptism record be part of the marriage document and could I > > obtain copies if I knew which church she was married in? > > > > Maybe, maybe not. Some records do make a note of the parish in which a person > was baptised, and others don't. Depends on the priest. > Mary > > > > mbakeman wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:17:15 -0500, Sandra Clark wrote > > > > > >>I believe my ggrandmother's sister was married in St.Paul sometime > > >>in the 1880's. She was born in Italy and came to the US when she was > > >>14. Would she have needed to obtain some evidence of her birth or > > >>baptism from Italy before she married (probably in the Catholic > > >>Church)? > > > > > > > > > IF she was to be married in a Catholic Church. Not for a civil ceremony. > > > > > > Mary > > > List mom > > > > > > > > > > > >>Sandy Clark > > >> > > >>------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNRAMSEY- > > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > >>in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNRAMSEY- > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Which area in St Paul did she live? Dawn from MN ----- Original Message ----- From: mbakeman<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] marriage records On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:51:32 -0500, Sandra Clark wrote > So if she were married in the Catholic Church, would this > birth/baptism record be part of the marriage document and could I > obtain copies if I knew which church she was married in? > Maybe, maybe not. Some records do make a note of the parish in which a person was baptised, and others don't. Depends on the priest. Mary > mbakeman wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:17:15 -0500, Sandra Clark wrote > > > >>I believe my ggrandmother's sister was married in St.Paul sometime > >>in the 1880's. She was born in Italy and came to the US when she was > >>14. Would she have needed to obtain some evidence of her birth or > >>baptism from Italy before she married (probably in the Catholic > >>Church)? > > > > > > IF she was to be married in a Catholic Church. Not for a civil ceremony. > > > > Mary > > List mom > > > > > > > >>Sandy Clark > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNRAMSEY- > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >>in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNRAMSEY- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:51:32 -0500, Sandra Clark wrote > So if she were married in the Catholic Church, would this > birth/baptism record be part of the marriage document and could I > obtain copies if I knew which church she was married in? > Maybe, maybe not. Some records do make a note of the parish in which a person was baptised, and others don't. Depends on the priest. Mary > mbakeman wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:17:15 -0500, Sandra Clark wrote > > > >>I believe my ggrandmother's sister was married in St.Paul sometime > >>in the 1880's. She was born in Italy and came to the US when she was > >>14. Would she have needed to obtain some evidence of her birth or > >>baptism from Italy before she married (probably in the Catholic > >>Church)? > > > > > > IF she was to be married in a Catholic Church. Not for a civil ceremony. > > > > Mary > > List mom > > > > > > > >>Sandy Clark > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNRAMSEY- > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >>in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNRAMSEY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

So if she were married in the Catholic Church, would this birth/baptism record be part of the marriage document and could I obtain copies if I knew which church she was married in? mbakeman wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:17:15 -0500, Sandra Clark wrote > >>I believe my ggrandmother's sister was married in St.Paul sometime >>in the 1880's. She was born in Italy and came to the US when she was >>14. Would she have needed to obtain some evidence of her birth or >>baptism from Italy before she married (probably in the Catholic >>Church)? > > > IF she was to be married in a Catholic Church. Not for a civil ceremony. > > Mary > List mom > > > >>Sandy Clark >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNRAMSEY- >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:17:15 -0500, Sandra Clark wrote > I believe my ggrandmother's sister was married in St.Paul sometime > in the 1880's. She was born in Italy and came to the US when she was > 14. Would she have needed to obtain some evidence of her birth or > baptism from Italy before she married (probably in the Catholic > Church)? IF she was to be married in a Catholic Church. Not for a civil ceremony. Mary List mom > > Sandy Clark > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNRAMSEY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I believe my ggrandmother's sister was married in St.Paul sometime in the 1880's. She was born in Italy and came to the US when she was 14. Would she have needed to obtain some evidence of her birth or baptism from Italy before she married (probably in the Catholic Church)? Sandy Clark

And then there was the Gulfsport, Mississippi priest who, during WW2, married my parents for the second time to satisfy my mother's staunch Catholic mother, and wrote across her baptismal certificate that she had been married there. Finding that certificate after my mother's death opened a whole conversation with my father. Pam

Dear Lists, Looking for cousins descended from John William Carr, born February 4, 1887 in Little Falls, MN and died August 12, 1969 in St. Paul.  In between he lived in Montana, Washington State and other points west.  At one time he was a civil engineer, at another, a traveling salesman.  He was married. John William Carr was the son of Robert H. Carr (a railroad engineer) and Jennie Andrews.  Robert was the older brother of my great-grandmother, Margaret M. (CARR) Pounds. If any kind soul can find me his obituary, I'd be happy to pay expenses (or do Iowa research in return) Al Dawson [email protected] iowa City, Iowa (born Detroit, Michigan) ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I have found my Carl Noack listed as Karl, Chas, Charlie, Noach Nowak, Noah. Also, Emil(male) listed as Emma (female) and Larra (male) listed as Laura(female). You just have to keep looking and comparing the information you get to be able to sort out the truth. Also, there is the factor that our ancesters all had accents and often were giving information to English speaking people.Keep on looking, you will find the answers eventually. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 24 May, 2007 13:24 Subject: Re: [MNRAMSEY] LAUF surname >I once saw a book at the MN History Center that translates English names > into German (and vice versa?). I tried helping a man with the name Fox, > who > refused to believe that his family name in German was originally Fuchs. > --I washed my hands of him. > > Anyway, my point is that there might be reference source(s) that will give > hints as to the variations on this name that night help you find them. > > Good luck! > > Kate > > > On May 23 2007, Karen McPherson wrote: > >> I forgot to mention in my previous post about Charles LAUF that I have a >> subscription to Ancestry.com and I can't find any reference to this >> family at all. I've been doing genealogy for over 10 years, but I am >> really stumped by this one! (And in FL so can't do any local research) >> >>Thanks much, >>Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1152 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

At 12:09 PM 5/24/2007, you wrote: >Mary: > >I thought that birth records were only closed if the birth was illegitimate >(depending on when the person was born). Right? Depends on how the record was kept -- if they were all mixed together, you can't actually see any records for 100 years. When my dad died (he was in his 80s, died in the same county he was born in, and I was his executor), I couldn't look at his birth record. They knew me, too! Mary Mary >Kate > >On May 24 2007, Mary Bakeman wrote: > > >At 12:55 PM 5/23/2007, you wrote: > >>I have a copy of the information located in birth index for my > >>grandmothers sister, Dorothy Lucille ANSELMENT. Their are astericks > >>on it and some of the information was written in. It is noted that > >>the information was amended on 3/14/1944 pursuant to an affidavit. > >>How do I find out who filed the affadavit and the reason? > > > >I'm assuming that it is Ancestry.com's birth index you are looking at > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Mary Bakeman [email protected] Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com

I'll see what I can find out. Scott >>> <[email protected]> 5/24/2007 1:14 PM >>> Scott, etc.: Do you think that your contact at the St. Paul Police would know if anyone had knowledge of John O'Connor (O'Connell?--my memory is lousy today), the infamous police chief that let the crooks live in St Paul? I have very strong hints that I'm related to him, but my grandfather threw out anything that would let me trace this. --one of my (O')Sullivans was a pallbearer for John when he died in the 1920's, which in those days often meant a family connection. My grandfather noted (in his little book of family dates) both John's death and that of his brother who died of a sledding accident in the 1890's. Kate Shields On May 23 2007, Scott Renstrom wrote: >Do you know if he was Catholic or Lutheran? It could help greatly in >the search for records. Also, the Saint Paul Police Department has a >historical area set up that may be able to help explore Mr. Lauf's >professional life. A good friend of mine is an Asst. Chief and could >probably lend some aid. > >Scott Renstrom > >>>> "Karen McPherson" <[email protected]> 5/23/2007 4:24 PM >>> >I am trying to help someone in Germany research their family in the >states. We know that Charles (also Carl/Karl) Lauf was born in Germany >in 1836 and immigrated about 1858. He served in the Civil War (PA) and >ended up in St. Paul. He sent two letters from St. Paul to Germany, one >in 1873 and the other in 1876, that my friend has in his possession. >They mention the following things that I hope a St. Paul researcher can >help me with: > >Charles' wife's name was Lizzie, and she died prob. between Jan 1872 >and Jan 1873. Charles purchased a large white Italian marble tombstone >for her gravesite. > >>From the fall of Sept 1872 he was in the St. Paul area and was the >Captain of Police. He had one sargent and 26 enlisted men. He made >$100/month salary. In 1876 he stated that he had been the police captain >for 4 yrs. and had two children. I suspect he had a new wife then, as >he didn't mention any children in the previous letters that he sent. > >If anyone could please lookup LAUF in any of your St. Paul books, I >would really appreciate it. > >Karen > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

P.S. re Civil War soldiers in MN: The History Center has books of indices to the correspondence between Vets living in the area & the offices regulating pensions for Civil War survivors and/or their widows. I found entries for a friend; the index contained a summary of when & where the vet married, etc. --He was Mucho lucky... Kate On May 23 2007, Scott Renstrom wrote: >Do you know if he was Catholic or Lutheran? It could help greatly in >the search for records. Also, the Saint Paul Police Department has a >historical area set up that may be able to help explore Mr. Lauf's >professional life. A good friend of mine is an Asst. Chief and could >probably lend some aid. > >Scott Renstrom > >>>> "Karen McPherson" <[email protected]> 5/23/2007 4:24 PM >>> >I am trying to help someone in Germany research their family in the >states. We know that Charles (also Carl/Karl) Lauf was born in Germany >in 1836 and immigrated about 1858. He served in the Civil War (PA) and >ended up in St. Paul. He sent two letters from St. Paul to Germany, one >in 1873 and the other in 1876, that my friend has in his possession. >They mention the following things that I hope a St. Paul researcher can >help me with: > >Charles' wife's name was Lizzie, and she died prob. between Jan 1872 >and Jan 1873. Charles purchased a large white Italian marble tombstone >for her gravesite. > >>From the fall of Sept 1872 he was in the St. Paul area and was the >Captain of Police. He had one sargent and 26 enlisted men. He made >$100/month salary. In 1876 he stated that he had been the police captain >for 4 yrs. and had two children. I suspect he had a new wife then, as >he didn't mention any children in the previous letters that he sent. > >If anyone could please lookup LAUF in any of your St. Paul books, I >would really appreciate it. > >Karen

I once saw a book at the MN History Center that translates English names into German (and vice versa?). I tried helping a man with the name Fox, who refused to believe that his family name in German was originally Fuchs. --I washed my hands of him. Anyway, my point is that there might be reference source(s) that will give hints as to the variations on this name that night help you find them. Good luck! Kate On May 23 2007, Karen McPherson wrote: > I forgot to mention in my previous post about Charles LAUF that I have a > subscription to Ancestry.com and I can't find any reference to this > family at all. I've been doing genealogy for over 10 years, but I am > really stumped by this one! (And in FL so can't do any local research) > >Thanks much, >Karen

Scott, etc.: Do you think that your contact at the St. Paul Police would know if anyone had knowledge of John O'Connor (O'Connell?--my memory is lousy today), the infamous police chief that let the crooks live in St Paul? I have very strong hints that I'm related to him, but my grandfather threw out anything that would let me trace this. --one of my (O')Sullivans was a pallbearer for John when he died in the 1920's, which in those days often meant a family connection. My grandfather noted (in his little book of family dates) both John's death and that of his brother who died of a sledding accident in the 1890's. Kate Shields On May 23 2007, Scott Renstrom wrote: >Do you know if he was Catholic or Lutheran? It could help greatly in >the search for records. Also, the Saint Paul Police Department has a >historical area set up that may be able to help explore Mr. Lauf's >professional life. A good friend of mine is an Asst. Chief and could >probably lend some aid. > >Scott Renstrom > >>>> "Karen McPherson" <[email protected]> 5/23/2007 4:24 PM >>> >I am trying to help someone in Germany research their family in the >states. We know that Charles (also Carl/Karl) Lauf was born in Germany >in 1836 and immigrated about 1858. He served in the Civil War (PA) and >ended up in St. Paul. He sent two letters from St. Paul to Germany, one >in 1873 and the other in 1876, that my friend has in his possession. >They mention the following things that I hope a St. Paul researcher can >help me with: > >Charles' wife's name was Lizzie, and she died prob. between Jan 1872 >and Jan 1873. Charles purchased a large white Italian marble tombstone >for her gravesite. > >>From the fall of Sept 1872 he was in the St. Paul area and was the >Captain of Police. He had one sargent and 26 enlisted men. He made >$100/month salary. In 1876 he stated that he had been the police captain >for 4 yrs. and had two children. I suspect he had a new wife then, as >he didn't mention any children in the previous letters that he sent. > >If anyone could please lookup LAUF in any of your St. Paul books, I >would really appreciate it. > >Karen > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary: I thought that birth records were only closed if the birth was illegitimate (depending on when the person was born). Right? Kate On May 24 2007, Mary Bakeman wrote: >At 12:55 PM 5/23/2007, you wrote: >>I have a copy of the information located in birth index for my >>grandmothers sister, Dorothy Lucille ANSELMENT. Their are astericks >>on it and some of the information was written in. It is noted that >>the information was amended on 3/14/1944 pursuant to an affidavit. >>How do I find out who filed the affadavit and the reason? > >I'm assuming that it is Ancestry.com's birth index you are looking at >

I need help! I can't find anymore info on my gr-grandmother Mina Winter ZERTLER the obit states that she died July 9, 1893 in St Paul. I don't know where she is buried and I have called and written many of the cemetaries in the area and nobody can help. Mina was born Feb 28, 1844/1846. I have confirmation of both the birth and death dates. Can anybody help - please Thanks Paty C