Hi irma Thank you for your response. Yes I discovered a distant relative in my search recently and she gave me this info. Thank You. They were my father's grandparents. Today I received a copy of the death certificate of Louis Keschnitzke. It was quite exciting as I had been looking for his death record for several years as well. Interestingly though Frances Keschnitzke is buried under this name I believe her death certificate is under Frances Snitska. Thank You. melinda > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:09:43 +0100 (West-Europa (standaardtijd)) > From: "Irma Lommen - Salden" <irmalommen@home.nl> > Subject: Re: [MNHennep] Desperately seeking help on locating > information on my grandmother (with focus on death record). > To: <mnhennep@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <45742C27.000007.03728@CP404229-B> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, > > don't know if you already have this information and don't know if it is > relevant but found the following: > > > > Minnesota Cemetery Inscription Index, Select Counties: > > > > Township:Eagle Creek > > County:Scott > > Name:LOUIS KESCHNITZKE > > Birth Date:1849 > > Death Date:1920 > > Cemetery:St. Mark's Shakopee > > Comments:SP. FRANCES > > Section:395 > > > > Township:Eagle Creek > > County:Scott > > Name:FRANCES KESCHNITZKE > > Birth Date:1851 > > Death Date:1922 > > Cemetery:St. Mark's Shakopee > > Comments:SP. LOUIS > > Section:395 > > > > > > > > Irma > > > > Irma Lommen - Salden > > irmalommen@home.nl > > http://members.home.nl/irmalommen > > >

Hi Robert Thank you again for your response. William James Kohler born in 1915 in Hennepin was my uncle. He has one surviving child presently. However this child has no information on the family history. Ruth A born in 1904 and died 1985 is unfortunately unlikely as in 1904 my grandmother would have been seven years of age. :-) I am sure it is there somewhere but gosh knows where. There was a rumour when i grew up that dad's mother has married about 5 times prior her death. However that seems unlikely as young as I think she was when she died. Is there anyway of ordering marriage records by Surname prior marriage? Kind Regards Melinda Kohler > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:31:43 -0600 > From: robert p mosedale <rmosedale@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [MNHennep] Kohler/Odonnell miasma > To: mnhennep@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20061204.073143.-327443.0.rmosedale@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > It is there somewhere. > > Organize tidbits, etc. by date and get any public records. > > MHS death index has 2 Kohlers of interest who died in Hennepin County. > William James, b 12-15-1915, d 6-29-1981; Ruth A., b 12-15-1904, d > 6-20-1985, mom nee O'Donnell. > > Happy Historical Trails, > > Robert P. Mosedale > Bloodhound Research, P. A. > rmosedale@juno.com > > >

Melinda, Oh dear, no wonder they got divorced, if she tried to kill him. But then we never know the whole story. She may have had good reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melinda Kohler, Kerri and Paula Kohler-Saunders" <mjkohler@xtra.co.nz> To: <mnhennep@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MNHennep] MNHENNEP Digest, Vol 1, Issue 27 > Hi Jackie > > I thought that I would let you know that when i looked at the draft card > it had obviously been filled in after the divorce as care of two > children were cited as being a reason for not going to War. It is > possible that divorce was granted to gertrude on these grounds and she > got to care for them anyway. (Apparantly he had been reluctant to > divorce her and she had tried to murder him) > > He obviously survived the attempt as the 1948 death record is his. :-) > > Kind Regards Melinda >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:41:51 -0800 >> From: "Jackie Ginn" <bluelaker4@cox.net> >> Subject: Re: [MNHennep] Desperately seeking help on locating >> information on my grandmother (with focus on death record). >> To: <mnhennep@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <009a01c71756$22ae8f00$8ef56f4b@Dell> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> There is a WWI Registration card for William A Kohler at Ancestry. It is >> dated 15 Jun 1917 and shows him as single, born May 26, 1895 in St. Paul, >> MN. Registration was in Minneapolis. If you would like a copy, contact me >> privately so that it won't go to the whole mailing list. >> >> There is also one for Joseph Frank Snitzka born 25 Mar 1892, born in >> Chaska, >> MN. Registration also is in Minneapolis. This man is married with >> children, but no names given. However he lists 2 sons (unnamed) under 12 >> who >> are dependent on him. Lived at 2132 Wash No., a mattress worker for >> Bergstene Bros. Again, contact me privately if you want a copy of this. >> >> How certain are you that the 1918 death certificate is not for your >> grandmother? Perhaps the cause of death? Could it be that your >> grandmother >> was burned badly, but did not die of the burns but died of something >> else..perhaps infection or the flu epidemic? There is also a Grace >> Gertrude >> Koehler listed on the Minnesota Death Index, died 5 Jan 1927 in Hennepin >> Co.. I know your father and uncle would not have been small children at >> that time, but teenagers. But that might be worth following up on. >> >> Here is the death record for Joseph Snitzka in case you don't already >> have >> it. >> >> Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002 >> about Joseph Frank Snitzke >> Name: Joseph Frank Snitzke >> Death Date: 19 Aug 1948 >> Death County: Stearns >> State file number: 015825 >> Certificate Number: 015825 >> Certificate Year: 1948 >> Record Number: 1074232 >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MNHENNEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well now Melinda, I am lost - and so are you. 1909 City Directory has Gertrude O'Donnell, widow of William, charwoman at Andrus Building, living at flat 1, 554 8th Avenue North - with Thomas, laborer; William, shoemaker. Lawyer O'donnell in this bldg too, and because book is not indexed by street, census records might reveal who else in building that just might be connected. I could not find marriage for Gertrude 1 in IL marriage records, or anything good at MHS death records, so do that time line and write a narrative, and you will find your way and in several years you may learn of family secrets that you will then wish you did not know. Happy Historical Trails, Robert P. Mosedale Bloodhound Research, P. A. rmosedale@juno.com

Many Thank you's for your response and interest Robert. I am near on 100% sure that Gertrude Snitska/Kohler (nee Odonnell) died in Hennepin. Most records for her and her family are there. I am dubious as to whether she actually did remarry or whether Joseph frank Snitska for whatever reason temporarily used the name Joseph kohler. The reason I have for saying this is that On one of my father's old high School records I came across mention of a guardian Joseph kohler mattress maker. On my father's marriage certificate to my mother it refers to his father as joseph Snitska mattress maker. All other mention of parent or guardian refers to Gertrude Odonnell. The Snitska family was very large. Joseph Frank Snitska had 14 other siblings, I have just recently discovered. They appear to have gone under several variations of Snitska and I have just heard that some of the boys also used the surname Walter at one stage. Probably due to anti german sentiment at the time. I found also a mention of some names in one of the online directory's with reference to 'Kohlas'. I wondered if they had some connection as some of the given names were the same as the Snitska siblings. As mentioned in my first letter the family name was actually keschnitzke. I hope that Gertrude II's death has an obituary somewhere. For some reason my sister thought she may have died when she was 25. This would have made my father 9 and his brother 7. Giving the year of death as approx 1922. Her brother's names were: THOMAS ODONNALD, b. 1893. 1900 u.s. census: district 979, chicago ward 31, cook, illinois 1910 census: Mn, district 63, 3-wd minneapolis, hennepin WILLIAM J ODONNELL, b. 1894. 1900 u.s. census: district 979, chicago ward 31, cook, illinois 1910 census: Mn, district 63, 3-wd minneapolis, hennepin JEREMIAH ODONNALD, b. 1898. 1900 u.s. census: district 979, chicago ward 31, cook, illinois 1910 census: Mn, district 63, 3-wd minneapolis, hennepin JOSEPH ODONNALD, b. 1902, Minneso I have not been able to trace her brother's. Also I have not found any record of gertrude having an occupation. A kind soul has just sent me this info for Joseph Frank Snitska: However he lists 2 sons (unnamed) under 12 who are dependent on him. Lived at 2132 Wash No., a mattress worker for Bergstene Bros All military records for Joseph Frank were destroyed in a fire and I have been unable to request a copy of them. I thank you kindly again for your interest in this. Melinda Kohler > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:05:51 -0600 > From: robert p mosedale <rmosedale@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [MNHennep] Desperately seeking help on locating > information on my grandmother (with focus on death record). > To: mnhennep@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20061203.210551.-273957.0.rmosedale@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Well I was looking for someone in New Zealand from long long ago, so i > will see if i can help here. > > State of Illinois has good records available on web, so you might find > marriage and birth and death records, and then onto local history by > county.. > > Folks often migrated in groups and many Germans came from PA in this era. > Irish were everywhere, it seems. > > 1909 Mpls City Directory - on web - has Snitka and Zeppenfields. > > Now Gertrude IIs death should lead to an obit, and her bros name might > lead to somewhere. > > I did do an extended soundex search on names at Minnesota Historical > Society records index and developed zip. > > And more census records and City Indexes might lead somewhere, and you > could provide more info on occupations, where folks lived and name of > Gertrude 2nd's husband, and there should be a draft card for him, > perhaps, etc....... > > Do a time line and maybe it will help you focus. > > > > Happy Historical Trails, > > Robert P. Mosedale > Bloodhound Research, P. A. > rmosedale@juno.com > > >

mnhennep-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:29:43 EST > From: Hcounter@aol.com > Subject: Re: [MNHennep] Desperately seeking help on locating > information on my grandmo... > To: mnhennep@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d06.39d6a07.32a4fe37@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Did your grandmother have any sisters? > > Annie in Minnesota > My Grandmother did not have any sisters. However she did have brothers. They were: i. THOMAS3 ODONNALD, b. 1893. More About THOMAS ODONNALD: 1900 u.s. census: district 979, chicago ward 31, cook, illinois 1910 census: Mn, district 63, 3-wd minneapolis, hennepin ii. WILLIAM J ODONNELL, b. 1894. More About WILLIAM J ODONNELL: 1900 u.s. census: district 979, chicago ward 31, cook, illinois 1910 census: Mn, district 63, 3-wd minneapolis, hennepin 2. iii. GERTRUDE H ODONNELL, b. 1897, Illinois; d. Minnesota. iv. JEREMIAH ODONNALD, b. 1898. More About JEREMIAH ODONNALD: 1900 u.s. census: district 979, chicago ward 31, cook, illinois 1910 census: Mn, district 63, 3-wd minneapolis, hennepin v. JOSEPH ODONNALD, b. 1902, Minnesota. I have not been able to trace any of these brother's any further. Many thanks for your interest. Kind Regards Melinda Kohler > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MNHENNEP list administrator, send an email to > MNHENNEP-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MNHENNEP mailing list, send an email to MNHENNEP@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNHENNEP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MNHENNEP Digest, Vol 1, Issue 27 > *************************************** > >

Dear Jackie, I noted your response below and I am wondering if you have access to a WWI registration card for Michael Wilson in 1917 he would have been about 23 years old residence Mpls. parents William and Susan born in Canada His 1930 census states he was a veteran of WW. If you are able, I would like a copy. E-Mail is fine. Thank you Michael Gannon Champlin MN > >There is a WWI Registration card for William A Kohler at Ancestry. It is >dated 15 Jun 1917 and shows him as single, born May 26, 1895 in St. Paul, >MN. Registration was in Minneapolis. If you would like a copy, contact me >privately so that it won't go to the whole mailing list. > _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview

Hello, don't know if you already have this information and don't know if it is relevant but found the following: Minnesota Cemetery Inscription Index, Select Counties: Township:Eagle Creek County:Scott Name:LOUIS KESCHNITZKE Birth Date:1849 Death Date:1920 Cemetery:St. Mark's Shakopee Comments:SP. FRANCES Section:395 Township:Eagle Creek County:Scott Name:FRANCES KESCHNITZKE Birth Date:1851 Death Date:1922 Cemetery:St. Mark's Shakopee Comments:SP. LOUIS Section:395 Irma Irma Lommen - Salden irmalommen@home.nl http://members.home.nl/irmalommen This message has been checked for all known viruses by Norton Anti Virus. -------Oorspronkelijk bericht------- Van: Melinda Kohler, Kerri and Paula Kohler-Saunders Datum: 12/03/06 22:28:44 Aan: mnhennep@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [MNHennep] Desperately seeking help on locating information on my grandmother (with focus on death record). I have for quite a few years being trying to find information on my grandmother. I would like to find a record of her death and possible remarriage. I need help for this as I have tried every resource that I can. I have picked up some information about her and I will relay it here so that possibly it will provide someone with a clue to where any record of her may be found. Before I go on I would like to state that I am writing from New Zealand. My grandmother was born *Gertrude H Odonnell* in *Illinois, 1897*. Her parents were William Odonnald and Gertrude Zeppenfield. In the *1900* census Gertrude Odonnell is found with her parents and brothers living in Cook County, *Illinois*. In the *1910* census Gertrude Odonnell is found with her mother and brothers (no father) living in *District 63, Ward 3**, Hennepin, Minneapolis*, In *1913* at 16 years old she is found on my father's birth certificate. He was born August 20, 1913 in Hennepin. He was born Joseph Louise Snitka. (/Snitka is a variation of the family name which I have just discovered after many years of research. This was Keschnitzke. Other variations about are Schnitzka, Snitska etc../.) In *1916* in the Minneapolis City Directory (Hennepin) a Joseph Kohler, Wm. Nary & Co. r. 1926 15th Ave So. Also, a William A. Kohler at the same address. (/I do not have a copy of this but have been given this information./) My father went by the name Joseph louis Kohler, his brother was William James Kohler (/born Snitzke in 1915/). I am unsure of why the name change to Kohler. The obvious reason is remarriage. I need to know if this 1916 entry relates to my father and his brother. If so at the time my father would have been 2 to 3 years old and his brother 1 year. In *1917* my grandparents are divorced. Custody of the children are given to the father (Joseph Frank Snitska). He relinquishes this custody in 1920. *This* *1917 record is the last record I can find of my grandmother.* In *1920* and *1930* my father and his brother are found living with there grandmother. I do not know if she remarried a Kohler and was using the name prior her divorce. I do know that at an early age my father and his brother watched her burn to death from a coal range fire. So even though their father was granted custody of the children they must have been staying with her. I do not know when she died. I can only presume it was prior 1920 as they are with their grandmother then. However that is not certain. I have sent away for the death record of a gertrude koehler who died in 1918. This was not my grandmother. *I imagine any information on her would be in the Hennepin records. I think that I need to be able to search marriage records to have an idea if she remarried after her 1917 divorce. And need divine intervention to find her death record. *Can anyone help me. Thank You Melinda Kohler ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MNHENNEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for information on my Grandfather Paul Crocker's family. He and his mother and sisters moved to Hennipen after the death of his Father Frank R. Crocker (1857-1907). His mother was Mary (Minnie) Arnold Crocker (1858-1915). Elder sister Jess (1888-1958) married Ralph D. Wilcox of Minneapolis, MN in about 1915. They had one son William C. Wilcox (1916-1988). He was born in MN and died there. Jess and Ralph also lived all there lives in MN. Paul's younger sister Mary (1899-1982) lived in MN for the rest of her life. She married James Thompson (div), and second husbands last name was Sweeney. Mary had one son also, James Thompson Jr. who died about 10 years ago in MN. My Grandfather died in 1982 and I was pretty young and not into genealogy as I am now. I am hoping to find descendants of Jess and Ralph. Since she was the eldest her family may have photographs and information on the family. I know so very little about them. And while I am at it one of my Great Grandfather's sisters went to live in MN. He name was Penelope Crocker b. 1852 in Galena Illinois. She married Edward Somerby Stebbins in about 1885. They lived in Minnesota and I gather Edward was a well respected architect. Maybe they have descendants out there too. I would really appreciate any help on this. Thanks so much. Beth

I have for quite a few years being trying to find information on my grandmother. I would like to find a record of her death and possible remarriage. I need help for this as I have tried every resource that I can. I have picked up some information about her and I will relay it here so that possibly it will provide someone with a clue to where any record of her may be found. Before I go on I would like to state that I am writing from New Zealand. My grandmother was born *Gertrude H Odonnell* in *Illinois, 1897*. Her parents were William Odonnald and Gertrude Zeppenfield. In the *1900* census Gertrude Odonnell is found with her parents and brothers living in Cook County, *Illinois*. In the *1910* census Gertrude Odonnell is found with her mother and brothers (no father) living in *District 63, Ward 3**, Hennepin, Minneapolis*, In *1913* at 16 years old she is found on my father's birth certificate. He was born August 20, 1913 in Hennepin. He was born Joseph Louise Snitka. (/Snitka is a variation of the family name which I have just discovered after many years of research. This was Keschnitzke. Other variations about are Schnitzka, Snitska etc../.) In *1916* in the Minneapolis City Directory (Hennepin) a Joseph Kohler, Wm. Nary & Co. r. 1926 15th Ave So. Also, a William A. Kohler at the same address. (/I do not have a copy of this but have been given this information./) My father went by the name Joseph louis Kohler, his brother was William James Kohler (/born Snitzke in 1915/). I am unsure of why the name change to Kohler. The obvious reason is remarriage. I need to know if this 1916 entry relates to my father and his brother. If so at the time my father would have been 2 to 3 years old and his brother 1 year. In *1917* my grandparents are divorced. Custody of the children are given to the father (Joseph Frank Snitska). He relinquishes this custody in 1920. *This* *1917 record is the last record I can find of my grandmother.* In *1920* and *1930* my father and his brother are found living with there grandmother. I do not know if she remarried a Kohler and was using the name prior her divorce. I do know that at an early age my father and his brother watched her burn to death from a coal range fire. So even though their father was granted custody of the children they must have been staying with her. I do not know when she died. I can only presume it was prior 1920 as they are with their grandmother then. However that is not certain. I have sent away for the death record of a gertrude koehler who died in 1918. This was not my grandmother. *I imagine any information on her would be in the Hennepin records. I think that I need to be able to search marriage records to have an idea if she remarried after her 1917 divorce. And need divine intervention to find her death record. *Can anyone help me. Thank You Melinda Kohler

I found it and will send it to your personal email address. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gannon" <mpgannon@hotmail.com> To: <mnhennep@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: [MNHennep] ofline request of WWi draft record > > > > Dear Jackie, > > I noted your response below and I am wondering if you have access to a > WWI > registration card for > > Michael Wilson > in 1917 he would have been about 23 years old > residence Mpls. > parents William and Susan > born in Canada > > His 1930 census states he was a veteran of WW. > > If you are able, I would like a copy. E-Mail is fine. > > > Thank you > > > Michael Gannon > > Champlin MN >> >>There is a WWI Registration card for William A Kohler at Ancestry. It is >>dated 15 Jun 1917 and shows him as single, born May 26, 1895 in St. Paul, >>MN. Registration was in Minneapolis. If you would like a copy, contact me >>privately so that it won't go to the whole mailing list. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MNHENNEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It is there somewhere. Organize tidbits, etc. by date and get any public records. MHS death index has 2 Kohlers of interest who died in Hennepin County. William James, b 12-15-1915, d 6-29-1981; Ruth A., b 12-15-1904, d 6-20-1985, mom nee O'Donnell. Happy Historical Trails, Robert P. Mosedale Bloodhound Research, P. A. rmosedale@juno.com

Did your grandmother have any sisters? Annie in Minnesota

Well I was looking for someone in New Zealand from long long ago, so i will see if i can help here. State of Illinois has good records available on web, so you might find marriage and birth and death records, and then onto local history by county.. Folks often migrated in groups and many Germans came from PA in this era. Irish were everywhere, it seems. 1909 Mpls City Directory - on web - has Snitka and Zeppenfields. Now Gertrude IIs death should lead to an obit, and her bros name might lead to somewhere. I did do an extended soundex search on names at Minnesota Historical Society records index and developed zip. And more census records and City Indexes might lead somewhere, and you could provide more info on occupations, where folks lived and name of Gertrude 2nd's husband, and there should be a draft card for him, perhaps, etc....... Do a time line and maybe it will help you focus. Happy Historical Trails, Robert P. Mosedale Bloodhound Research, P. A. rmosedale@juno.com

There is a WWI Registration card for William A Kohler at Ancestry. It is dated 15 Jun 1917 and shows him as single, born May 26, 1895 in St. Paul, MN. Registration was in Minneapolis. If you would like a copy, contact me privately so that it won't go to the whole mailing list. There is also one for Joseph Frank Snitzka born 25 Mar 1892, born in Chaska, MN. Registration also is in Minneapolis. This man is married with children, but no names given. However he lists 2 sons (unnamed) under 12 who are dependent on him. Lived at 2132 Wash No., a mattress worker for Bergstene Bros. Again, contact me privately if you want a copy of this. How certain are you that the 1918 death certificate is not for your grandmother? Perhaps the cause of death? Could it be that your grandmother was burned badly, but did not die of the burns but died of something else..perhaps infection or the flu epidemic? There is also a Grace Gertrude Koehler listed on the Minnesota Death Index, died 5 Jan 1927 in Hennepin Co.. I know your father and uncle would not have been small children at that time, but teenagers. But that might be worth following up on. Here is the death record for Joseph Snitzka in case you don't already have it. Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002 about Joseph Frank Snitzke Name: Joseph Frank Snitzke Death Date: 19 Aug 1948 Death County: Stearns State file number: 015825 Certificate Number: 015825 Certificate Year: 1948 Record Number: 1074232 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melinda Kohler, Kerri and Paula Kohler-Saunders" <mjkohler@xtra.co.nz> To: <mnhennep@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: [MNHennep] Desperately seeking help on locating information on my grandmother (with focus on death record). >I have for quite a few years being trying to find information on my > grandmother. I would like to find a record of her death and possible > remarriage. I need help for this as I have tried every resource that I > can. I have picked up some information about her and I will relay it > here so that possibly it will provide someone with a clue to where any > record of her may be found. > > Before I go on I would like to state that I am writing from New Zealand. > > My grandmother was born *Gertrude H Odonnell* in *Illinois, 1897*. Her > parents were William Odonnald and Gertrude Zeppenfield. > > In the *1900* census Gertrude Odonnell is found with her parents and > brothers living in Cook County, *Illinois*. > > In the *1910* census Gertrude Odonnell is found with her mother and > brothers (no father) living in *District 63, Ward 3**, Hennepin, > Minneapolis*, > > In *1913* at 16 years old she is found on my father's birth > certificate. He was born August 20, 1913 in Hennepin. He was born > Joseph Louise Snitka. (/Snitka is a variation of the family name which > I have just discovered after many years of research. This was > Keschnitzke. Other variations about are Schnitzka, Snitska etc../.) > > In *1916* in the Minneapolis City Directory (Hennepin) a Joseph > Kohler, Wm. Nary & Co. r. 1926 15th Ave So. Also, a William A. Kohler > at the same address. (/I do not have a copy of this but have been given > this information./) My father went by the name Joseph louis Kohler, his > brother was William James Kohler (/born Snitzke in 1915/). I am unsure > of why the name change to Kohler. The obvious reason is remarriage. I > need to know if this 1916 entry relates to my father and his brother. > If so at the time my father would have been 2 to 3 years old and his > brother 1 year. > > In *1917* my grandparents are divorced. Custody of the children are > given to the father (Joseph Frank Snitska). He relinquishes this > custody in 1920. > > *This* *1917 record is the last record I can find of my grandmother.* > > In *1920* and *1930* my father and his brother are found living with > there grandmother. > > I do not know if she remarried a Kohler and was using the name prior her > divorce. I do know that at an early age my father and his brother > watched her burn to death from a coal range fire. So even though their > father was granted custody of the children they must have been staying > with her. I do not know when she died. I can only presume it was prior > 1920 as they are with their grandmother then. However that is not > certain. I have sent away for the death record of a gertrude koehler > who died in 1918. This was not my grandmother. > > *I imagine any information on her would be in the Hennepin records. I > think that I need to be able to search marriage records to have an idea > if she remarried after her 1917 divorce. And need divine intervention > to find her death record. > > > *Can anyone help me. > > Thank You Melinda Kohler > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MNHENNEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looking to find more information about family George Rielly or Reilly, Josie & Frank Hil? or Hilll and , Nellie, Grace, and Bill. Believe their address in 1940 was 2609 E 22nd Street, Minneapolis, Minnesota. I have a letter dated Feb 21, 1940 from Josie to my Grandmother who died in April 1940. An entry in her memorial book says there was a card or letter from George Reilly, Josie and Frank Hil?

Thanks Shawn & others who have tried to help me-John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawne FitzGerald" <sean@tcq.net> To: <mnhennep@rootsweb.com> Cc: "MNHENNEP-L" <MNHENNEP-L@rootsweb.com>; "John from West Aus" <jwa30513@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MNHennep] Translation > This is a forwarded message >> From: John from West Aus <jwa30513@bigpond.net.au> >> >> I have a card that we think is written in >> Norwegian Is there anyone out there that could >> translate please If so contact me privately At >> jwa30513@bigpond.net.au & I will send a copy by >> attachment THANKING YOU John from West Aus >> > John can do this by email - contact the Norwegian American Genealogical > Association, a branch of the Minnesota Genealogical Society. Contact info > linked from http://mngs.org/branches.shtml. I spoke to the contact > person, Mr. O'Neil, earlier this year. Very nice man. > Shawne in Minneapolis > >

This is a forwarded message > From: John from West Aus <jwa30513@bigpond.net.au> > > I have a card that we think is written in > Norwegian Is there anyone out there that could > translate please If so contact me privately At > jwa30513@bigpond.net.au & I will send a copy by > attachment THANKING YOU John from West Aus > John can do this by email - contact the Norwegian American Genealogical Association, a branch of the Minnesota Genealogical Society. Contact info linked from http://mngs.org/branches.shtml. I spoke to the contact person, Mr. O'Neil, earlier this year. Very nice man. Shawne in Minneapolis

Is there someone here who might be able to help my friend? Elaine This is a forwarded message From: John from West Aus <jwa30513@bigpond.net.au> I have a card that we think is written in Norwegian Is there anyone out there that could translate please If so contact me privately At jwa30513@bigpond.net.au & I will send a copy by attachment THANKING YOU John from West Aus

Remembering my father and his team members from a long time ago. Elaine THE MINNEAPOLIS MARINES: MINNESOTA'S FORGOTTEN NFL TEAM By Jim Quirk The Coffin Corner Volume XX, 1998 There are many obscure small town teams that show up briefly in the records of the NFL for the early 1920s, but one of the least well known is the Minneapolis Marines (APFA 1921, NFL 1922-1924). The Marines, owned by locals Johnny Dunn and Val Ness, had a dismal APFA/NFL W-L-T record entirely consistent with the team's obscurity in the annals of pro football: 1921 1-3-0, 1922 1-3-0, 1923 2-5-2, 1924 0-6-0. But the NFL record of the Marines gives a misleading picture of the team's true standing among the earliest pro football teams, because it was in the pre-APFA/NFL years that the Marines reached their peak as a team. The Marines were organized way back in 1905, as a team of working class teenagers, most of whom lived close to the Cedar/Washington avenue district of the near south side of Minneapolis, about a mile or so south of the present-day Metrodome. The team began play in the 115-pound weight class, and by 1907 had moved up to the 145-pound weight class. It was also in 1907 that the Marines acquired the group of players who constituted the core of the team for the next ten years: Rube Ursella (qb), Walt "Big Boy" Buland (t), Clarence "Sheepy" Redeen (e), Arthur "Dutch" Gaustad (g), Harry Wegfors (c), and Johnny Dunn (hb and captain). In 1909, the team added Mike Palmer (t), Harold Selvig (c,g), Oswald Sundby (fb) and Labe Safro, "the Jewish Lion", (hb) to its list of regulars. Rube Ursella was the true super-star of the team, had a long and successful pro football career with the Marines and the Rock Island Independents, and also played several seasons of minor league baseball (Northern League). Despite his size (5'9, 170 pounds), Ursella was both an offensive and defensive standout, but it was his skill as a kicker -- punting and drop kicking -- that highlighted his 22-year pro football career. Johnny Dunn was the breakaway scat back in the Marines' offense, but, as with the other successful ear1y pro teams, it was the Marines rock solid defense that won most of their games, headed by Buland and Gaustad. The Marines were a rather remarkable team. Up to the 1913 season, no players on the team had any high school or college playing experience -- this was truly a blue collar team. The core personnel of the team remained unchanged for almost ten years. And, once the kids forming the team had grown into the unlimited weight category, from 1910 on, the Marines became the best and then the absolutely dominant "independent" team in the upper Midwest region, right up to World War I. Between 1910 and 19l4, the big game of the year in Minneapolis independent football was between the Beavers and the Marines. The Beavers were also a south side team, but from a more affluent area of town. In contrast to the Marines, most of the Beaver players had college playing experience, many at the college of St. Thomas over in St. Paul. The undefeated Marines won the city title in 1910 by beating the Beavers 6-0, and then saw undefeated seasons go by the boards in 1911 and 1912 with upset victories by the Beavers in the title games, 6-0 and 7-3. After the 1912 loss to the Beavers, there were major changes made in the organization of the team. For the first time the Marines hired an outside coach in Ossie Solem, a standout end with Doc Williams' 1912 Minnesota Gophers, and later a coach at Syracuse and then at Iowa. Solem stayed with the Marines through the 1915 season, and introduced the Minnesota shift and the single wing formation to the team, which had played the old fashioned T-formation up to that time. And, again for the first time, the Marines added ex-college players, headed by the best semi-pro player in the Twin Cities, Bobby Marshall, the first great black player at the University of Minnesota (1903-1906). At 6'2" and 195 pounds, Marshall was a big, tough end, who was almost indestructible. He was still playing charity football games in the Twin Cities in the mid-193Os, when he was over 50 years old. The Marines also added ex-collegians Dewey Lyle and Frank Dries, as well as the future pro star, Fred Chicken. The Marines peaked as a team in the pre-World War I years (1913-1917), under the leadership of Johnny Dunn, who combined playing time with time spent in the front office as manager of the team, before retiring from playing in 1920. In 1913, the Marines won their annual battle with the Beavers 33-0, and in 1914 it was another rout, 48-0. The Beavers disbanded after the 1914 season. Until that time, the Marines had played their home games in the North Side Park; from 1915 on, the Marines made the AA Minneapolis Millers' Nicollet Park their home field. With the Beavers out of the picture, the Marines had no strong local opposition. Johnny Dunn began scheduling out of town games with teams from Duluth, Davenport, and Rock Island, to fill in the Marines' schedule. The annual city independent title game was replaced by a Thanksgiving Day game at Nicollet Park against a team of college All-Stars, featuring ex-Gopher players. The Marines played in this game every year from 1913 through 1923, (excluding the war years of 1917 and 1918) against such players as Johnny McGovern, Bert Baston, George Hauser, Paul Flinn, Paul DesJardien, and the like. From 1913 through 1917, the Marines were undefeated and untied in 34 successive regular season games, but lost to the All-Stars twice and tied them once in the Thanksgiving Day game. Independent football shut down completely in 1918, due to the flu epidemic. When the 1919 season rolled around, Johnny Dunn still headed the Marines, but Marshall, Ursella, Buland, Lyle, and Chicken all moved to the Rock Island Independents, which posted a 9-1-0 record for the year, and staked claim to the pro championship of the country. Four ex-Marines were listed as starters or honorable mentions on the the first all-pro team ever compiled (admittedly, by a Rock Island paper). With their core players gone, the Marines never regained their pre-war form, nor did they draw crowds like the pre-war teams. Johnny Dunn tried valiantly to find a way to keep the team solvent, including joining the APFA in 1921 to bring quality competition into the Twin Cities, but the team went under after the 1924 season. Dunn and co-owner Val Ness attempted to resurrect Twin Cities pro football in 1929 with a new version of the Marines, the Minneapolis Red Jackets (the Marines had worn a uniform featuring red jerseys with red and white striped sleeves), but after one and one half seasons, the Red Jackets also went broke, merged with the Philadelphia Yellow Jackets, and went out of existence. Season Records: 1905-1924 1905 3-0-0 42- 0 1906 no record 1907 4-1-1 57-18 Ends: Benson, Redeen Tackles: Buland, Barbour Guards: Gaustad, Lindquist Center: Wegfors Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Nordly, Hoffman Fullback: Larson 1908 6-0-0 92-5 Ends: Benson, Redeen Tackles: Buland, H. Jonassen Guards: Gaustad, Lindquist Center: Wegfors Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Dunn, C. Jonassen Fullback: Larson 1909 4-1-0 68-5 Ends: Redeen, Mullen Tackles: Buland, Palmer Guards: Gaustad, Peterson Center: Wegfors Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Dunn, Larson Fullback: Sundby 1910 4-0-1 51-0 Ends: Redeen, Mullen Tackles: Palmer, Schroeder Guards: Gaustad, Selvig Center: Wegfors Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Dunn, Larson Fullback: Sundby 1911 3-1-1 86-11 Ends: Redeen, C. Jonassen Tackles: Buland, Palmer Guards: Gaustad, Selvig Center: Wegfors Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Dunn, Hoffman Fullback: Sundby 1912 8-2-0 293-37 Ends: Methven, C. Jonassen Tackles: Buland, Palmer Guards: Gaustad, Tallukson Center: Wegfors Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Dunn, Larson Fullback: Sundby 1913 8-1-0 * 254-39 Ends: Redeen, C. Jonassen Tackles: Buland, Palmer Guards: Gaustad, Selvig Center: Wegfors Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Marshall, Safro Fullback: Sundby * Loss to All Star team 1914 5-1-0 * 233-14 Ends: Redeen, Marshall Tackles: Buland, Palmer Guards: Gaustad, Selvig Center: Wegfors Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Costello, Dries Fullback: Sundby * Loss to All Star team 1915 6-1-0 * 134-7 Ends: Redeen, Marshall Tackles: Buland, Lyle Guards: Gaustad, Palmer Center: Selvig Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Safro, Costello Fullback: Chicken * Loss to All Star team 1916 8-0-1 ** 217-3 Ends: Redeen, Marshall Tackles: Buland, Lyle Guards: Gaustad, Selvig Center: Gunderson Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Safro, Chicken Fullback: Sampson **Tied All Star team 1917 7-0-0 239-38 Ends: Redeen, Marshall Tackles: Buland, Halloran Guards: Gaustad, Dunne Center: Gunderson Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Chicken, Novak Fullback: Sampson 1918 No team 1919 5-2-1 104-67 Ends: Redeen, Christiansen Tackles: Erickson, Palmer Guards: Gaustad, Norbeck Center: Gunderson Quarterback: Dunn Halfbacks: Tersch, Jordan Fullback: Sundby 1920 5-1-2 74-3 Ends: Redeen, Christiansen Tackles: Erickson, Palmer Guards: Gaustad, Tersch Center: Nelson Quarterback: Irgens Halfbacks: Cleve, Sampson Fullback: Jordan 1921 3-4-0 53-55 (APFA 1-3-0 37-41) Ends: Redeen, Christiansen Tackles: Erickson, Palmer Guards: Gaustad, Kramer Center: Gunderson Quarterback: Ursella Halfbacks: Regnier, Dvorak Fullback: Sampson 1922 5-3-0 47-40 (NFL 1-3-0 19-40) Ends: Flinn, Kraft Tackles: Erickson, Tersch Guards: Gaustad, Kramer Center: Mehre Quarterback: Norton Halfbacks: Irgens, Cleve Fullback: Sampson 1923 4-5-2 62-87 (NFL 2-5-2 48-81) Ends: Flinn, Mohe Tackles: Baril, Tersch Guards: Gaustad, Tierney Center: Mehre Quarterback: Kaplan Halfbacks: Cleve, Pahl Fullback: Sampson 1924 2-6-0 28-116 (NFL 0-6-0 14-108) Ends: Christiansen, Mohe Tackles: Dunnegan, Scott Guards: Tierney, Kramer Center: Madigan Quarterback: Houle Halfbacks: Norton, Novak Fullback: Simons Red Jackets 1929 1-9-0 48-185 Ends: Haycraft, Lundell Tackles: Franta, Widerquist Guards: Charpe, Lovis Center: Young Quarterback: Willigalle Halfbacks: Nydahl, Erickson Fullback: Joesting 1930 1-7-1 31-165 Ends: Haycraft, Lundell Tackles: Franta, Ward Guards: Gibson, Steponovich Center: Barrager Quarterback: Pederson Halfbacks: Pharmer, Pape Fullback: Joesting