1930 Minneapolis, Ward 8 Block 305, Hennepin, MN ED 159 sheet 16B 3036 Humboldt Ave So 184 475 Ordemann, Thomas owns $8000 age 78, first married at age 29, Ger, Ger, Ger, immig 1853 naturalized, no occ Sarah M wife age 85, first married at age 16 OH PA PA 1930 Minneapolis, Ward 13 Block 221, Hennepin, MN ED 247 sheet 15A 4018 Colfax Ave South 191 280 Henry G Ordeman, owns $13000, age 44,first married at age 28 Norway Norway Norway, immig 1903, naturalized, city salesman insurance Margaret wife 40, first married age 21 Norway Norway Norway, date of immig unknown, unknown if naturalized Viola dau 19 single MN Nor Nor no occ Margaret dau 16 single MN Nor Nor no occ Evelyn dau 14 single MN Nor Nor no occ Henry Jr son 13 single Mn Nor Nor no occ 1930 St. Paul, Ramsey County, MN ED 154 sheet 6B 2060 Grand Ave 66 137 Ordemann, Harold G, rents, age 34, first married at age 16, MN WI ND chauffeur taxicab Genevieve wife age 40, first married at age 22, MN IL PA, saleslady, department store Betty M, 17 single MN MN MN, saleslady, department store I didn't find a Lillian Ordeman(n) in the 1930 census in Minnesota. Hope this helps. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irmgard und Nikolaus Ordemann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: [MNHENNEP] Searching ancestors and descendants of various ORDEMAN(N)s > In order to get my family tree branches more complete I'm looking for the > parents, grandparents..., spouses, children... of > > - Harold G Ordeman, d.4Jan1963 > - Henry G Ordeman, d. 8Jun1947 > - Lillian E Ordeman, d. 19May1946 > - Margaret S Ordeman, d. 24Dec1989 > - Sarah M Ordeman, d. 9Jan1943 > - Thomas Ordeman, d. 12Aug1930 > > All persons died in Hennepin Co. Spelling could also be Ordemann (double n). > Further biographical data are welcome, as well as the explicit middle names. > > Thanks in advane. > > Nikolaus (Ordemann) > http://www.genealogienetz.de/privat/ordemann The genealogical Ordeman(n) > Homepage > >

Susan, That is the practice if requesting by mail or fax. I had to have my birth record application notarized when I mailed my request in. I'm out of state. It should have said something on the bottom of the form when you requested the certificate. Dan

Just got my letter back from Hennepin County. I had requested my mother's birth certificate. They returned my check and wrote on the letter I had to have it notarized to get the certificate. Is this a new practice? My mother was born in 1910 and died in 1983. Susanne

In order to get my family tree branches more complete I'm looking for the parents, grandparents..., spouses, children... of - Harold G Ordeman, d.4Jan1963 - Henry G Ordeman, d. 8Jun1947 - Lillian E Ordeman, d. 19May1946 - Margaret S Ordeman, d. 24Dec1989 - Sarah M Ordeman, d. 9Jan1943 - Thomas Ordeman, d. 12Aug1930 All persons died in Hennepin Co. Spelling could also be Ordemann (double n). Further biographical data are welcome, as well as the explicit middle names. Thanks in advane. Nikolaus (Ordemann) http://www.genealogienetz.de/privat/ordemann The genealogical Ordeman(n) Homepage

In a message dated 7/14/03 6:19:18 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > In order to get my family tree branches more complete I'm looking for the > parents, grandparents..., spouses, children... of > Nikolaus Have you checked the 1930 census for these people? That would give you names of parents, children, spouses, and siblings. It would also tell you where they resided. And then using that information you can work backward in census records to determine the next generations. Or you could request copies of death certificates from the Minesota History Center, at a cost per certificate. There are people willing to do that for a fee which is less than the MHC charges, but you need to contact them personally - you can find that information on the Minnesota GenWeb page. Jo Hogle

In a message dated 7/13/03 8:24:38 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I think we have answered a lot of other questions that were a lot further > off our path than trying to help someone with a question about a birth > certificate. We listen to petty arguments that used to go on for some time > until Claudia took over. Give people a break, some day you may need advise > Jo a and I hope that someone is there to help you with out turning a deaf > ear. > Excuse me???? Please read my response. I DID give help and explained what she could find on her birth certificate and who to contact to get it. If you have been part of this list for any period of time you know that I offer help and advice willingly and often and have done so for many years. I am the listowner of 29 rootsweb mailing lists and we get questions from people that are not doing genealogy research but find our names with search engines for surnames and areas (such as Hennepin County) so I made the comment in passing to Claudia. It was just a joking comment to a listowner and friend, as I wondered how she had found Claudia as she was wanting her birth certificate for a passport and is not a genealogist or member of the list. But I DID answer the question. Did any of you who have jumped down my throat, on the list or privately, answer her question? I seem to be the ONLY person that DID answer the woman's request for information, and yet I am criticized for a comment made in passing before giving the information she needed. Please don't accuse me of turning a deaf ear or being petty when I was at least willing to answer her question. I didn't see a response from anyone else, including all of you who are so ready to criticize me. My intent was not to offend and I apologize to anyone who took my comment out of context. Jo

Jo, I don't know what I was thinking, read into it wrong. I was tired! lol. Thanks, Claudia Schuman - Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnhennep/ http://hennbios.tripod.com/index.htm http://fdlbios.tripod.com/index.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscott/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [MNHENNEP] Fw: Obtaining an amended birth certificate > Claudia > > Not sure why she is contacting you as this is not a genealogy issue, it is > her own birth certificate that she wants. But aren't you supposed to know > everything? LOLOL > She should contact the Minnesota Vital Records office, just as anyone else > would who needs a copy of their birth certificate. She has to pay the same costs > and she will get a copy that is valid for all purposes, with her adoptive > parents names listed as her parents. Basically it is exactly like any other > certificate, it does not indicate in any way that there was an adoption. > Jo >

I think we have answered a lot of other questions that were a lot further off our path than trying to help someone with a question about a birth certificate. We listen to petty arguments that used to go on for some time until Claudia took over. Give people a break, some day you may need advise Jo a and I hope that someone is there to help you with out turning a deaf ear. Franki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [MNHENNEP] Fw: Obtaining an amended birth certificate > Jo, I don't know what I was thinking, read into it wrong. I was tired! lol. > > Thanks, > > Claudia Schuman - Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnhennep/ > http://hennbios.tripod.com/index.htm > http://fdlbios.tripod.com/index.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscott/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [MNHENNEP] Fw: Obtaining an amended birth certificate > > > > Claudia > > > > Not sure why she is contacting you as this is not a genealogy issue, it is > > her own birth certificate that she wants. But aren't you supposed to know > > everything? LOLOL > > She should contact the Minnesota Vital Records office, just as anyone else > > would who needs a copy of their birth certificate. She has to pay the same > costs > > and she will get a copy that is valid for all purposes, with her adoptive > > parents names listed as her parents. Basically it is exactly like any > other > > certificate, it does not indicate in any way that there was an adoption. > > Jo > > >

My name is Erik ,and I`m licing in Norway. Ì`m trying to trace my great great greatgrandmothers brother`s descendants. What I know is this: Arne Haraldsen Nørstelien ,born in Bagn ,Sør Aurdal ,Valdres ,Oppland County ,Norway 12 Mar 1830. He was married to Anne Karine Jakobsdatter Kattestad ,born 1840 in Vardal ,Oppland County. They emigrated to USA in 1879 (??) ,and had at least 8 children: 1 Halvdan Haraldson ,b. 12 Mar 1859 Torpa. 2 Sigrid Haraldson ,b. 3 Jul 1861 Torpa, 3 Mathea Haraldson ,b. 8 Feb 1864 ,Torpa , 4 Edvard Haraldson ,b. 11 Dec 1866 Torpa , 5 Inger Susanna Haraldson ,b. 1869 Torpa. 6 Andreas Haraldson ,b. 13 Jan 1872 Torpa , 7 Anna Haraldson ,b. 14 Apr 1874 Torpa ,and 8 Klara Haraldsond ,b. 16 Apr 1877 Torpa. They lived in Minneapolis 1880. Inger Susanna called Susanah by then ,and the parents Ahrne and Karine Haraldson. Hope someone can help me with this. Sincerely , Erik in Norway.

Claudia Not sure why she is contacting you as this is not a genealogy issue, it is her own birth certificate that she wants. But aren't you supposed to know everything? LOLOL She should contact the Minnesota Vital Records office, just as anyone else would who needs a copy of their birth certificate. She has to pay the same costs and she will get a copy that is valid for all purposes, with her adoptive parents names listed as her parents. Basically it is exactly like any other certificate, it does not indicate in any way that there was an adoption. Jo

Hi List, I received the following e-mail today and since I have never dealt with any adoptions in my own genealogical research, hopefully someone out there can give this lady some advice?? Her e-mail below. Thanks, Claudia Schuman - Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnhennep/ http://hennbios.tripod.com/index.htm http://fdlbios.tripod.com/index.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscott/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: re: Obtaining an amended birth certificate > Dear Ms. Schuman: > I was adopted in Hennepin County and my original Birth Certificate is sealed. > I would like to obtain an amended copy of it so I can get a passport. How > do I do this? Thank you. > > Nancy King > dob: 8/25/1953 > 1301 Valentine Rd #8 > Kansas City, MO 64111 > (816) 561-2909 > Sybcat @aol.com >

Thanks for the info, Patrick.

In a message dated 7/8/03 5:07:46 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Hi, I`m looking for marriage records of Louis Laramie to Mary Red > Iron/Ta-Te-Doo-Ta/Tateduta/Red Wind (Several spellings/Sisseton Indian), > married by > Father Ravoux about 1842 or 1843 in Mendota(?). Father Ravoux baptized a lot > of > there children; Rosalie Laramie, Louisa Laramie, Edward Laramie, Josephine > Allain, Narcisse McNeal, dates unknown. This family lived at Traverse Des > Sioux > (Near St. Peter, MN). Also looking for info on Andrew McLane who married > Rosalie > Laramie and David Carpenter who married Louisa Laramie (Dates Unknown). > Names > may have spelling errors. If you know of anyone else who may have this > information please forward. Thank you for any help, Patrick. > Patrick Mendota is not in Hennepin County, neither is St. Peter, MN. You may want to send your request to those county mailing lists. HOWEVER... that said, there were few, if any, records for births, baptisms and marriages kept in Minnesota in the 1840's. We did not gain statehood until 1858 after the 1857 territorial census indicated there were enough people to qualify for statehood (but we now know that a large number of those folks were fabricated) You may have to research Father Ravoux to find out where he resided and the community he served. I am assuming he was probably a missionary in the St Peter area working with the native population. The historical society in St Peter might have some information on the early settlement there. Jo Hogle

Hi Claudia, thanks for the info, Patrick

Hi Margit, Louis Laramie b.about 1804 Canada, Wife's name Tatodoota/Tateduta/Mary Red Wind/Mary Red Iron b.about 1824 (Sisseton/Wahpeton Indian) Married by Father Augustine Ravoux in Mendota ********* Kids; Rosalie b.about 1842/1843 MN, *** Josephine Allain b.about 1842/1843 MN (maybe twin), Louisa Laramie b.about 1844 MN, Edward b.about 1846 MN, Narcisse McNeal b.about 1859 MN, Kids supposedly baptized by Ravoux. Kids grew up in Nicolett County. Rosalie married three times (McLane,Roberts,McCoy), Louisa Married a Carpenter, Edward was a scout at Fort Wadsworth which was moved three times between South Dakota and MN, eventually called Fort Sisseton. Don`t know what happened to the rest of the children. Spellings of names vary on different records. Thanks Patrick

Patrick, You can check census records for yourself with a subscription to the census records at www.ancestry.com or www.genealogy.com The 1880 Federal Census is online FREE at www.familysearch.com and if you check with your local library they may have a subscription to Ancestry Plus or Heritage Quest. Claudia Schuman - Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnhennep/ http://hennbios.tripod.com/index.htm http://fdlbios.tripod.com/index.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscott/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: [MNHENNEP] 1800`s Mn & Dakota Territory > Hi Margit, Louis Laramie b.about 1804 Canada, Wife's name > Tatodoota/Tateduta/Mary Red Wind/Mary Red Iron b.about 1824 (Sisseton/Wahpeton Indian) Married by > Father Augustine Ravoux in Mendota ********* Kids; Rosalie b.about 1842/1843 > MN, *** Josephine Allain b.about 1842/1843 MN (maybe twin), Louisa Laramie > b.about 1844 MN, Edward b.about 1846 MN, Narcisse McNeal b.about 1859 MN, Kids > supposedly baptized by Ravoux. Kids grew up in Nicolett County. Rosalie married > three times (McLane,Roberts,McCoy), Louisa Married a Carpenter, Edward was a > scout at Fort Wadsworth which was moved three times between South Dakota and > MN, eventually called Fort Sisseton. Don`t know what happened to the rest of the > children. Spellings of names vary on different records. Thanks Patrick > >

Hi List Members, Looking for all census records for 1800`s surname; Laramie/Laramee, thanks Patrick.

1880 census: Menomonee, Dunn, Wisconsin Ordeman, Gerhart, male, white, 67, married, b. Pruss. parents b. Pruss., works in paint shop Ordeman, Katherine, wife, female, white, 65, b. France, father b. Brunswick, mother b. Eng. Ordeman, Thomas, male, white, 28, married, b. Purss. parents b. Pruss., painter and photographer Ordeman, Margaret, wife, female, white, 32, married, b. Ohio, parents b. Ohio. Wallace, Lillian, stepdaughter, female, white, 17, single, b. Wisconsin, father b. Vt., mother b. Ohio Wallace, Charley, stepson, male, white, 13, single, b. WI., father b. Vt., mother b. Ohio The following from Ancestry World Tree Project: Bise/Higgins Family Research. Contact: Marsha Bise [email protected] > Thomas Ordemann, artist and photographer, Menomonie, son of Gerhard > Ordemann, who was born in Bremen and emigrated to this country in 1853. Mr. > Ordemann, Sr., was a fresco painter; for which business he prepared himself in his > native land. After coming to this country he lived in New York about one > year. He was also a minister of the Baptist Church. He came to Racine County in > 1855, and to Dunn County in 1857, and lived in the town of Spring Brook. > He settled in Menomonie about 1871, where he died 24 May 1881. He had ten > children. His widow and six children survive him. One son, Frederic, enlisted > in the 17th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and died during the war. Thomas > was born in Germany in 1851. He began learning the business of fresco > painting with his father when sixteen years of age. After a large experience, in > which he worked in many of the largest cities of the Union, including St. > Paul, New Orleans, St. Louis, San Francisco, etc., he entered the Art > Academy at St. Louis, where he was a student for several terms. He is now > established at Menomonie as a photographer. His wife was Miss Sarah Stokes, > daughter of Thomas Stokes. [p. 286] > > From "History of Northern Wisconsin, An Account of Its Settlement, Growth, > Development and Resources; an Extensive Sketch of its Counties, Cities, Towns > and Villages." Volume 1. Chicago: the Western Historical Company, A.T. > Andreas, Proprietor, 1881. > <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/#s3">3</A> > > 1920 census: Minnesota, Hennepin, Minneapolis > Ordemann, Thomas, own home, mortgaged, male, white, 68, married, b. Germany, > parents b. Germany, decorator, contractor. > Ordemann, Sarah M., wife, female, white, 74, married, b. Ohio, parents b. > Pennsylvania > > 1920 census: Minnesota, Ramsey, St. Paul > Ordemann, Harold, boarder, male, white, 24, single, b. Minnesota, father b. > Wisconsin, mother b. N. D., Chauffer, post office- government. > > 1930 census: Minnesota, Hennepin, Minneapolis > Ordemann, Thomas, own home, value $8000, 78yrs, married, age first married > 29, b. Germany, Parents b. Germany, Immigrated 1853 > Ordemann, Sarah M., wife, 85yrs., married, age first married 16, b. Ohio, > parents b. Penn. > > 1930 census: Minnesota, Ramsey, St. Paul > Ordemann, Harold G., rent, $30, 34yrs., married, age first married 16, b. > Mn., father b. Wisc., mother b. N.D., chauffeur, Taxicab, in World War. > Ordemann, Genevieve, wife, 40yrs, married, age first married 22, b. Mn., > father b. Illinois, mother b. Penn., saleslady, department store. > Ordemann, Betty M., daughter, 17yrs, single, b. Mn., parents b. Mn., > saleslady, department store. > > 1930 census: Minnesota, Hennepin, Minneapolis > Ordeman, Henry G., own home, 44yrs., married, age first married 28, b. > Norway, parents b. Norway, immigated 1903, city salesman, insurance > Ordeman, Margaret, wife, 40yrs, first married 21, b. Norway > Ordeman, Viola, daughter, 19 years, b. Mn., parents b. Norway > Ordeman, Margaret, daugher, 16 years, b. Mn. > Ordeman, Evelyn, daughter, 14 years, b. Mn. > Ordeman, Henry, Jr., son, 13 years, b. Mn. > > From Social Security Death Index: > Henry G. Ordemann, b. 6 Dec. 1916, d. 30 Dec 2001, last known residence: > Buena Park, Orange, California. Issued in Mn. > Loraine L Ordemann, b. 18 Feb 1908, d. 1 Jan 1997, last known residence: > Minneapolis, Anoka, Mn. Issued in Mn. > Harold G. Ordemann, b. 16 May 1895, d. 4 Jan 1963. Issued in Mn. > Margaret S. Ordemann, b. 6 Feb 1914, d. 24 Dec 1989, last known residence: > Hopkins, Hennepin, Mn. Issue in Mn. > Genevieve Ordemann, b. 12 Jun 1887, d. Nov. 1985, last known residence: > Albuquerque, Bernalillo, N.M. Issued in MN. > > Hopefully this will help in your research. > Bonnie > > > > > >

A new edition to the Hennepin County site: I have just added the names of the January 1947 graduating class of Edison Sr. High School in Minneapolis, and a photo of the participants in the Sr. Class Play. The photo is from the Edison High School newspaper and includes the names of the students who were cast in the play "The Fighting Littles". You can find this under the "SCHOOLS" link on the Hennepin site- http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnhennep/ Take a look, Claudia Schuman - Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnhennep/ http://hennbios.tripod.com/index.htm http://fdlbios.tripod.com/index.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscott/index.htm

Hello Listers, is anybody able to help me find parents, siblings and additional data for - Harold G. Ordeman, b. Minnesota, d. 4Jan1963, Hennepin Co., - Henry G. Ordeman, d. 8Jun1947, Hennepin Co., 63 years old, *** - Lillian E. Ordeman, d. 19May1946, Hennepin Co., - Margaret S. Ordeman, b. Minnesota, d. 24Dec1989, Hennepin Co. - Sarah M. Ordeman, d. 9Jan1943, Hennepin Co., 97 years old, *** - Thomas Ordeman, d. 12Aug1930, Hennepin Co., 79 years old,*** *** buried Lakewood Cemetery, Minneapolis. TIA Nikolaus (Ordemann) http://www.genealogienetz.de/privat/ordemann The genealogical Ordeman(n) Homepage