USGW bylaws are merely a framework of the national organization. Further basic rules beyond the framework as decided upon by states are still basic rules. States are free and in fact, encouraged to make rules that apply to their own state. Rules for MNGenWeb are part of getting this state up to snuff as quite obviously the USGenWeb bylaws did not help keep this state from going under. I realize the "old timers" here are uncomfortable with the activity but you have a choice to make, enjoy the silence because the state is a shambles or join the newcomers and set the state on the right path. I personally have complained to the two previous NCs about several MN counties in the past 3-7 years. I provided the last couple of emails to Denise to demonstrate it was not just one person complaining one time. I complained when the prior leadership team never responded to my emails which then sent my complaints to the two NCs. So I guess you will have to excuse my irritation with the way things "used" to be. Tim, you may have done well with limited rules and emails in your counties but there were lots of dead counties that had had nothing added in 10 years or more. Allowing that to evolve was a mistake but we can make sure it doesn't happen again. Verbose means using more words than are needed. I am pretty sure Tim and myself are the verbose ones here with our long emails and I me being the longer winded of the two of us. LOL As far as the issue of "new management", this not only pertains to new leadership people but the management framework of this organization. The USGenWeb now requires that leaders be elected which is a change from an SC being SC for an indeterminate number of years. The direction of the USGW project has changed over the years, moving on to providing online data rather than just links. I think the lack of previous list mail has not only kept CCs in the dark but they have not been provided with national news for a good long time. I will forgive the "oldtimers" for thinking this list is verbose and ask the "oldtimers" to forgive the newcomers for their perhaps excess energy in getting this project on it's feet. We don't all have to agree to work together, but we definitely all need to work together to meet the goal of resurrecting MNGenWeb. Good discussion, Karen On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Timothy Stowell via <[email protected]> wrote: > >From 1997 or thereabouts until the early 2000s, this was a quiet list. The > SCs did their things, the CCs theirs. Perhaps we weren't as curious or > chatty as others would have had us be. People who wanted information > usually just wrote the SC privately and asked. > > Long after MNGenWeb lost its leadership, apparently USGenWeb was asleep and > not only for Minnesota but for several other states as well. At least the > current NC is doing something to rectify that. > > While I know who the NC was before the current one, I rather gather this > has been an issue for more than one NC prior to the current one. > > Of course any member can post what they want regarding the project, what > additions they've made to their site, share methods, URLs and the like. > > Yes to basic rules, but as members of USGenWeb basic rules already exist. > Thus any rules created by this group would be beyond the basics. > > As for 'lots of business' would generate lots of email, such is true. > However, as I recall, that business to date is exactly two things, > selection of a new logo and selection of new management. So forgive me if > us old timers in MNGenWeb find the list a bit verbose. Not as verbose mind > you as some other states but still verbose. > > TIC, > > Tim > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Karen De Groote via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Long before MNGenWeb lost their leadership team, there were many counties > > that were stagnant and missing. During this time it was peace and quiet > as > > Tim has mentioned. Perhaps if there was no peace and quiet those > counties > > would be updated or not missing? I LOVE talking to other CCs and get > loads > > of ideas from others and what they are doing on their sites. We don't > need > > to hide our candles under the bushel basket and it is truly sad to me > that > > any fellow CC does not want basic rules or talking on this list. Yes I > can > > understand inappropriate posts like someone's grandbaby or spouse doing > > something noteworthy. I would be the first to complain about that but > > these posts are project business and CCs need a voice. > > > > I know that this profuse amount of email right now is a temporary thing > and > > it will calm down eventually but I do not want ANYONE thinking they > cannot > > ask a question of their fellow CCs on this list or share something they > > have discovered. It will not go back to the years of no emails ever > again > > and that is a good thing. This list is for official project business and > > with lots of business comes lots of emails. > > > > Karen > > Becker, Todd and Stearns > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >