Posted yesterday afternoon to Facebook and ending this discussion from me: "Pride will bite you in the hindquarters. I fell on mine a few minutes ago. Walking down a hill gingerly, or so I thought, I hit the slimy mud just so and a sudden thud of the wet and slimy mud, my backside flatish, my coat and pants came together in a jarring occurrence of uncomfortableness and my neck jerked in a sudden resistance so I'm sure soreness will shortly ensue. Aren't we having a lovely day?" IE - I have injuries to nurse, data to put on line, the day off due to ice. Tim On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Karen De Groote via <[email protected]> wrote: > USGW bylaws are merely a framework of the national organization. Further > basic rules beyond the framework as decided upon by states are still basic > rules. States are free and in fact, encouraged to make rules that apply to > their own state. Rules for MNGenWeb are part of getting this state up to > snuff as quite obviously the USGenWeb bylaws did not help keep this state > from going under. > > I realize the "old timers" here are uncomfortable with the activity but you > have a choice to make, enjoy the silence because the state is a shambles or > join the newcomers and set the state on the right path. I personally have > complained to the two previous NCs about several MN counties in the past > 3-7 years. I provided the last couple of emails to Denise to demonstrate > it was not just one person complaining one time. I complained when the > prior leadership team never responded to my emails which then sent my > complaints to the two NCs. So I guess you will have to excuse my > irritation with the way things "used" to be. Tim, you may have done well > with limited rules and emails in your counties but there were lots of dead > counties that had had nothing added in 10 years or more. Allowing that to > evolve was a mistake but we can make sure it doesn't happen again. > > Verbose means using more words than are needed. I am pretty sure Tim and > myself are the verbose ones here with our long emails and I me being the > longer winded of the two of us. LOL As far as the issue of "new > management", this not only pertains to new leadership people but the > management framework of this organization. The USGenWeb now requires that > leaders be elected which is a change from an SC being SC for an > indeterminate number of years. The direction of the USGW project has > changed over the years, moving on to providing online data rather than just > links. I think the lack of previous list mail has not only kept CCs in the > dark but they have not been provided with national news for a good long > time. > > I will forgive the "oldtimers" for thinking this list is verbose and ask > the "oldtimers" to forgive the newcomers for their perhaps excess energy in > getting this project on it's feet. We don't all have to agree to work > together, but we definitely all need to work together to meet the goal of > resurrecting MNGenWeb. > > Good discussion, > Karen > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Timothy Stowell via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >From 1997 or thereabouts until the early 2000s, this was a quiet list. > The > > SCs did their things, the CCs theirs. Perhaps we weren't as curious or > > chatty as others would have had us be. People who wanted information > > usually just wrote the SC privately and asked. > > > > Long after MNGenWeb lost its leadership, apparently USGenWeb was asleep > and > > not only for Minnesota but for several other states as well. At least > the > > current NC is doing something to rectify that. > > > > While I know who the NC was before the current one, I rather gather this > > has been an issue for more than one NC prior to the current one. > > > > Of course any member can post what they want regarding the project, what > > additions they've made to their site, share methods, URLs and the like. > > > > Yes to basic rules, but as members of USGenWeb basic rules already exist. > > Thus any rules created by this group would be beyond the basics. > > > > As for 'lots of business' would generate lots of email, such is true. > > However, as I recall, that business to date is exactly two things, > > selection of a new logo and selection of new management. So forgive me > if > > us old timers in MNGenWeb find the list a bit verbose. Not as verbose > mind > > you as some other states but still verbose. > > > > TIC, > > > > Tim > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Karen De Groote via <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > Long before MNGenWeb lost their leadership team, there were many > counties > > > that were stagnant and missing. During this time it was peace and > quiet > > as > > > Tim has mentioned. Perhaps if there was no peace and quiet those > > counties > > > would be updated or not missing? I LOVE talking to other CCs and get > > loads > > > of ideas from others and what they are doing on their sites. We don't > > need > > > to hide our candles under the bushel basket and it is truly sad to me > > that > > > any fellow CC does not want basic rules or talking on this list. Yes I > > can > > > understand inappropriate posts like someone's grandbaby or spouse doing > > > something noteworthy. I would be the first to complain about that but > > > these posts are project business and CCs need a voice. > > > > > > I know that this profuse amount of email right now is a temporary thing > > and > > > it will calm down eventually but I do not want ANYONE thinking they > > cannot > > > ask a question of their fellow CCs on this list or share something they > > > have discovered. It will not go back to the years of no emails ever > > again > > > and that is a good thing. This list is for official project business > and > > > with lots of business comes lots of emails. > > > > > > Karen > > > Becker, Todd and Stearns > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >