SC candidates: Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on before enacting. Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can amend state guidelines these at will. Chuck Dosh Dakota County, MN On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> wrote: > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would > be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. > > Shirley > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will >> generating some bylaws for us to vote on be. >> Mike >> >> From: Shirley >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM >> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, >> >> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. >> Simple guidelines help everyone in the long run. >> >> Shirley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that >>> help CC' >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not >>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides >>>> for the proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are >>>> requirements for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. >>>> If I am missing it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. >>>> >>>> USGenWeb Bylaw >>>> >>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS >>>> >>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required >>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. >>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: >>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be >>>> linked to the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be >>>> required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that >>>> state. If linked, a state project logo may only be linked to the >>>> appropriate state site.” >>>> >>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep >>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the >>>> state had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. >>>> >>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws >>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We >>>> can have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to >>>> spend a lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on >>>> this list because there are no rules. >>>> Mike >>>> Clay Co >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Karen De Groote via >>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM >>>> To: List MNGenWeb >>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo >>>> >>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index >>>> page and >>>> the banner can be on all other pages. >>>> Karen >>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim, >>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >>>>> Now, my question. >>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some members feel the need to have rules in place to guide them beyond the national bylaws, thus it seems that perhaps some guidelines to further expand upon the national bylaws may be a good thing. Such should be created by a committee of CCs, report back to the SC, who should verify that they do not conflict with the national bylaws, before placing it before the membership for a vote, either item by item or as one full set. Priorities - in tandem: - state site redesign - SC / ASC responsibility - search for coordinators to fill empty slots - SC / ASC responsibility, mainly but others can recommend or ask friends, folks they run into if they would be interested in such - form rules committee (volunteers and/or appointees) 4-5 members, reporting back to the SC within a set time period - appoint ASC and/or support team Bylaws / Guidelines - bylaws, rules one must follow to be a member of MNGenWeb, which may or may not entail hosting a county. This would mainly cover items not already mentioned in the national bylaws. It seems redundant to repeat the national bylaws in state bylaws. However, they may also cover items like what we do when the team leaders vanish without explanation for more than a set period of time. I do not expect the SC to be on duty 24/7 and not every day because life, illness has twists and turns we can not predict. It would be hopeful that the SC/ASC are in contact with each other as much as possible. Bylaws can never cover every possible item that may come up down the road. People down the road will question what was in the minds of the framers of the bylaws and if none of those are present, it would be anyone's guess. Guidelines often explain bylaws beyond what was written in laymen's terms. Suggestions - suggestions for county coordinators to place on their site, tools that may assist visitors (like a search function), web stats (so the coordinator knows what visitors are looking for); where to find material for web sites. I trust that answers your questions Mike and Chuck? Respectfully, Tim Traverse, Wilkin and Yellow Medicine counties On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Chuck Dosh via <[email protected]> wrote: > SC candidates: > > Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. > > Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on > before enacting. > > Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can > amend state guidelines these at will. > > Chuck Dosh > Dakota County, MN > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would > > be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. > > > > Shirley > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will > >> generating some bylaws for us to vote on be. > >> Mike > >> > >> From: Shirley > >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM > >> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, > >> > >> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. > >> Simple guidelines help everyone in the long run. > >> > >> Shirley > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that > >>> help CC' > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not > >>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides > >>>> for the proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are > >>>> requirements for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. > >>>> If I am missing it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. > >>>> > >>>> USGenWeb Bylaw > >>>> > >>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > >>>> > >>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > >>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required > >>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. > >>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: > >>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > >>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be > >>>> linked to the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be > >>>> required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > >>>> state. If linked, a state project logo may only be linked to the > >>>> appropriate state site.” > >>>> > >>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep > >>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the > >>>> state had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. > >>>> > >>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws > >>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We > >>>> can have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to > >>>> spend a lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on > >>>> this list because there are no rules. > >>>> Mike > >>>> Clay Co > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Karen De Groote via > >>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM > >>>> To: List MNGenWeb > >>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo > >>>> > >>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index > >>>> page and > >>>> the banner can be on all other pages. > >>>> Karen > >>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Tim, > >>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. > >>>>> Now, my question. > >>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Bylaws are the rules that every volunteer in the project must adhere to and must be voted on by the membership. I think all members should have input into the rules and the opportunity to discuss the issues. An important issue for bylaws is that all members, including the SC & ASC, are required to follow them. Guidelines are merely suggestions and should include items to enhance the county websites. Shirley On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Chuck Dosh <[email protected]> wrote: > SC candidates: > > Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. > > Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on > before enacting. > > Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can > amend state guidelines these at will. > > Chuck Dosh > Dakota County, MN > > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would >> be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. >> >> Shirley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will generating >>> some bylaws for us to vote on be. >>> Mike >>> >>> From: Shirley >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM >>> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, >>> >>> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. Simple >>> guidelines help everyone in the long run. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that help >>>> CC' >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not >>>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides for the >>>>> proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are requirements >>>>> for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am missing >>>>> it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. >>>>> >>>>> USGenWeb Bylaw >>>>> >>>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS >>>>> >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required >>>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. >>>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be linked to >>>>> the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required depending >>>>> on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a state >>>>> project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” >>>>> >>>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep >>>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the state >>>>> had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. >>>>> >>>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws >>>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We can >>>>> have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to spend a >>>>> lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list >>>>> because there are no rules. >>>>> Mike >>>>> Clay Co >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Karen De Groote via >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM >>>>> To: List MNGenWeb >>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo >>>>> >>>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index page >>>>> and >>>>> the banner can be on all other pages. >>>>> Karen >>>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Tim, >>>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >>>>>> Now, my question. >>>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Shirley, Thank you for the concise information on the difference between Guidelines and By-Laws. One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to re-invent some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out over time in the USGW. I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard for the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local [State] level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', the whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If we are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves time to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. Martha

I just want to "second" what Martha just said. Kermit Kittleson On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < [email protected]> wrote: > Shirley, > Thank you for the concise information on the difference between > Guidelines and By-Laws. > One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to re-invent > some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out > over time in the USGW. > > I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard for > the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should > be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local [State] > level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. > > As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', the > whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If we > are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves time > to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. > > Martha > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning. Without restating everything regarding this, I agree with what Martha has stated in her response. (In fact, based on what I have read, the candidates for SC are in favor of establishing MN state bylaws, with accompanying rules.) Any bylaws approved by the members, should "enhance" the Project-not detract from it (to quote Martha.) YES! Right on! My approach would be to ask for volunteers from the members, establishing a "committee" to put together a group of bylaws. These in turn would be presented to the membership for discussion and a vote. The rules also would be formulated and presented in much the same manner. "Together" the MEMBERS would establish & vote to set the bylaws and the rules. Most importantly it is essential that the CCs be proactive in finding & transcribing data, recruiting others to help, uploading the free data to the county, presenting the ancestor data for the MN visiting researchers to find. Everyone have a great weekend! Happy Hearts Day! Linda Ziemann Candidate for SC Rock County Coordinator On 2/13/15, 10:21 PM, "Kermit Kittleson via" <[email protected]> wrote: > I just want to "second" what Martha just said. > > Kermit Kittleson > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Shirley, >> Thank you for the concise information on the difference between >> Guidelines and By-Laws. >> One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to re-invent >> some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out >> over time in the USGW. >> >> I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard for >> the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should >> be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local [State] >> level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. >> >> As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', the >> whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If we >> are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves time >> to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. >> >> Martha >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Do you see no use for committees? Are you saying that every subject should be "discussed" without process so that ideas are tossed in willy nilly and confusion reigns or people are seconding items like a meeting was occurring and then feelings get hurt because someone misspeaks? It seems redundant to say that all members including the SC/ASC, since the SC/ASC are members. There are bylaws that state what happens in the case of a vacancy and give guidance. Often bylaws seek to control the actions of others rather than freeing their creativity. In the beginning of USGenWeb, the founder wanted a group of volunteers to put up web sites that would freely give information to the public for genealogical research. That included offering a space for people's queries. A national logo was created and most states created one as well. Even early on a power struggle began and at some point the founder was sidelined. It was a simple time back then (1996). Ideas of data and sources poured in. People shared, cared, helped. There was gentle teasing. Some folks wanted more requirements of coordinators - beyond a logo, links, queries. By 1999, some thought we needed national bylaws to codify rules for everyone. A committee was formed to take suggestions and wrote, revised over and over and over. Then the tempo rose, the yelling began and much like a church split, a political party split or implosion, people started taking sides. Of course there were many who were either intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out national and turned back to their web sites. I just don't want to see the same thing happen here. Tim On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Shirley Cullum via <[email protected]> wrote: > Bylaws are the rules that every volunteer in the project must adhere to and > must be voted on by the membership. I think all members should have input > into the rules and the opportunity to discuss the issues. An important > issue for bylaws is that all members, including the SC & ASC, are required > to follow them. > > Guidelines are merely suggestions and should include items to enhance the > county websites. > > Shirley > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Chuck Dosh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > SC candidates: > > > > Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. > > > > Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on > > before enacting. > > > > Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can > > amend state guidelines these at will. > > > > Chuck Dosh > > Dakota County, MN > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would > >> be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. > >> > >> Shirley > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will > generating > >>> some bylaws for us to vote on be. > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> From: Shirley > >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM > >>> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, > >>> > >>> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. > Simple > >>> guidelines help everyone in the long run. > >>> > >>> Shirley > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that > help > >>>> CC' > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not > >>>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides > for the > >>>>> proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are > requirements > >>>>> for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am > missing > >>>>> it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. > >>>>> > >>>>> USGenWeb Bylaw > >>>>> > >>>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > >>>>> > >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > >>>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required > >>>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. > >>>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July > 2010: > >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > >>>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be > linked to > >>>>> the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required > depending > >>>>> on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a > state > >>>>> project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” > >>>>> > >>>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep > >>>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the > state > >>>>> had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws > >>>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We > can > >>>>> have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to > spend a > >>>>> lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list > >>>>> because there are no rules. > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> Clay Co > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: Karen De Groote via > >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM > >>>>> To: List MNGenWeb > >>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo > >>>>> > >>>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index > page > >>>>> and > >>>>> the banner can be on all other pages. > >>>>> Karen > >>>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Tim, > >>>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. > >>>>>> Now, my question. > >>>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

There are 3 things many people are confused about: ByLaws Standing Rules Guidelines Bylaws are basically the "constitution" of an organization and deal with roles, duties of those roles succession, how we elect our leaders etc Standing Rules are just that Rules that are the standard for the organization and all must comply, in other words the Standard Operating Procedures that deal with the daily operation of an organization. They stand the test of time. USGW improperly uses the term Guidelines, when it should be Standing Rules or SOP.. and then there are Guidelines, which by the very nature of the name are not rules but merely suggestions to make things easier. Guidelines have no place with in the ByLaws, standing Rules can be a part and parcel of the bylaws, just like standing committees are. That being said, it is my opinion that the bylaws should be developed with in a committee and presented to the membership by that committee for review, discussion, revision and voting one article at a time. When done that way, by the time the last article is voted on a document has been installed as the governing rules. That same committee can also develop and present for review, discussion, revision and voting in much the same way the Standing Rules and Guidelines. it would be utter chaos to try and do it without a committee! Laverne On 2/14/2015 12:42 AM, Timothy Stowell via wrote: > Do you see no use for committees? > > Are you saying that every subject should be "discussed" without process so > that ideas are tossed in willy nilly and confusion reigns or people are > seconding items like a meeting was occurring and then feelings get hurt > because someone misspeaks? > > It seems redundant to say that all members including the SC/ASC, since the > SC/ASC are members. > > There are bylaws that state what happens in the case of a vacancy and give > guidance. Often bylaws seek to control the actions of others rather than > freeing their creativity. > > In the beginning of USGenWeb, the founder wanted a group of volunteers to > put up web sites that would freely give information to the public for > genealogical research. That included offering a space for people's > queries. A national logo was created and most states created one as well. > Even early on a power struggle began and at some point the founder was > sidelined. > > It was a simple time back then (1996). Ideas of data and sources poured > in. People shared, cared, helped. There was gentle teasing. > > Some folks wanted more requirements of coordinators - beyond a logo, links, > queries. By 1999, some thought we needed national bylaws to codify rules > for everyone. A committee was formed to take suggestions and wrote, > revised over and over and over. Then the tempo rose, the yelling began and > much like a church split, a political party split or implosion, people > started taking sides. Of course there were many who were either > intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out > national and turned back to their web sites. > > I just don't want to see the same thing happen here. > > Tim > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Shirley Cullum via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Bylaws are the rules that every volunteer in the project must adhere to and >> must be voted on by the membership. I think all members should have input >> into the rules and the opportunity to discuss the issues. An important >> issue for bylaws is that all members, including the SC & ASC, are required >> to follow them. >> >> Guidelines are merely suggestions and should include items to enhance the >> county websites. >> >> Shirley >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Chuck Dosh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> SC candidates: >>> >>> Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. >>> >>> Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on >>> before enacting. >>> >>> Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can >>> amend state guidelines these at will. >>> >>> Chuck Dosh >>> Dakota County, MN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would >>>> be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. >>>> >>>> Shirley >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will >> generating >>>>> some bylaws for us to vote on be. >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> From: Shirley >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM >>>>> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, >>>>> >>>>> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. >> Simple >>>>> guidelines help everyone in the long run. >>>>> >>>>> Shirley >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that >> help >>>>>> CC' >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not >>>>>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides >> for the >>>>>>> proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are >> requirements >>>>>>> for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am >> missing >>>>>>> it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> USGenWeb Bylaw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>>>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required >>>>>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. >>>>>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July >> 2010: >>>>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>>>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be >> linked to >>>>>>> the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required >> depending >>>>>>> on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a >> state >>>>>>> project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep >>>>>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the >> state >>>>>>> had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws >>>>>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We >> can >>>>>>> have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to >> spend a >>>>>>> lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list >>>>>>> because there are no rules. >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> Clay Co >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Karen De Groote via >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM >>>>>>> To: List MNGenWeb >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index >> page >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the banner can be on all other pages. >>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim, >>>>>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >>>>>>>> Now, my question. >>>>>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can identify with that. This would be me: > Of course there were many who were either > intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out > national I started my genealogy addiction with the KYGen mailing list on the KY edu mail servers. Met Jeff Murphy there and his excitement to create KYGenWeb (on rootsweb in those days) was highly infectious. We talked about the concept of people posting GedComs on the web and, eventually, WorldConnect was born. Those were fun times and I’m sure Jeff is still smiling down on us from above. This whole rootsweb and USGenWeb project would certainly make his heart swell with pride in a job well done. I’m just sorry that rootsweb sold out to ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/>. But I understand why they did. However (it’s just me, not you) I do not care for the politics and debates. Too often it degrades into negativity and I just don’t want to spend my remaining time on earth that way. I still work, often at two jobs. So there’s a lot of this e-mail about banners vs logos and guidelines vs by-laws that I have not read. We’ve had *hundreds* of e-mails since early October and I legitimately can’t keep up with it. I get enough of policies, SOPs, copyrights, guidelines, and we coulda/shoulda/woulda at my day job. I don’t want to deal with it in my hobbies. That is a long way of saying that I’d be all for a committee, or two, of people that really care about stuff like that and DO want to devote part of their lives to it. Can I nominate the current SC nominees before the window is even open for nominations? ;) Just tell me when you’ve got something to vote on and if the outcome matters to me, I will vote. Meanwhile, I’m looking for Stensrud and Bickel families that may care about this photograph: http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bickel&GSfn=Marvel&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=60327480&df=all& <http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bickel&GSfn=Marvel&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=60327480&df=all&> Marvel was born in Freeborn county in 1913 and died in Blue Earth county in 2012. Tiffany has more photographs that she is researching as well. Marilyn, from the Carver Co Historical Society, has potentially located some LOUGH descendants to claim some old photos that Shelley found. I’m very excited about that. It’s what this is all about and I am pleased that I was able to play a small part in making that connection. Happy Valentines Day everyone. Carpe Diem! Kathy > On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Timothy Stowell via <[email protected]> wrote: > > It was a simple time back then (1996). Ideas of data and sources poured > in. People shared, cared, helped. There was gentle teasing. > > Some folks wanted more requirements of coordinators - beyond a logo, links, > queries. By 1999, some thought we needed national bylaws to codify rules > for everyone. A committee was formed to take suggestions and wrote, > revised over and over and over. Then the tempo rose, the yelling began and > much like a church split, a political party split or implosion, people > started taking sides. Of course there were many who were either > intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out > national and turned back to their web sites. > > I just don't want to see the same thing happen here. > > Tim >

I did not say that. What I said is that all members should have an input in the rules that will possibly govern the project. Yes, SC's and ASC's are members of the project but sometimes they forget that the rules apply to them. That does not mean that it will happen in MN but just that it has happened in other projects. Shirley On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Timothy Stowell via <[email protected]> wrote: > Do you see no use for committees? > > Are you saying that every subject should be "discussed" without process so > that ideas are tossed in willy nilly and confusion reigns or people are > seconding items like a meeting was occurring and then feelings get hurt > because someone misspeaks? > > It seems redundant to say that all members including the SC/ASC, since the > SC/ASC are members. > > There are bylaws that state what happens in the case of a vacancy and give > guidance. Often bylaws seek to control the actions of others rather than > freeing their creativity. > > In the beginning of USGenWeb, the founder wanted a group of volunteers to > put up web sites that would freely give information to the public for > genealogical research. That included offering a space for people's > queries. A national logo was created and most states created one as well. > Even early on a power struggle began and at some point the founder was > sidelined. > > It was a simple time back then (1996). Ideas of data and sources poured > in. People shared, cared, helped. There was gentle teasing. > > Some folks wanted more requirements of coordinators - beyond a logo, links, > queries. By 1999, some thought we needed national bylaws to codify rules > for everyone. A committee was formed to take suggestions and wrote, > revised over and over and over. Then the tempo rose, the yelling began and > much like a church split, a political party split or implosion, people > started taking sides. Of course there were many who were either > intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out > national and turned back to their web sites. > > I just don't want to see the same thing happen here. > > Tim > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Shirley Cullum via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Bylaws are the rules that every volunteer in the project must adhere to > and > > must be voted on by the membership. I think all members should have input > > into the rules and the opportunity to discuss the issues. An important > > issue for bylaws is that all members, including the SC & ASC, are > required > > to follow them. > > > > Guidelines are merely suggestions and should include items to enhance the > > county websites. > > > > Shirley > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Chuck Dosh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > SC candidates: > > > > > > Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. > > > > > > Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on > > > before enacting. > > > > > > Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC > can > > > amend state guidelines these at will. > > > > > > Chuck Dosh > > > Dakota County, MN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and > would > > >> be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. > > >> > > >> Shirley > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will > > generating > > >>> some bylaws for us to vote on be. > > >>> Mike > > >>> > > >>> From: Shirley > > >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM > > >>> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, > > >>> > > >>> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. > > Simple > > >>> guidelines help everyone in the long run. > > >>> > > >>> Shirley > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that > > help > > >>>> CC' > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < > > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not > > >>>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides > > for the > > >>>>> proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are > > requirements > > >>>>> for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am > > missing > > >>>>> it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> USGenWeb Bylaw > > >>>>> > > >>>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > > >>>>> > > >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > > >>>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required > > >>>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. > > >>>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July > > 2010: > > >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > > >>>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be > > linked to > > >>>>> the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required > > depending > > >>>>> on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a > > state > > >>>>> project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep > > >>>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the > > state > > >>>>> had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws > > >>>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We > > can > > >>>>> have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to > > spend a > > >>>>> lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this > list > > >>>>> because there are no rules. > > >>>>> Mike > > >>>>> Clay Co > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> From: Karen De Groote via > > >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM > > >>>>> To: List MNGenWeb > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index > > page > > >>>>> and > > >>>>> the banner can be on all other pages. > > >>>>> Karen > > >>>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Tim, > > >>>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. > > >>>>>> Now, my question. > > >>>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >