hear! hear! Mike Clay Co From: Karen De Groote via Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:03 AM To: List MNGenWeb Subject: Re: [MNGEN] By-Laws My opinion on this subject is that we don't necessarily need bylaws if we have rules. Bylaws are meant to be a framework of an organization, not rules about every day tasks. We do need a set of "rules" aka something to adhere to including the consequences of not adhering to the rules. I don't see where having the rules takes away from our jobs. I think they bring like minded people together for a cohesive purpose. Having a set of rules for the project that we vote on is ideal in my book. Guidelines are worthless if they are not a necessary component, if they are just suggestions. We can see how well that works in the national project, it doesn't. CCs that just want to do what they want to do are not team players, how is that a benefit to the project? As far as this project as a whole (USGenWeb); things have changed over time and will continue to change. That is the nature of the beast. Old CCs clinging to the "collection of links" on their counties no longer fit the purpose of the project. We used to have Rootsweb to contribute to but when it was bought by Ancestry, we all saw the writing on the wall. Each of us is a champion of keeping genealogical data free for researchers, we are a very important part of their lives or should be. I don't know how many researchers can afford an Ancestry subscription, I know I can't and as people drop off they need good quality genealogy for free. That is where we have always been. I would like to see 1. Bylaws as a framework (short) for MNGenWeb 2. Rules for the project including leadership and coordinator requirements. 3. Guidelines can be suggestions for improving our sites, things we should add if we get the time. MNGenWeb will grow with good rules in place and be a shining start in the USGenWeb project. Karen Becker, Todd and Stearns On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Timothy Stowell via <[email protected]> wrote: > Linda, > > Actually I am not in favor of creating more rules for coordinators to > follow. The national bylaws are sufficient and have been for the nearly 19 > years of our existence. Some would say, what would we do if the leadership > disappears again? We could do just as was done this time, ask national for > assistance. > > Perhaps more regular roll calls than our previous yearly roll call would > alert the members to a problem sooner - ie a roll call instituted by the > SC/ASC team rather than everyone posting on list 'here' or 'present'. > > Since it seems most coordinators are adults, saying to them, that our state > logo needs to be at the top of the main page of a county site and if > linked, linked to the state page - there is really no reason to make a rule > that says do this or else. > > Most people are pleasant to work with, so why complicate their lives with > more rules unless those who want the rules seek to control other people's > creativity? > > That said, I would not stand in the way of those who like to have more > rules, to serve some purpose that eludes me. > > Tim > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Linda Ziemann via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Good morning. Without restating everything regarding this, I agree with > > what > > Martha has stated in her response. (In fact, based on what I have read, > > the candidates for SC are in favor of establishing MN state bylaws, with > > accompanying rules.) Any bylaws approved by the members, should "enhance" > > the Project-not detract from it (to quote Martha.) YES! Right on! > > > > My approach would be to ask for volunteers from the members, > establishing a > > "committee" to put together a group of bylaws. These in turn would be > > presented to the membership for discussion and a vote. The rules also > would > > be formulated and presented in much the same manner. "Together" the > MEMBERS > > would establish & vote to set the bylaws and the rules. > > > > Most importantly it is essential that the CCs be proactive in finding & > > transcribing data, recruiting others to help, uploading the free data to > > the > > county, presenting the ancestor data for the MN visiting researchers to > > find. > > > > Everyone have a great weekend! Happy Hearts Day! > > Linda Ziemann > > Candidate for SC > > Rock County Coordinator > > > > > > > > On 2/13/15, 10:21 PM, "Kermit Kittleson via" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I just want to "second" what Martha just said. > > > > > > Kermit Kittleson > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Shirley, > > >> Thank you for the concise information on the difference between > > >> Guidelines and By-Laws. > > >> One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to > re-invent > > >> some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out > > >> over time in the USGW. > > >> > > >> I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard > for > > >> the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should > > >> be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local > [State] > > >> level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. > > >> > > >> As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', > the > > >> whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If > we > > >> are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves > time > > >> to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. > > >> > > >> Martha > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message