I can identify with that. This would be me: > Of course there were many who were either > intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out > national I started my genealogy addiction with the KYGen mailing list on the KY edu mail servers. Met Jeff Murphy there and his excitement to create KYGenWeb (on rootsweb in those days) was highly infectious. We talked about the concept of people posting GedComs on the web and, eventually, WorldConnect was born. Those were fun times and I’m sure Jeff is still smiling down on us from above. This whole rootsweb and USGenWeb project would certainly make his heart swell with pride in a job well done. I’m just sorry that rootsweb sold out to ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/>. But I understand why they did. However (it’s just me, not you) I do not care for the politics and debates. Too often it degrades into negativity and I just don’t want to spend my remaining time on earth that way. I still work, often at two jobs. So there’s a lot of this e-mail about banners vs logos and guidelines vs by-laws that I have not read. We’ve had *hundreds* of e-mails since early October and I legitimately can’t keep up with it. I get enough of policies, SOPs, copyrights, guidelines, and we coulda/shoulda/woulda at my day job. I don’t want to deal with it in my hobbies. That is a long way of saying that I’d be all for a committee, or two, of people that really care about stuff like that and DO want to devote part of their lives to it. Can I nominate the current SC nominees before the window is even open for nominations? ;) Just tell me when you’ve got something to vote on and if the outcome matters to me, I will vote. Meanwhile, I’m looking for Stensrud and Bickel families that may care about this photograph: http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bickel&GSfn=Marvel&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=60327480&df=all& <http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bickel&GSfn=Marvel&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=60327480&df=all&> Marvel was born in Freeborn county in 1913 and died in Blue Earth county in 2012. Tiffany has more photographs that she is researching as well. Marilyn, from the Carver Co Historical Society, has potentially located some LOUGH descendants to claim some old photos that Shelley found. I’m very excited about that. It’s what this is all about and I am pleased that I was able to play a small part in making that connection. Happy Valentines Day everyone. Carpe Diem! Kathy > On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Timothy Stowell via <[email protected]> wrote: > > It was a simple time back then (1996). Ideas of data and sources poured > in. People shared, cared, helped. There was gentle teasing. > > Some folks wanted more requirements of coordinators - beyond a logo, links, > queries. By 1999, some thought we needed national bylaws to codify rules > for everyone. A committee was formed to take suggestions and wrote, > revised over and over and over. Then the tempo rose, the yelling began and > much like a church split, a political party split or implosion, people > started taking sides. Of course there were many who were either > intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out > national and turned back to their web sites. > > I just don't want to see the same thing happen here. > > Tim >
You might want to re post the voting period. It is February, not December. LOL Karen Becker, Todd and Stearns On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Pat Asher via <[email protected]> wrote: > Voting for MNGenWeb State Coordinator starts tonight, 12/14 at > 12:01am CST, and runs through Saturday, 12/21 at 11:59pm CST. > > To be counted, your vote must be time stamped during this period and > be copied to all three members of the election committee: > > Patrice Green - <[email protected]> > Mike Sweeney <[email protected]> > Pat Asher <[email protected]> > > > Your candidates are: > > Shirley Cullum > Martha Crosley Graham > Tim Stowell > Linda Zieman > > > The winner must receive a majority of the votes cast, i.e. 50% + 1 > > If no candidate achieves a majority, there will be a run-off election > between the two candidates receiving the most votes. > > It only takes a minute. Please vote! > > > Pat Asher > MN Election Committee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Bryant makes some excellent points. Some of us might not like it and some of us think it is good but the national USGenWeb is under a Parliamentary Authority (a bylaw) and the Board has currently chosen “The Standard Code of Parliamentary Procedure by Alice Sturgis” (a special rule). The USGenWeb currently breaks down “rules” by (for the national) “Bylaws,” “Standard Rules,” and “Special Rules.” They’ve also generated a “Guidelines” which in my opinion is an excellent document that cuts through all the formal language and places many of the rules and recommendations into one document. The intent of my question to the candidates was not to generate a big discussion on the value of state rules and how to proceed but to find out IF the candidates wanted to proceed (which would play a part on my vote), and if so, how high was their priority on getting some rules set. And I asked the question because I believe some minimal rules are required in the state. I do not believe the national rules cover all issues that arise in states. I do not believe that the state doesn’t need some sort of rules. It is apparent to me that if we had some minimal rules then discussions on this list would be greatly reduced. This list has been loaded with discussions on logos, voting, replacing SC’s, roll calls, state web site content, CC site requirements, ASC(s), and the list goes on. So, I think each of the candidates have made their positions very clear at least to me. How we go about it or if we go about it will depend on the SC voted in. Mike Clay Co From: Genealogy via Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MNGEN] By-Laws My 2 cents. I am confused. By-Laws, Standing Rules and SOPs (Standing Operating Procedures) are synonymous and apply specific requirements for the objective. I would think that a set of By-Laws would be the target for establishing requirements that we must follow. Standing Rules or SOPs should be incorporated into the By-Laws under an appropriate section that would apply to the objective of the rule or SOP. Then you would have only one set of requirements that members could refer to in their need to meet MNGenWeb requirements. Guidelines are a separate issue since they are not requirements, but only suggestions that may enhance the process for various reasons. They should be a separate document and not incorporated into the document of requirements, i.e., By-Laws. As to establishing a By-Laws document, it may be best to establish a committee (already proposed) to draft the document before open discussion occurs. I base this on the many, many discussions that occur on this list. This approach, which has been suggested by several people, should reduce the amount of dissention and possibly speed up the process. After the document has been drafted, each article or section should be discussed one at a time (already proposed) to again reduce the overload on my daily reading. That said, any By-Laws for the state should be designed to enhance the USGenWeb By-Laws and not conflict with them. Granted, the USGenWeb By-Laws could use a good cleaning, but they already establish basic requirements for state and counties. Any By-Laws established for the state should only cover issues that are not covered at the national level, making our document a much shorter list of requirements. Bryant -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laverne H. Tornow via Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 1:30 AM To: Timothy Stowell; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, There are 3 things many people are confused about: ByLaws Standing Rules Guidelines ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
hear! hear! Mike Clay Co From: Karen De Groote via Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:03 AM To: List MNGenWeb Subject: Re: [MNGEN] By-Laws My opinion on this subject is that we don't necessarily need bylaws if we have rules. Bylaws are meant to be a framework of an organization, not rules about every day tasks. We do need a set of "rules" aka something to adhere to including the consequences of not adhering to the rules. I don't see where having the rules takes away from our jobs. I think they bring like minded people together for a cohesive purpose. Having a set of rules for the project that we vote on is ideal in my book. Guidelines are worthless if they are not a necessary component, if they are just suggestions. We can see how well that works in the national project, it doesn't. CCs that just want to do what they want to do are not team players, how is that a benefit to the project? As far as this project as a whole (USGenWeb); things have changed over time and will continue to change. That is the nature of the beast. Old CCs clinging to the "collection of links" on their counties no longer fit the purpose of the project. We used to have Rootsweb to contribute to but when it was bought by Ancestry, we all saw the writing on the wall. Each of us is a champion of keeping genealogical data free for researchers, we are a very important part of their lives or should be. I don't know how many researchers can afford an Ancestry subscription, I know I can't and as people drop off they need good quality genealogy for free. That is where we have always been. I would like to see 1. Bylaws as a framework (short) for MNGenWeb 2. Rules for the project including leadership and coordinator requirements. 3. Guidelines can be suggestions for improving our sites, things we should add if we get the time. MNGenWeb will grow with good rules in place and be a shining start in the USGenWeb project. Karen Becker, Todd and Stearns On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Timothy Stowell via <[email protected]> wrote: > Linda, > > Actually I am not in favor of creating more rules for coordinators to > follow. The national bylaws are sufficient and have been for the nearly 19 > years of our existence. Some would say, what would we do if the leadership > disappears again? We could do just as was done this time, ask national for > assistance. > > Perhaps more regular roll calls than our previous yearly roll call would > alert the members to a problem sooner - ie a roll call instituted by the > SC/ASC team rather than everyone posting on list 'here' or 'present'. > > Since it seems most coordinators are adults, saying to them, that our state > logo needs to be at the top of the main page of a county site and if > linked, linked to the state page - there is really no reason to make a rule > that says do this or else. > > Most people are pleasant to work with, so why complicate their lives with > more rules unless those who want the rules seek to control other people's > creativity? > > That said, I would not stand in the way of those who like to have more > rules, to serve some purpose that eludes me. > > Tim > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Linda Ziemann via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Good morning. Without restating everything regarding this, I agree with > > what > > Martha has stated in her response. (In fact, based on what I have read, > > the candidates for SC are in favor of establishing MN state bylaws, with > > accompanying rules.) Any bylaws approved by the members, should "enhance" > > the Project-not detract from it (to quote Martha.) YES! Right on! > > > > My approach would be to ask for volunteers from the members, > establishing a > > "committee" to put together a group of bylaws. These in turn would be > > presented to the membership for discussion and a vote. The rules also > would > > be formulated and presented in much the same manner. "Together" the > MEMBERS > > would establish & vote to set the bylaws and the rules. > > > > Most importantly it is essential that the CCs be proactive in finding & > > transcribing data, recruiting others to help, uploading the free data to > > the > > county, presenting the ancestor data for the MN visiting researchers to > > find. > > > > Everyone have a great weekend! Happy Hearts Day! > > Linda Ziemann > > Candidate for SC > > Rock County Coordinator > > > > > > > > On 2/13/15, 10:21 PM, "Kermit Kittleson via" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I just want to "second" what Martha just said. > > > > > > Kermit Kittleson > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Shirley, > > >> Thank you for the concise information on the difference between > > >> Guidelines and By-Laws. > > >> One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to > re-invent > > >> some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out > > >> over time in the USGW. > > >> > > >> I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard > for > > >> the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should > > >> be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local > [State] > > >> level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. > > >> > > >> As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', > the > > >> whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If > we > > >> are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves > time > > >> to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. > > >> > > >> Martha > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Good morning. Without restating everything regarding this, I agree with what Martha has stated in her response. (In fact, based on what I have read, the candidates for SC are in favor of establishing MN state bylaws, with accompanying rules.) Any bylaws approved by the members, should "enhance" the Project-not detract from it (to quote Martha.) YES! Right on! My approach would be to ask for volunteers from the members, establishing a "committee" to put together a group of bylaws. These in turn would be presented to the membership for discussion and a vote. The rules also would be formulated and presented in much the same manner. "Together" the MEMBERS would establish & vote to set the bylaws and the rules. Most importantly it is essential that the CCs be proactive in finding & transcribing data, recruiting others to help, uploading the free data to the county, presenting the ancestor data for the MN visiting researchers to find. Everyone have a great weekend! Happy Hearts Day! Linda Ziemann Candidate for SC Rock County Coordinator On 2/13/15, 10:21 PM, "Kermit Kittleson via" <[email protected]> wrote: > I just want to "second" what Martha just said. > > Kermit Kittleson > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Shirley, >> Thank you for the concise information on the difference between >> Guidelines and By-Laws. >> One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to re-invent >> some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out >> over time in the USGW. >> >> I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard for >> the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should >> be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local [State] >> level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. >> >> As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', the >> whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If we >> are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves time >> to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. >> >> Martha >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message
Tim, Thank you. I appreciate your reiteration of some of the history of the USGW and its many changes with regard to setting up the various rules and regulations. I would have preferred a simple, logical and non-combative progression to the present. But, as you have noted, confusion and chaos reigned for a while. No matter who is elected SC for Minnesota, let us all hope that we can be sensible, friendly, positive and move forward into a productive future for the MNGenWeb Project. Martha
There are 3 things many people are confused about: ByLaws Standing Rules Guidelines Bylaws are basically the "constitution" of an organization and deal with roles, duties of those roles succession, how we elect our leaders etc Standing Rules are just that Rules that are the standard for the organization and all must comply, in other words the Standard Operating Procedures that deal with the daily operation of an organization. They stand the test of time. USGW improperly uses the term Guidelines, when it should be Standing Rules or SOP.. and then there are Guidelines, which by the very nature of the name are not rules but merely suggestions to make things easier. Guidelines have no place with in the ByLaws, standing Rules can be a part and parcel of the bylaws, just like standing committees are. That being said, it is my opinion that the bylaws should be developed with in a committee and presented to the membership by that committee for review, discussion, revision and voting one article at a time. When done that way, by the time the last article is voted on a document has been installed as the governing rules. That same committee can also develop and present for review, discussion, revision and voting in much the same way the Standing Rules and Guidelines. it would be utter chaos to try and do it without a committee! Laverne On 2/14/2015 12:42 AM, Timothy Stowell via wrote: > Do you see no use for committees? > > Are you saying that every subject should be "discussed" without process so > that ideas are tossed in willy nilly and confusion reigns or people are > seconding items like a meeting was occurring and then feelings get hurt > because someone misspeaks? > > It seems redundant to say that all members including the SC/ASC, since the > SC/ASC are members. > > There are bylaws that state what happens in the case of a vacancy and give > guidance. Often bylaws seek to control the actions of others rather than > freeing their creativity. > > In the beginning of USGenWeb, the founder wanted a group of volunteers to > put up web sites that would freely give information to the public for > genealogical research. That included offering a space for people's > queries. A national logo was created and most states created one as well. > Even early on a power struggle began and at some point the founder was > sidelined. > > It was a simple time back then (1996). Ideas of data and sources poured > in. People shared, cared, helped. There was gentle teasing. > > Some folks wanted more requirements of coordinators - beyond a logo, links, > queries. By 1999, some thought we needed national bylaws to codify rules > for everyone. A committee was formed to take suggestions and wrote, > revised over and over and over. Then the tempo rose, the yelling began and > much like a church split, a political party split or implosion, people > started taking sides. Of course there were many who were either > intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out > national and turned back to their web sites. > > I just don't want to see the same thing happen here. > > Tim > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Shirley Cullum via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Bylaws are the rules that every volunteer in the project must adhere to and >> must be voted on by the membership. I think all members should have input >> into the rules and the opportunity to discuss the issues. An important >> issue for bylaws is that all members, including the SC & ASC, are required >> to follow them. >> >> Guidelines are merely suggestions and should include items to enhance the >> county websites. >> >> Shirley >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Chuck Dosh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> SC candidates: >>> >>> Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. >>> >>> Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on >>> before enacting. >>> >>> Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can >>> amend state guidelines these at will. >>> >>> Chuck Dosh >>> Dakota County, MN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would >>>> be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. >>>> >>>> Shirley >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will >> generating >>>>> some bylaws for us to vote on be. >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> From: Shirley >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM >>>>> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, >>>>> >>>>> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. >> Simple >>>>> guidelines help everyone in the long run. >>>>> >>>>> Shirley >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that >> help >>>>>> CC' >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not >>>>>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides >> for the >>>>>>> proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are >> requirements >>>>>>> for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am >> missing >>>>>>> it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> USGenWeb Bylaw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>>>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required >>>>>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. >>>>>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July >> 2010: >>>>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>>>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be >> linked to >>>>>>> the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required >> depending >>>>>>> on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a >> state >>>>>>> project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep >>>>>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the >> state >>>>>>> had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws >>>>>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We >> can >>>>>>> have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to >> spend a >>>>>>> lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list >>>>>>> because there are no rules. >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> Clay Co >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Karen De Groote via >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM >>>>>>> To: List MNGenWeb >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index >> page >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the banner can be on all other pages. >>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim, >>>>>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >>>>>>>> Now, my question. >>>>>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Do you see no use for committees? Are you saying that every subject should be "discussed" without process so that ideas are tossed in willy nilly and confusion reigns or people are seconding items like a meeting was occurring and then feelings get hurt because someone misspeaks? It seems redundant to say that all members including the SC/ASC, since the SC/ASC are members. There are bylaws that state what happens in the case of a vacancy and give guidance. Often bylaws seek to control the actions of others rather than freeing their creativity. In the beginning of USGenWeb, the founder wanted a group of volunteers to put up web sites that would freely give information to the public for genealogical research. That included offering a space for people's queries. A national logo was created and most states created one as well. Even early on a power struggle began and at some point the founder was sidelined. It was a simple time back then (1996). Ideas of data and sources poured in. People shared, cared, helped. There was gentle teasing. Some folks wanted more requirements of coordinators - beyond a logo, links, queries. By 1999, some thought we needed national bylaws to codify rules for everyone. A committee was formed to take suggestions and wrote, revised over and over and over. Then the tempo rose, the yelling began and much like a church split, a political party split or implosion, people started taking sides. Of course there were many who were either intentionally clueless or willingly clueless and finally just tuned out national and turned back to their web sites. I just don't want to see the same thing happen here. Tim On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Shirley Cullum via <[email protected]> wrote: > Bylaws are the rules that every volunteer in the project must adhere to and > must be voted on by the membership. I think all members should have input > into the rules and the opportunity to discuss the issues. An important > issue for bylaws is that all members, including the SC & ASC, are required > to follow them. > > Guidelines are merely suggestions and should include items to enhance the > county websites. > > Shirley > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Chuck Dosh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > SC candidates: > > > > Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. > > > > Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on > > before enacting. > > > > Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can > > amend state guidelines these at will. > > > > Chuck Dosh > > Dakota County, MN > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would > >> be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. > >> > >> Shirley > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will > generating > >>> some bylaws for us to vote on be. > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> From: Shirley > >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM > >>> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, > >>> > >>> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. > Simple > >>> guidelines help everyone in the long run. > >>> > >>> Shirley > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that > help > >>>> CC' > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not > >>>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides > for the > >>>>> proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are > requirements > >>>>> for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am > missing > >>>>> it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. > >>>>> > >>>>> USGenWeb Bylaw > >>>>> > >>>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > >>>>> > >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > >>>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required > >>>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. > >>>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July > 2010: > >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > >>>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be > linked to > >>>>> the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required > depending > >>>>> on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a > state > >>>>> project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” > >>>>> > >>>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep > >>>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the > state > >>>>> had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws > >>>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We > can > >>>>> have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to > spend a > >>>>> lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list > >>>>> because there are no rules. > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> Clay Co > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: Karen De Groote via > >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM > >>>>> To: List MNGenWeb > >>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo > >>>>> > >>>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index > page > >>>>> and > >>>>> the banner can be on all other pages. > >>>>> Karen > >>>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Tim, > >>>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. > >>>>>> Now, my question. > >>>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
I agree that state bylaws should enhance the project and that is why discussion on the establishment of bylaws before being voted on is important. Shirley On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < [email protected]> wrote: > Shirley, > Thank you for the concise information on the difference between > Guidelines and By-Laws. > One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to re-invent > some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out > over time in the USGW. > > I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard for > the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should > be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local [State] > level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. > > As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', the > whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If we > are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves time > to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. > > Martha > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
I just want to "second" what Martha just said. Kermit Kittleson On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < [email protected]> wrote: > Shirley, > Thank you for the concise information on the difference between > Guidelines and By-Laws. > One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to re-invent > some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out > over time in the USGW. > > I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard for > the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should > be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local [State] > level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. > > As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', the > whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If we > are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves time > to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. > > Martha > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Bylaws are the rules that every volunteer in the project must adhere to and must be voted on by the membership. I think all members should have input into the rules and the opportunity to discuss the issues. An important issue for bylaws is that all members, including the SC & ASC, are required to follow them. Guidelines are merely suggestions and should include items to enhance the county websites. Shirley On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Chuck Dosh <[email protected]> wrote: > SC candidates: > > Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. > > Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on > before enacting. > > Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can > amend state guidelines these at will. > > Chuck Dosh > Dakota County, MN > > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would >> be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. >> >> Shirley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will generating >>> some bylaws for us to vote on be. >>> Mike >>> >>> From: Shirley >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM >>> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, >>> >>> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. Simple >>> guidelines help everyone in the long run. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that help >>>> CC' >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not >>>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides for the >>>>> proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are requirements >>>>> for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am missing >>>>> it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. >>>>> >>>>> USGenWeb Bylaw >>>>> >>>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS >>>>> >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required >>>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. >>>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: >>>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be linked to >>>>> the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required depending >>>>> on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a state >>>>> project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” >>>>> >>>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep >>>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the state >>>>> had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. >>>>> >>>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws >>>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We can >>>>> have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to spend a >>>>> lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list >>>>> because there are no rules. >>>>> Mike >>>>> Clay Co >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Karen De Groote via >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM >>>>> To: List MNGenWeb >>>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo >>>>> >>>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index page >>>>> and >>>>> the banner can be on all other pages. >>>>> Karen >>>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Tim, >>>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >>>>>> Now, my question. >>>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >
Some members feel the need to have rules in place to guide them beyond the national bylaws, thus it seems that perhaps some guidelines to further expand upon the national bylaws may be a good thing. Such should be created by a committee of CCs, report back to the SC, who should verify that they do not conflict with the national bylaws, before placing it before the membership for a vote, either item by item or as one full set. Priorities - in tandem: - state site redesign - SC / ASC responsibility - search for coordinators to fill empty slots - SC / ASC responsibility, mainly but others can recommend or ask friends, folks they run into if they would be interested in such - form rules committee (volunteers and/or appointees) 4-5 members, reporting back to the SC within a set time period - appoint ASC and/or support team Bylaws / Guidelines - bylaws, rules one must follow to be a member of MNGenWeb, which may or may not entail hosting a county. This would mainly cover items not already mentioned in the national bylaws. It seems redundant to repeat the national bylaws in state bylaws. However, they may also cover items like what we do when the team leaders vanish without explanation for more than a set period of time. I do not expect the SC to be on duty 24/7 and not every day because life, illness has twists and turns we can not predict. It would be hopeful that the SC/ASC are in contact with each other as much as possible. Bylaws can never cover every possible item that may come up down the road. People down the road will question what was in the minds of the framers of the bylaws and if none of those are present, it would be anyone's guess. Guidelines often explain bylaws beyond what was written in laymen's terms. Suggestions - suggestions for county coordinators to place on their site, tools that may assist visitors (like a search function), web stats (so the coordinator knows what visitors are looking for); where to find material for web sites. I trust that answers your questions Mike and Chuck? Respectfully, Tim Traverse, Wilkin and Yellow Medicine counties On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Chuck Dosh via <[email protected]> wrote: > SC candidates: > > Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. > > Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on > before enacting. > > Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can > amend state guidelines these at will. > > Chuck Dosh > Dakota County, MN > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would > > be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. > > > > Shirley > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will > >> generating some bylaws for us to vote on be. > >> Mike > >> > >> From: Shirley > >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM > >> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, > >> > >> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. > >> Simple guidelines help everyone in the long run. > >> > >> Shirley > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that > >>> help CC' > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not > >>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides > >>>> for the proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are > >>>> requirements for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. > >>>> If I am missing it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. > >>>> > >>>> USGenWeb Bylaw > >>>> > >>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > >>>> > >>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > >>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required > >>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. > >>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: > >>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb > >>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be > >>>> linked to the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be > >>>> required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > >>>> state. If linked, a state project logo may only be linked to the > >>>> appropriate state site.” > >>>> > >>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep > >>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the > >>>> state had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. > >>>> > >>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws > >>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We > >>>> can have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to > >>>> spend a lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on > >>>> this list because there are no rules. > >>>> Mike > >>>> Clay Co > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Karen De Groote via > >>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM > >>>> To: List MNGenWeb > >>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo > >>>> > >>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index > >>>> page and > >>>> the banner can be on all other pages. > >>>> Karen > >>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Tim, > >>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. > >>>>> Now, my question. > >>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Shirley, Thank you for the concise information on the difference between Guidelines and By-Laws. One of the things that is bothersome to me is the tendency to re-invent some of the basic [and common sense] items that have been spelled out over time in the USGW. I am not a 'micro-manager' type of SC here in CA. Blatant disregard for the By-laws set up by the USGW are obvious items of concern and should be addressed as they come up or are found. By-laws at the local [State] level should enhance the Project, not detract from it. As an entity that promotes 'Free Genealogical and Historical Data', the whole idea is to make resources available to visiting Researchers. If we are so caught up in compliance issues, we are not giving ourselves time to get the data located, formatted and uploaded. Martha
SC candidates: Recommend a clear distinction between guidelines & bylaws. Bylaws: Rules that CCs are obliged to follow. These should be voted on before enacting. Guidelines: Advice that CCs are *not* obliged to follow. SC and ASC can amend state guidelines these at will. Chuck Dosh Dakota County, MN On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:47:49 -0600, Shirley via <[email protected]> wrote: > Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would > be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. > > Shirley > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will >> generating some bylaws for us to vote on be. >> Mike >> >> From: Shirley >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM >> To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, >> >> cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. >> Simple guidelines help everyone in the long run. >> >> Shirley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that >>> help CC' >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not >>>> enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides >>>> for the proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are >>>> requirements for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. >>>> If I am missing it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. >>>> >>>> USGenWeb Bylaw >>>> >>>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS >>>> >>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>> Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required >>>> depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. >>>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: >>>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb >>>> Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be >>>> linked to the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be >>>> required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that >>>> state. If linked, a state project logo may only be linked to the >>>> appropriate state site.” >>>> >>>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep >>>> popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the >>>> state had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. >>>> >>>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws >>>> with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We >>>> can have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to >>>> spend a lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on >>>> this list because there are no rules. >>>> Mike >>>> Clay Co >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Karen De Groote via >>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM >>>> To: List MNGenWeb >>>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo >>>> >>>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index >>>> page and >>>> the banner can be on all other pages. >>>> Karen >>>> Becker, Todd and Stearns >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim, >>>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >>>>> Now, my question. >>>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Linda Ziemann chiming in here again.....The eventual creation of bylaws/rules for MNGenWeb is important! Below is the goals list I had in my initial SC Campaign email. This list is not in any order of importance necessarily. Do let me just say, that the bylaw creation is very important for MNGenWeb....and I agree to keeping the rules & bylaws brief, to the point, and simple to understand. I would say that within the first 30-90 days for the next SC, the bylaws issue should be addressed. SC MNGenWeb Goals: **To study & learn all I can about the state of MN and its history. In the summer of 2007, I did spend several days in ³the Cities² and visited the Minnesota History Center in St. Paul. What a fabulous placeenjoyed also the library microfilm there, too. Visited Ft. Snelling Natl Cemetery before leaving the area. **To support & work along side the many other MN County Coordinators **To appoint an Assistant SC (at least one, perhaps two) MN has many counties and the assistants would be a second and/or third pair of eyes and hands to get the work done **To keep the MN state pages updated **To do my utmost in recruiting new CCs for ³adoptable² MN counties **To be ³available² for all the daily tasks that the SC duty encounters **To ³lead² discussion regarding the NEEDS of MNGenWebthis could lead to eventual formation of bylaws, rules & procedures. **To ³listen & understand² as issues ariseand to perform the SC duty using honesty & integrity. **To ³be there² for MNGenWeb , helping create a state project site that we can all be proud to be affiliated with now and into the future. Thanks for your consideration and I will be glad to try and answer questions that anyone may want to send my way. And I promise to SUPPORT and WORK DILIGENTLY with MNGenWeb, no matter who becomes SC. ³We are ALL in this Together!² Linda Ziemann Rock County MNGenWeb On 2/13/15, 3:24 PM, "Mike Peterson via (Dino)" <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will generating some > bylaws for us to vote on be. > Mike > From: Martha A Crosley Graham via > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MNGEN] Guidelines > > Good Afternoon, > I agree with Shirley, > Simple and easy to understand Guidelines should be the mainstay of any > set of rules for a State. > > Martha > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message
Martha is right about having a full team in place first. I was just thinking ahead. <g> Shirley Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Martha A Crosley Graham via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mike, > Guidelines are # 2 on my to do list. > #1 is appointing 3 ASC's to assist with the organization of the State > and it's 87 Counties. > > In order to have a smooth running State, there has to be an Admin Team > in place first. > Then comes the rules and regulations. > > Martha > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Establishing guidelines/bylaws is a high priority issue for me and would be one of the first things I would like to accomplish. Shirley Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via <[email protected]> wrote: > > OK, but if elected how high on your list of things to do will generating some bylaws for us to vote on be. > Mike > > From: Shirley > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:18 PM > To: Mike (Dino) Peterson ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo, > > cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. Simple guidelines help everyone in the long run. > > Shirley > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that help CC' >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides for the proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are requirements for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am missing it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. >>> >>> USGenWeb Bylaw >>> >>> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS >>> >>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. >>> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: >>> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be linked to the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a state project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” >>> >>> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the state had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. >>> >>> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We can have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to spend a lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list because there are no rules. >>> Mike >>> Clay Co >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Karen De Groote via >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM >>> To: List MNGenWeb >>> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo >>> >>> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index page and >>> the banner can be on all other pages. >>> Karen >>> Becker, Todd and Stearns >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Tim, >>>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >>>> Now, my question. >>>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Voting for MNGenWeb State Coordinator starts tonight, 12/14 at 12:01am CST, and runs through Saturday, 12/21 at 11:59pm CST. To be counted, your vote must be time stamped during this period and be copied to all three members of the election committee: Patrice Green - <[email protected]> Mike Sweeney <[email protected]> Pat Asher <[email protected]> Your candidates are: Shirley Cullum Martha Crosley Graham Tim Stowell Linda Zieman The winner must receive a majority of the votes cast, i.e. 50% + 1 If no candidate achieves a majority, there will be a run-off election between the two candidates receiving the most votes. It only takes a minute. Please vote! Pat Asher MN Election Committee
cont. - but should not be so restrictive as to stifle creativity. Simple guidelines help everyone in the long run. Shirley Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: > > I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that help CC' > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides for the proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are requirements for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am missing it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. >> >> USGenWeb Bylaw >> >> “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS >> >> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. >> IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: >> A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be linked to the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a state project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” >> >> Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the state had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. >> >> In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We can have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to spend a lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list because there are no rules. >> Mike >> Clay Co >> >> >> >> >> From: Karen De Groote via >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM >> To: List MNGenWeb >> Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo >> >> It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index page and >> the banner can be on all other pages. >> Karen >> Becker, Todd and Stearns >> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Tim, >>> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >>> Now, my question. >>> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I believe that state bylaws should be a standard set of rules that help CC' Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Mike (Dino) Peterson via <[email protected]> wrote: > > For those of you, especially those running for SC, who are not enthused about bylaws; I know of “no” bylaw or rule which provides for the proper/improper display of the MNGenWeb state logo. There are requirements for displaying the USGenWeb logo but none for our state. If I am missing it, I would appreciate someone letting me know. > > USGenWeb Bylaw > > “IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > > A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. > IX. A was amended as follows by a vote of the membership in July 2010: > A. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. If linked, this logo may only be linked to the USGenWeb National site. A state project logo may be required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. If linked, a state project logo may only be linked to the appropriate state site.” > > Bylaws and rules can be a pain but there are some issues that keep popping up periodically that would be much easier to handle if the state had a minimal set of bylaws, etc. > > In the current SC election I saw only two candidates mention bylaws with one of them having it as a goal near the top of their list. We can have minimal rules which people can rely on or we can continue to spend a lot of time discussing issues like logos time and again on this list because there are no rules. > Mike > Clay Co > > > > > From: Karen De Groote via > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:04 AM > To: List MNGenWeb > Subject: Re: [MNGEN] Marc Pennau Logo > > It is my understanding the the approved logo must be on the index page and > the banner can be on all other pages. > Karen > Becker, Todd and Stearns > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Martha A Crosley Graham via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Tim, >> Thank you for the update on the Banner. >> Now, my question. >> Can the approved banners be used in place of a logo? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message