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Linda, It means Mulatto. Almost all people are mixed. They were Mulatto during slavery, then they change to Black or Negro and African American. My family is Scot-Irish, English and West African and there is no telling other ethnic background. Most of the time it means if you had a Black father and White mother or Black mother and White father. I forgot to tell that the mtDNA we did through Family Finder. They were able to use my brothers Y-DNA to do the mtDNA match, we found 2 3rd cousins/ on our maternal side. On our West Y-DNA we found 13 matches with my family being the only African Americans. Alice West-Ferguson.

I have had an interesting afternoon.....found Martha Lett, right place, right dates, and her parents and siblings in Meigs, Muskingum, Ohio on the 1850 Ohio [?] census. The family is listed under "race" as "M" does this mean Mulatto or Mixed? Anyway, if mulatto, would that make the maternal dna what we are looking for? On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:26 PM, <Ally3729@aol.com> wrote: > > > If you are looking for Maternal (mtDNA) a biological female can take the > test.(No adoptive female) > > ******************************* > If this is a Message Board gatewayed to the list, please reply to the > Message Board by clicking on the link in the message. The poster may not be > a member of this list. > > Allen Lawrence > List Administrator > Mixed-Marriages-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIXED-MARRIAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you are looking for Maternal (mtDNA) a biological female can take the test.(No adoptive female)

Not last name Brown. Two are the grandsons of Velvia [Brown] and Charles Boyce, the others the great grandsons of Velvia and Charles. Velvia & Charles>Dorothy Boyce [Robinson] [deceased]>William Robinson>Chris or Bruce Robinson. Velvia & Charles>Wilfred Boyce[deceased]>Wilfred Boyce [son]>Roger Boyce Velvia & Charles>Mildred Boyce [Longman]>Linda Longman [me]>Devin or Rob Henry On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM, <Ally3729@aol.com> wrote: > > > Linda, yes, you can use a great grandson whose is biological and last name > brown. > > ******************************* > If this is a Message Board gatewayed to the list, please reply to the > Message Board by clicking on the link in the message. The poster may not be > a member of this list. > > Allen Lawrence > List Administrator > Mixed-Marriages-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIXED-MARRIAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Linda, yes, you can use a great grandson whose is biological and last name brown.

Thank you. My understanding is that it has to be a male for DNA testing. There are 2 males who are the great grandsons of John W Brown and Martha, no grandsons left living. There are a few great great grandsons. Would this be possible with any of them? Linda On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:06 AM, <Ally3729@aol.com> wrote: > > > I would suggest that your family test your Y-DNA and Family Finder. You > will find out more about both maternal and paternal sides of your family. > It > does work. > > Alice West-Ferguson > > ******************************* > If this is a Message Board gatewayed to the list, please reply to the > Message Board by clicking on the link in the message. The poster may not be > a member of this list. > > Allen Lawrence > List Administrator > Mixed-Marriages-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIXED-MARRIAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would suggest that your family test your Y-DNA and Family Finder. You will find out more about both maternal and paternal sides of your family. It does work. Alice West-Ferguson

I am presently searching the history of my maternal great grandparents. Part of the search I want to do involves trying to discover if my ggfather and/or ggmother [my mother's mother's parents] have an African American heritage. My mother's father's family are British back 3 generations+. I have no proven facts, and no history of this so far. I dont know how to accurately describe what I mean, and dont want to offend, but here goes. What has prompted the search for this is that my grandmother, Velvet/Velvia Ann Brown DOB jAN 14 1866 [possibly in Sarnia Ontario], has features that may suggest so, and, my aunts and uncles, 5 out of 9 surviving children of Velvia and Charles [Boyce] are very dark skinned, with other features as well, and this shows up in my generation with many cousins, and in the next generation as well, etc. Following is some information about my ggparents. Name of ggfather is John W Brown. DOB c1835 in Ohio. He was a carpenter by trade. Perhaps maiden name of my ggmother is Lett, first name Martha. DOB c 1840 in Ohio, If this is correct, they were possibly married in Muskingum Ohio date 13 Oct 1857. I have an IGI individual record from Family search international genealogical index that lists John W Brown marrying Martha Lett on this date. I have a census record from Bay City Michigan from 1870 listing John W Brown and Martha Brown from Ohio, with 4 female children. My grandmother is the second youngest. All the children were listed as being born in Canada~~! My maternal great grandfather last lived in London Ontario Canada. He was a carpenter. My maternal great grandmother it seems, last lived in Bay City Michigan when she was with John. She is listed as mother on my grandmother;s marriage registration. I can only surmise that she died along with 3 children, or that she and my ggfather were divorced, or separated, and three of the children lived with her. In any case, she and three of the four children disappeared from living with him between the 1870 Bay City Michigan census and when he appears in London Ontario. The first time he appears is in the London Ontario business directory in 1872/1873. His occupation is carpenter. He married again, and he shows up, born in USA, on the, 1881 Canadian census in London ON with his second wife, Sarah, born c1842 in USA, and only my grandmother, Velvet/Velvia, age 16.. All children of my grandparents Velvia and Charles are deceased. In my generation, several cousins have/had the darker skin and features, others do not. I myself have taken after my father's side of the family, Scottish, with light skin, reddish hair and freckles, as have my sons and grand children. Same for the next generation. No one has brought this up as a possibility, but I have learned that some have also wondered. One of my cousins has always believed that "Grandma Boyce" came up, via the underground railroad,,with parents or whoever. I am not sure the dates account for this There was a story in the family about her coming from somewhere around Georgia, going to live in Bay City Michigan, somehow getting to Port Huron Michigan and coming over to Sarnia ON., then London ON. My mother said she was a "Southern Belle" Interestingly enough, her death notice says she was born in Sarnia, Ontario. There are not many left of my cousins to collaborate with. I didnt think of it until the past few years, and there are only about 4 of us left that are cousins. One didnt respond to me when I asked about what he thought, another is adopted, but believes there is a real possibility, another is convinced...she said her daughter used to always ask "Why is Roger beige?" My second cousin believes it to be possible. My mother and both her sisters, and 3 of her brothers all fall into the category of tight wavy/curly/black hair, dark skin and eyes, and some facial and body features. So, where do I go from here? I have some unsubstantiated census info for John W Brown/John Brown, from the USA within the age/dob range/a few carpenters. This ranges from race being white/African/mulatto. What is the best route to take to get more information on the internet? Thanks if there is anybody out there! Linda

Anita, In my state, if a man signs a birth certificate, he is acknowledging that he is in fact the father of the child in question. This is probably in all the states. Have you sent this question to the list. There may be different points of views than mine. I live in Louisiana and I am a Notary here, we do acknowledgements all the time and the child is listed a his natural offspring. Allen Lawrence list admin. The only people with whom you should try to get even are those who have helped you. John E. Southard From: luluslaststand@hotmail.com To: mixed-marriages-admin@rootsweb.com Subject: Question? Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:31:27 -0800 Hi, I am hoping that maybe you could answer a question for me. If a Tribally recognized Native Father signs the birth certificate of a child not of his own blood, does that child become a member if the Tribe is a membership by lineage? A very confusing question in my Tribe and I am hoping to hear opinions on this matter. Sincerely, Anita Blake

Greetings Everyone, My name is Anita and I am new to this group. I have been doing research for over thirty years now, and have been blessed. I traced my maternal lines to Delaware, Maryland, Colonial Virginia, Pennsylvania, South Carolina. My ancestors in Colonial Virginia and Pennsylvania, were mixed raced. In 1730, a Mulatto woman named Mary Hilliard, married a white man named William Monroe. Their marriage produced in child, but the marriage did not last. Because they were married in Virginia, the courts charged Mary with Bastardy. When she showed proof of the marriage, the charges were dropped, but the marriage was not legal. She was my ancestor, and eventually her child, Mary Bowden was Indentured out. The information I found has so far filled two books, Notes and Documents of Free Persons of Color, and Pieces of the Quilt: The Mosaic of an African American Family. Both books detail my research and the Information I collected on my ancestors. My books are available through Amazon.com<http://amazon.com/>. I also have a radio show called, Anita Talks Genealogy, which airs on Blog Talk Radio. My show Airs Friday nights from 8:00-8:45 pm, (pst), every Friday. Anita Talks Genealogy <http://blogtalkradio.com/Anita-Wills> Another site I maintain is, the Minqua Site, which is about my Pennsylvania ancestors, who resided in the Welsh Mountains. Minqua People of the Welsh Mountains <http://minqua.ning.com/> I like forward to sharing with everyone. Anita Wills

Looking for Nellie Adelena Jones, born 1882 in Nashville, Arkansas. Married to Walter Gray Yates 18 Apr 1897. -- shr.slade@gmail.com

Hello, A researcher on my CAN-USA-MIGRATION List keeps mentioning the interesting articles on the "MASS Moments" web site, and others are mentioning it. So, I finally subscribed to the daily e-mails from it. Then I did a search for some of the surnames I research, like LEWIS. I found an interesting article which someone might be interested in: http://www.massmoments.org/index.cfm?mid=325 It is about a sculptor in MA in the mid-1800's, named Edmonia LEWIS. On this day in 1864, sculptor Edmonia Lewis exhibited two of her early pieces at the Colored Soldiers' Fair in Boston. The daughter of a Native American woman and a black man, Lewis was the first American of color to earn an international reputation as a sculptor. At the Soldiers' Fair, she showed a full-length figure of Sergeant William H. Carney Just an FYI for you. Betty (near Lowell, MA) Note: My LEWIS line is "white" from Shropshire, England, and Lancashire, England, in the early 1800's, and over to Canada in 1870's, and down to MA/US in 1881. My great-grandparents in Stoneham, MA, had 13 children.

Hi Allen, I wish your brother a speedy recovery Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Lawrence" <awl1957@hotmail.com> To: <mixed-marriages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [MIXED-MARRIAGES] FW: Marriage of white male andCherokee native American woman > Hi list, > > Thanks for helping out on this subject. When I was typing the response to > this subject, the phone rang and it was an emergency with my brother in > law. I could not think right and chose to send it to the list. Brother > in law is in hospital with fluid on his lungs and around heart, came on > very quickly. > > I do appreciate each of you that responded, thanks again for your help. > > Allen > List Admin > _________________________________________________________________ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace > ******************************* > If this is a Message Board gatewayed to the list, please reply to the > Message Board by clicking on the link in the message. The poster may not > be a member of this list. > > Allen Lawrence > List Administrator > Mixed-Marriages-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIXED-MARRIAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, Thanks for helping out on this subject. When I was typing the response to this subject, the phone rang and it was an emergency with my brother in law. I could not think right and chose to send it to the list. Brother in law is in hospital with fluid on his lungs and around heart, came on very quickly. I do appreciate each of you that responded, thanks again for your help. Allen List Admin _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth McCann" <ruthmccann@sbcglobal.net> To: <mixed-marriages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MIXED-MARRIAGES] FW: Marriage of white male and Cherokeenative American woman > CHEROKEE WOMAN MARRIED TO : ROBERT L. LAUDERDALE, BORN IN 1784 IN > NOLICHUCKY > RIVER, BLOUNT CO., TENNESSEE OR ALABAMA. DATE: 1794. DEATH: 1830 IN MORGAN > CO. ALABAMA. > DIED THE SAME YEAR HIS WIFE DIED WITH FOURTH CHILD; CAUSE, CHILDBIRTH > PROBLEMS. > CHILDREN WERE: SARA ELIZABETH LAUDERDALE, BORN 1823 > MARY ANN LAUDERDALE, BORN 1825, ALABAMA; > AMIRA EMMERETTE LAUDERDALE, BORN Dec. 14,1827, Morgan C. Alabama. > JAMES S. LAUDERDALE, BORN FEBRUARY 5, 1830 in Morgan Co. Alabama. Mother > might possibly have died same > day in Morgan Co. Alabama due to childbirth problems. Might have had > children in Cherokee Nation. Might possibly have some connection to > Cherokee woman married at one time to Sam Houston and later a Mr. Gentry. > Her last name was Rogers.Robert and father owned land together on Holston > Rivers, Pistol Creek in Tennessee in 1807. > > Robert L. Lauderdale was son of Robert Lauderdale, Sr. and Sarah Lytle or > Litte. > > Thanks, ruthmccann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <kyposh@aol.com> > To: <mixed-marriages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: [MIXED-MARRIAGES] FW: Marriage of white male and Cherokee > native American woman > > >> What names do have and location. >> >> ******************************* >> If this is a Message Board gatewayed to the list, please reply to the >> Message Board by clicking on the link in the message. The poster may not >> be a member of this list. >> >> Allen Lawrence >> List Administrator >> Mixed-Marriages-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIXED-MARRIAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ******************************* > If this is a Message Board gatewayed to the list, please reply to the > Message Board by clicking on the link in the message. The poster may not > be a member of this list. > > Allen Lawrence > List Administrator > Mixed-Marriages-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIXED-MARRIAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

CHEROKEE WOMAN MARRIED TO : ROBERT L. LAUDERDALE, BORN IN 1784 IN NOLICHUCKY RIVER, BLOUNT CO., TENNESSEE OR ALABAMA. DATE: 1794. DEATH: 1830 IN MORGAN CO. ALABAMA. DIED THE SAME YEAR HIS WIFE DIED WITH FOURTH CHILD; CAUSE, CHILDBIRTH PROBLEMS. CHILDREN WERE: SARA ELIZABETH LAUDERDALE, BORN 1823 MARY ANN LAUDERDALE, BORN 1825, ALABAMA; AMIRA EMMERETTE LAUDERDALE, BORN Dec. 14,1827, Morgan C. Alabama. JAMES S. LAUDERDALE, BORN FEBRUARY 5, 1830 in Morgan Co. Alabama. Mother might possibly have died same day in Morgan Co. Alabama due to childbirth problems. Might have had children in Cherokee Nation. Might possibly have some connection to Cherokee woman married at one time to Sam Houston and later a Mr. Gentry. Her last name was Rogers.Robert and father owned land together on Holston Rivers, Pistol Creek in Tennessee in 1807. Robert L. Lauderdale was son of Robert Lauderdale, Sr. and Sarah Lytle or Litte. Thanks, ruthmccann ----- Original Message ----- From: <kyposh@aol.com> To: <mixed-marriages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [MIXED-MARRIAGES] FW: Marriage of white male and Cherokee native American woman > What names do have and location. > > ******************************* > If this is a Message Board gatewayed to the list, please reply to the > Message Board by clicking on the link in the message. The poster may not > be a member of this list. > > Allen Lawrence > List Administrator > Mixed-Marriages-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIXED-MARRIAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What names do have and location.

Yes, need names and dates of anyone you have ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Lawrence" <awl1957@hotmail.com> To: <mixed-marriages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:16 PM Subject: [MIXED-MARRIAGES] FW: Marriage of white male and Cherokee nativeAmerican woman > Hi list, > Lets help this subscriber. Any suggestions? > > Allen > List admin > > > > From: ruthmccann@sbcglobal.netTo: > MIXED-MARRIAGES-admin@rootsweb.comSubject: Marriage of white male and > Cherokee native American womanDate: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:44:21 -0500 > > > > I am interested in locating the name of my great great grandmother who was > Cherokee Indian. However nowehere in any > genealogy reocrds or otherwise have I been able to find her name. She is > listed only as Cherokee woman. I know my > great great grandfather's name and their children's names and where and > the dates where the children were born. > I do not know the date of the marriage or can only assume the place. Where > would i begin? Thanks > _________________________________________________________________ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace > ******************************* > If this is a Message Board gatewayed to the list, please reply to the > Message Board by clicking on the link in the message. The poster may not > be a member of this list. > > Allen Lawrence > List Administrator > Mixed-Marriages-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIXED-MARRIAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message