This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kimmyk404 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wexford/1680.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I just came from talking to my dad (Dale Cecil) and have some more info to share with you. Sometimes it isn't only about where we come from and who we descend from, but the little stories that make it so interesting. Gloria Hayes Smith (C. Cecil's daughter) and Lona Mai Hayes (Clarene Cecil's wife) used to visit a family who still live in Buckley with the name Doherty. The ancestors of these Doherty's bought Clarence Cecil's 10 acre farm (the one I was telling you about earlier by Lake Gitchegumee in Buckley) and they also paid for the gravestones for Ira Pepper and Clarence M. Dad says they were cousins somehow of his dad (Cecil) and he thinks he remembers the name Jarvis in connection with them somehow. Maybe this is a lead for the Jarvis side??? This old farm is on N 17 road and was called "Maple Grove." There is still a depression of where the house used to be. These gravestones are in Cornell Cemetery in Buckley, Mi on 4 County Line Road. There is a "Pepper row". There is one name in that row that doesn't belong, and dad said the sexton at the time he was there (Kellogg) said he would have it moved, but last he checked, it wasn't. So hopefully, this name won't confuse you. Martin and Emmarretta (Emma) are buried there, too, with Clarence M., Lucy, and Ira. Speaking of Emma, dad said his sister said that SHE was the one with a motorcylce, not Lucy - which seems to make her even more of a rebel than had it been Lucy, as she came a while before Lucy! I don't ride motorcyles, but still think this is interesting. He also said that Lucy was known as kind of a "tramp." Lol. Pine Pitch Pete (!!!) used to stay with her...that's how she got that reputation and maybe her divorce, too, lol. My Grandma Lona (Lucy's daughter-in-law) said Lucy was a really mean lady:) We have pictures of Lucy, both Clarence's, your grandfather Otis (who was a handsome man), and Emma. Do you have pictures? Also, dad remembers visiting a family named Percy and Eloise Bulman in Flint when he was little. His dad, Cecil, used to bring the family there to visit. Are these relatives of yours through Verona? Who, btw, dad was surprised and happy to hear lived so long. About Ira, his formal residence at the time of death was the Buckley farm, but he actually died in Flint at Gloria and Robert's (Bob)house. He was so sick and huge - dad thinks he had heart failure. He had such huge feet and legs that he couldn't wear shoes: he had to wear golashas. He died sitting on the toilet and fell against the door, blocking it. They had to climb over the roof of the house and break the bathroom window to get him out. Dismal end, right? Especially after he already didn't have an arm, poor man! Also, dad said they used to visit some other cousins of Cecil's named Roy (blind) and Goldie (legally blind). These may also be of some help if they are found to be part of the Jarvis'. Cecil is buried in Memorial Park in Flint, MI. Joyce Hayes Carlson is buried there, too. Well, this is a lot of info to give you, and I don't even know your name! I think that Harlan must be your dad (is he still living?), and Hellen, your aunt. This would make you my dad's second cousin and my third, because Otis was my dad's uncle. Also, about the American Indian connection I mentioned earlier: Clarence Cecil and Lona Mai's daughter, Gloria, is listed as American Indian on her birth certificate, but caucasion on her death certificate. We are still in touch with Robert Smith, Jr. (Gloria's son) and my dad saw this birth certificate of his sisters. This is def. a mystery, right? Well, I hope you get this info before you travel to Wexford, Co!! Much luck, Kimberly Hayes Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.