This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mrdurtal1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wexford/1680.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Regarding the Peper family, if you follow this url to the digital archives you will find a book with the Peper family lineage in it: http://www.archive.org/details/familygenealogyb00laws It makes for very interesting reading between pages 206-224. However, as I said earlier there is an egregious error in it. On page 221 under Abraham B. Peper is listed a John Peper who marries Mary Acker of Palmyra New York, their sons are Charles Peper and Martin Peper who live at Camria Mills or Camden in Michigan. This is actually the John (Anthony) Peper listed as the son of Jan (John) Peper (number 4) on page 220. In fact, several of Jan's children are listed under Abraham B. on page 221. I have assiduously gone through census, marriage and death records to clarify this. I have a number of references to these family members from newspapers and genealogical sites that I'll send when we return. But, I'll just mention that you can find Jan and Sophia Peper with their sons Charles and Martin in Michigan census data. Dad says hi! He also mentioned something that I had forgotten about. There was a family Bible in Buckley that he saw last in 1950 I think that had the Peper line on one of the front pages. He believes that there is an entry mentions that one of the early female ancestors was a lady-in-waiting for Queen Wilhelmina. He thinks that the Bible went to one of the more distant relatives after Ira's death. BTW, Dad has fond memories of his Uncle Ira who would visit them in the west and my Dad was out to Buckley at various times as well. He had not heard how Ira died and is grateful for the information. There is a book about the Robbins family aptly titled, History of the Robbins Family of Walpole, Massachusetts, Descendants of William and Priscilla Robins, by Dana W. Robbins. I have my own copy and could email you the relevant sections when we get back. However, you might find a copy in a regional library. We even have a copy in the National Library of Australia! But, let me trace out an outline of the relevant Robbins connections so you can find the material online as well: Sophie Peper (1797-1888) was the daughter of Thomas Robbins (1756-1830) and Azuba Squires (1760-?). Joseph Robbins (1719-?) and Lucy Carpenter (1723-?) were the parents of Thomas and John Squires (1735-1803) and Mary Harper (1733-1761) were the parents of Azuba.John Robbins (1692-1774) and Hannah Clark (1692-1773) were the parents of Joseph and William Robbins (1651-1725) and Priscilla Gowing (1655-1745) were parents of John Robins. William Robins (1608-1651) and his wife Rebecca (1612-1673) were the parents of William junior and were immigrants from England. I'll follow the Squire family back at a later date. With the Bates the line is something like: Ira W. Bates and Isabel A. Scott; Ira W. (perhaps White or Wilbur) was the son of Caleb, Jr. and Mary A. White. Caleb, junior was the son of Caleb, Sr. and Mary (Polly) Wilbur. Caleb, senior, was the son of Benjamin and Hulda (Cudlworth) Bates. Benjamin was the son of Solomon and Deborah (Studley) Bates. Solomon was the son of Joshua and Rachel (Tower) Bates and Joshua was the son of Joseph and Esther (Hillard) Bates. Joseph was the son of Clement and Anna (Dalrymple) Bates who were the immigrants. Clement was a tailor with servants who traveled to the colonies with his two brothers on the "Elizabeth" and arrived in "Plymouth" in 1635--this is all well documented. I have not given dates as the Bates family are well attested in numerous books and, as long as you know which line, you should be able to find a wealth of material--The Bates Association has done the heavily lifting to investigate the Lydd, Kent, England connection. However, do not overlook the female lines (for instance the Towers) as they are very important in their own right. One relative was an intimate of Captain Miles Standish and was a beneficiary of the latter's will. Others were relatives of the first Governor of the abortive colony in Maine. Many were yeoman farmers and esquires in England. On the other hand, some were almost illiterate and gained both their education and their fortunes by immigrating. One was an earlier settler and surveyor of Hartford, Connecticut (Robert Seeley). I'll try to organise getting family photos digitised when we visit Mom and Dad. We would love to have copies (digital or otherwise) of the family. I think that the many deaths within the space of a decade strained the family connections. My Dad remembers Gloria and Joyce well enough, but I understand that his sister had better connection with the family after their father's death. We hope to see her as well. Again, thank you for solving the mystery of how Clarence came to be buried at the Cornell Cemetery after everyone else had died. I had known that the Doherty and Jarvis families had been in the region, but had thought that they might have moved on by then. BTW, Dad said that there was a strong intimation in the family that there was a First Nation link in the Hayes family. However, no hard evidence until you mentioned the birth certificate. I'll tell you more in an email. All the best, Rick Hayes. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.