This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.2.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From their surnames it appears that they may be Catholic. I would try looking for a baptismal record from a church. Use a Detroit City Directory to see where the parents were living at the time of the births, then contact the Archdiocese archives to find out what church would have served that area. The Catholic church records are at the Burton Historical Collection of the main Detroit Public Library. See their website to see what church records they have and what period of time the records cover. You would have to research in person or hire someone. There is a list of researchers on the BHC website which includes the name of one of the people who has responded to your question. http://www.detroitpubliclibrary.org/burton/burton_index.htm What government agency did you write to for the birth record? If they were born outside of Detroit, the City would not have the record. If Wayne County, they do not have City of Detroit birth records but the State of Michigan should have all the records. Did you look at the LDS test website for Thomas Dougherty? With both the surnames that you have, there is a possibility that the surnames were misspelled. Where did you get the birth place of the people from? Georgia Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BPolito3965 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.2.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have obtained birth records from the State of Michigan from that time period but I have requested a uncertified copy of the record. This means only that the seal of the state is not on the record and cannot be used for official purposes. State will do a three years search of records for death, birth and marriage. If the Form from the state does not allow of uncertified record or genealogy record I write on the form that is what I am requesting. I have had very good luck with using this method. Also try Church Records if you know, baptizied records maybe available. Good Luck. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RuthMcMahon62 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.2.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Michigan does not have a birth index after 1915 that genealogists can use. If you can prove a person's death and you are a descendant, you can obtain a copy of the birth record from Michigan Vital Records. Refer to the web site for details. Fee is $26 if you mail the application and are willing to wait about a month for the record. To find out if the 1883-83 birth was recorded, search on the site Pilot.FamilySearch.org. Michigan births 1867-1902 are posted. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jgalpin48428 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking at the dates you are talking about.....and you just want some form of record, it is alot easier to get a copy of the death certificate. What do they mean by "don't have records"? Does this mean they were all sent somewhere else, or they don't have records for that year, or they don't have a record of that particular persons birth???? Someone born in 1935---you will not get a copy of it whether they had one or not. They should have told you that. Birth certificate info is now NOT public record because of 911. Jennifer G. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JacobThorn Surnames: Dominguez, Johnson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17867/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is a long shot, but I am attempting to locate a Magdalena Dominguez, who came to Detroit about 1930 from Mexico. Her neices remember that she married an American named Johnson. They had a son named Jonathan. Magdalena is remembered as an Opera Singer. It is sad that the family has lost track of their aunt in America. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jbendermt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Eugene Dougherty, b. March 16 1935- d.april 20, 1994. Calif.Eugenia Krosnowski: born 1909 in detroit and John Thomas Dougherty born 1883-4 in Detroit. Would just like a copy for research purposes but can't seem to find any kind of a record. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If I knew that the records existed I would be more than happy to order them , but to just send them money and then find out that they don't have the records is just wasting my money. thanks Janet Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What time period are you looking at? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: knp4christ Surnames: Sparks, McGuire,Larcomb Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/8975.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My grandmother was Dorothy Sparks, born in 1915 in Michigan. Her mother was Florence McGuire Larcomb. Census records in 1920 show Dorothy as a "Larcomb", but in 1930 as a step-daughter with the last name "Sparks" which is the name she always used. I have been unable to identify who her father was. She didn't look anything like her mother, and now I wonder if Florence was her birthmother or just a relative that took her in. Do you know the whereabouts of your Dorothy Sparks and what year she may have been born? Thank you. Dena Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dfurgat Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/77.2591.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Did you grandfather have a son named John who was born somewhere between 1910 & 1920? The reason I ask is because my great gradparents came from Radgoszcz in 1913 & were in Detroit around 1918 but than went back to Poland in the 1920's than in 1938 my grandfather came back here to the states & went to Detroit & stayed with a John Jaje whose wife's name was Irene. As I been researching I came across a Rosalia Jaje who is my Great Great Great Grandmother born probably around 1840 & I have been trying to establish the link to my grandfather Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: koleary144 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17857.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you very much for this information. Kathy O'Leary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jbendermt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply. I have sent for two birth records and they tell me that they don't have the records. I think that I am just frustrated and don't know where to go next. It is very hard to keep sending money to the state and be told that they don't have any records. Is there a way to find out if the record is there before I send the money? I live in Arizona and it is not easy to take the trip. Thanks again Janet Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17857.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Six Mile Road in Detroit is McNichols. Not sure if it was known by both names back then or not. One of the City of Detroit Directories shows both the old and the new addresses but I cannot remember what year it was. Might have been the 1921-1922 directory. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17864.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If they died in Detroit, try the Burton Historical Collection of the main Detroit PUblic Library. I am out of town or I would give you their website. Do a google search. The BHC has City of Detroit (only) index to deaths from about 1920 on. If they died in Wayne County between 1934 and 1944 (I thnk), the BHC has index books to Wayne County deaths excluding the City of Detroit. The Burton also has City of Detroit directories. No directories were printed during WW II up to about 1953. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are certain requirements that have to be met in order to order a birth certificate. I am not home right now but one of the requirements is that the person was born either 100 or 110 years ago-can't remember which it is. Another is that you are the person whose birth record it is or you are a legal guardian or parent of the person and I think the other is that if the person is dead, you are an heir. If you have the website for the State of Michigan' vital records department, it will tell you what the requirements are. If the birth happened before 1867, there are no records. State did not required births or deaths to be recorded before 1867. Marriages were recorded at the county level prior to that time. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: genealchemist Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17865.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you know date of death and that it was in Detroit, then you can order a Detroit death record from the Detroit Vital Records division from Herman Kiefer http://www.deathindexes.com/michigan/wayne.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suelewandowski25 Surnames: Coulter Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17865/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Im looking for information on my Uncle Howard Coulter I believe he was born in 1915 or 1916 I have yet to find his birth im assuming he was born in Harrison Township Michigan as was his younger brother. He died in a Detroit Hospital at the age of 10. His death date was June 28 1926. Im trying to locate any death information on him or if anyone knows if their is a way that I can get hospital records from that date and time for him from his hospital stay. It seems like him was in the hospital for a while since they lived about an hour from Detroit in Harrison Township and there were many hospitals there though they chose to take him to Detroit! I would greatly appreciate any help that anyone could give me! I dont live in the area but have looked and written into all the places that I can think too! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jbendermt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17863.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvansickle1632 Surnames: Cinader, Cinadr, Zinader, Prochaska, Addison, Jellinek, Benda, Nemecek, Hulan, Kauterle Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/8248.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I see Frank and Mary Addison in 1880 census of Greenfield township, with children, Matthew/Matthias?, Charles, Joseph, John (age 15), Frederick, and Henry; Frank was born ~1821 and Mary ~1826 in Bohemia. My ancestors are located across the "street", road in Greenfield township in the 1876 Wayne county landowners; they are A. Cinader (Anton and Agnes Cinader); both families owned 40 acres; I believe this was later annexed to the city of Detroit and is now the area around 7mile and Livernois. There are many other families from Austria/Bohemia farming in Greenfield township in 1880: Porchaska, Hurky, Husna, Gudderly, Nemeck, Benda, Hulan, Jeilnick. There is also a F. Addison further south on ? Livernois with39 acres. Could this be your John? Also these names (as many others) changed through the years. Anton Cinader was Antony Schneider in the 1870 census, back to Cinader in 1880 but Cinadr on death certificate. In the 1860 census, the Addisons were in the 9th ward of the city of Detroit; the Cinaders were also in the 9th ward. As is John Hulan, their neighbor. They emigrated about 1853 or 1854. I am unable to locate where in Bohemia the Cinaders came from; one of the previous threads mentioned the Addison's came from the Prague area to Quebec. I may be wrong but I wonder if these families had ties before they came to Michigan? How were you able to ascertain Prague as the home? If you look at the Woodmere Cemetery site, you can now search records. There are a number of Addison's in Woodmere, including Frank and Mary (born 1823, d 9/1905; address on Michigan Ave, age 81); Frank's age not given but buried in same plot: 69. I am not sure what the boundaries of the lodge owned area was; Anton and Agnes Cinader are buried in Sect A lots 462 and 427. I am planning on returning to Woodmere to learn more about the lodge burials. Hope this gives you some further direction to look. Michigan death certificates 1897 to 1920 are online at seekingmichigan.org If you can more closely connect these early families from Bohemia, I will appreciate you posting the information Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JackTurnbull49 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17864/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Moved to Detroit 1911 from Windsor.1920 Census Janet age 67,daughter Ethel living on East Grand Blvd.1930 Census has Ethel living in the Casa Loma Apts. in Detroit.Unable to locate any further info.Looking for death & obituary assistance. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

May I make one small footnote to this previous message. Before 1867 there may be no civil records of birth, but a church baptism record before that time would include the date of birth and the date of baptism. Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois -----Original Message----- From: miwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:miwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 6:46 PM To: MIWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIWAYNE] Birth Records This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counti es.wayne/17863.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are certain requirements that have to be met in order to order a birth certificate. I am not home right now but one of the requirements is that the person was born either 100 or 110 years ago-can't remember which it is. Another is that you are the person whose birth record it is or you are a legal guardian or parent of the person and I think the other is that if the person is dead, you are an heir. If you have the website for the State of Michigan' vital records department, it will tell you what the requirements are. If the birth happened before 1867, there are no records. State did not required births or deaths to be recorded before 1867. Marriages were recorded at the county level prior to that time. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message