This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18981.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try contacting the Downriver Genealogical Society. http://downrivergenealogy.org/contact-us/ Also, try this cemetery: Our Lady of Hope Catholic Cemetery 18303 Allen Rd Trenton MI 48183 (734) 285-2155 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18980.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I sure hope that isn't true-75 years. If it is true, it must be about making them public online or something since anyone can get a death certificate for anyone-not just a relative-as long as they pay the fee. I am very unhappy since I worked on those every day. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: moonpie71 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18980.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think I still have your email address from when I sent you some directory listings - would you like me to send you some of the articles? It looks like the Dallas newspaper picked up the AP story, but there were some other articles too. Detroit doesn't have many available papers on Genealogy Bank, but I'm happy to send what I can find. Good luck! Nancy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: John_in_Racine_WI Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18980.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Nancy- Thanks for the reply. The article says that 23 died and the list only adds up to 19. I'm curious as to the other 4. From the list it doesn't seem the 2 I'm questioning are in it and I'm wondering if they might have been involved to something that may have led up to the generally agreed upon date dates of June 20 through June 22. Probably just a coincidence but the dates are so close that I can't help wonder. If those certs ever become available I should be able to find out. Until then I'll just have to keep digging. I read about the problems with the project on a FaceBook page. Seems one of the transcribers messaged someone from FamilySearch to find out the status. It wasn't clear from what I read if the dates were the problem or if it was the author's theory. It did seem like a plausible theory. With money being so tight everywhere, I can see how losing that extra little bit of revenue might cause a stir. Although, from the horror stories that I keep hearing, it sound as if the clerks would rather not be bothered looking this stuff up but then again, it pays their salaries, right? SISU! John Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: houghtonlakesearcher Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18981/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find the burial site of Mary Caroline Hyman. She died in 1878 She was the wife of Joseph Hyman. They had only been in the U.S.A. about 5 years when she died. They came from W. Prussia. They were most likely Catholic. She had 3 young children when she died, Mary Cecelia, Frank, and Joseph. They lived in Trenton when she died. Thanks for any help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: moonpie71 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18980.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found an article in the Dallas Morning News, and have quoted pertinent information: 22 Jun 1943 Dallas Morning News, pg. 1 (Associated Press) "All told, more than 700 persons were injured, police reported at midnight Monday." "Of the twenty-three dead, twenty were Negroes." [Continued on pg. 12] "A crowd of about 3,000 milled around Cadillac Square in downtown Detroit before city hall. Police seemed unable to keep control. A number of beatings of Negroes by white persons were reported." "White mobsters set fire to the homes of two Negro families and in a fight on a streetcar a Negro slashed a white man." "Cause of death of the victims was listed thus: One white man found on street shot through chest; One white doctor was fatally beaten in his automobile in the riot district; One white man killed by a hit-and-run driver in the riot's midst; Twelve Negroes shot by police, one in a gun fight and one allegedly while looting; One Negro cut fatally by glass while smashing a window; One Negro killed by a flying brick; One Negro killed by blow on head; One Negro dead of unknown causes" Do you remember where you read about the MI Death Record project having a possible problem with releasing data? I indexed at least 3,000 records, and I'm going to be MIGHTY upset if the project gets shelved! Hope the info helps! Nancy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hafenbates Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18960.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks so very much! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Ah ha! Maybe that's the answer Al!? Maybe all of those requests you made, made the state balk at losing any future monies from you and subsequently, is stopping the project from going on-line? Maybe it's you keeping the state afloat? ;-) That, I can totally understand, not that I agree with it but I can understand. Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:43:22 +0000 > From: Alan Wakenhut <al@genealogygenius.com> > Subject: Re: [MIWAYNE] Death Indexing Project--John in WI > To: "miwayne@rootsweb.com" <miwayne@rootsweb.com> > > The website for the Michigan Department of Community Health, which is > responsible for birth, death, marriage and divorce records, clearly states > that there are no restrictions for obtaining death certificates in > Michigan. The only restrictions are for birth records. The website is > http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,4612,7-132-4645_4671---,00.html > > I have obtained many death certificates, from the 1980's, for clients > without any problems. > > Al Wakenhut > -- “The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.” *Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy*

The website for the Michigan Department of Community Health, which is responsible for birth, death, marriage and divorce records, clearly states that there are no restrictions for obtaining death certificates in Michigan. The only restrictions are for birth records. The website is http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,4612,7-132-4645_4671---,00.html I have obtained many death certificates, from the 1980's, for clients without any problems. Al Wakenhut -----Original Message----- From: miwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:miwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of momjeep@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:14 PM To: miwayne@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIWAYNE] Death Indexing Project--John in WI Thanks John, I have to agree with you. I don't understand what the issue is anyway. Currently, Michigan has 100 years for birth records and death, marriage and divorce are open to anyone. Here's from their website-- " • Certified Copies A certified copy is printed on special security paper and contains a raised, embossed seal. Eligibility rules for certifed copies of birth records under 100 years old and Affidavit of Parentage records apply. Death, marriage and divorce records are not restricted. Michigan began official record keeping for birth, death and marriage events since 1867 and 1897 for divorce events. Current, valid photo identification is required for restricted records." If there is anything I can do to help you and whoever "they" are; like add my two cents worth, let me know. marge -----Original Message----- From: John <circlescape@gmail.com> To: miwayne <miwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [MIWAYNE] Death Indexing Project--John in WI Honestly Marge, I don't know what the answer is. Personally, I don't have enough brass in my band to start a commotion and distance is another major factor for me. Ideally, you would think that since the certs have been transcribed and arbitrated, that pulling out the ones that are legally able to be made public on a yearly basis would be quite simple for a techie to do. Maybe there's more behind this than just a date factor. Maybe it has something to do with the entirety of the collection. Maybe there's a conflict with a state website like SeekingMichigan.org. We're not being told very much so all one can do is guess until we hear the full truth. I know that any future transcribing by yours truly will be put on hold until this matter is resolved in a respectable manner and in keeping with all those volunteers that participated on the project. SISU! John Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:54:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: momjeep@aol.com > Subject: [MIWAYNE] Death Indexing Project--John in WI > To: miwayne@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D00D6F9F0D1661-8E0-23272@webmail-<8D00D6F9F0D1661-8E0-23272@webmail-vm018.sysops.aol.com> > > John, > Thanks for posting the following information. > > > By the way, I read that the Death Indexing project had already been > arbitrated but that there may be a problem posting them because of the laws > regarding the dates. It seems that the records must be older than 75 years > before making them public. Right now that would mean nothing after 1938 > could be made available. > Seems they are trying to figure out how to release them in increments. A > lot of transcribers are furious because they were promised free access > after their hard work was completed. > > I have also been wondering what the hold up has been. Like everyone else, > I worked on this project last fall > hoping to see the results soon then never. I am furious. > > > While familysearch works on trying to solve the problem; couldn't they > upload the years 1921-1937? If the 75 year limit holds true; I will never > live long enough to see the balance of this project uploaded along with > everyone else who worked so hard to get these records transcribed and > arbitrated. > > > Any ideas on how to get the years uploaded or maybe an email blitz to > familysearch requesting the years 1921-1937 be uploaded from everyone who > worked on this project? > > > Thanks, > marge > -- “The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.” *Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bhastie8269 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18975.3.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to the Probate Courts website, Certified copies are $1.00 per page and a $10 Certification fee. Regular, non-certified copies are a flat $2.00 per page. http://wcpc.us/ Click the Fees tab at the top. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks John, I have to agree with you. I don't understand what the issue is anyway. Currently, Michigan has 100 years for birth records and death, marriage and divorce are open to anyone. Here's from their website-- " • Certified Copies A certified copy is printed on special security paper and contains a raised, embossed seal. Eligibility rules for certifed copies of birth records under 100 years old and Affidavit of Parentage records apply. Death, marriage and divorce records are not restricted. Michigan began official record keeping for birth, death and marriage events since 1867 and 1897 for divorce events. Current, valid photo identification is required for restricted records." If there is anything I can do to help you and whoever "they" are; like add my two cents worth, let me know. marge -----Original Message----- From: John <circlescape@gmail.com> To: miwayne <miwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [MIWAYNE] Death Indexing Project--John in WI Honestly Marge, I don't know what the answer is. Personally, I don't have enough brass in my band to start a commotion and distance is another major factor for me. Ideally, you would think that since the certs have been transcribed and arbitrated, that pulling out the ones that are legally able to be made public on a yearly basis would be quite simple for a techie to do. Maybe there's more behind this than just a date factor. Maybe it has something to do with the entirety of the collection. Maybe there's a conflict with a state website like SeekingMichigan.org. We're not being told very much so all one can do is guess until we hear the full truth. I know that any future transcribing by yours truly will be put on hold until this matter is resolved in a respectable manner and in keeping with all those volunteers that participated on the project. SISU! John Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:54:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: momjeep@aol.com > Subject: [MIWAYNE] Death Indexing Project--John in WI > To: miwayne@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D00D6F9F0D1661-8E0-23272@webmail-<8D00D6F9F0D1661-8E0-23272@webmail-vm018.sysops.aol.com> > > John, > Thanks for posting the following information. > > > By the way, I read that the Death Indexing project had already been > arbitrated but that there may be a problem posting them because of the laws > regarding the dates. It seems that the records must be older than 75 years > before making them public. Right now that would mean nothing after 1938 > could be made available. > Seems they are trying to figure out how to release them in increments. A > lot of transcribers are furious because they were promised free access > after their hard work was completed. > > I have also been wondering what the hold up has been. Like everyone else, > I worked on this project last fall > hoping to see the results soon then never. I am furious. > > > While familysearch works on trying to solve the problem; couldn't they > upload the years 1921-1937? If the 75 year limit holds true; I will never > live long enough to see the balance of this project uploaded along with > everyone else who worked so hard to get these records transcribed and > arbitrated. > > > Any ideas on how to get the years uploaded or maybe an email blitz to > familysearch requesting the years 1921-1937 be uploaded from everyone who > worked on this project? > > > Thanks, > marge > -- “The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.” *Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Honestly Marge, I don't know what the answer is. Personally, I don't have enough brass in my band to start a commotion and distance is another major factor for me. Ideally, you would think that since the certs have been transcribed and arbitrated, that pulling out the ones that are legally able to be made public on a yearly basis would be quite simple for a techie to do. Maybe there's more behind this than just a date factor. Maybe it has something to do with the entirety of the collection. Maybe there's a conflict with a state website like SeekingMichigan.org. We're not being told very much so all one can do is guess until we hear the full truth. I know that any future transcribing by yours truly will be put on hold until this matter is resolved in a respectable manner and in keeping with all those volunteers that participated on the project. SISU! John Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:54:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: momjeep@aol.com > Subject: [MIWAYNE] Death Indexing Project--John in WI > To: miwayne@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D00D6F9F0D1661-8E0-23272@webmail-<8D00D6F9F0D1661-8E0-23272@webmail-vm018.sysops.aol.com> > > John, > Thanks for posting the following information. > > > By the way, I read that the Death Indexing project had already been > arbitrated but that there may be a problem posting them because of the laws > regarding the dates. It seems that the records must be older than 75 years > before making them public. Right now that would mean nothing after 1938 > could be made available. > Seems they are trying to figure out how to release them in increments. A > lot of transcribers are furious because they were promised free access > after their hard work was completed. > > I have also been wondering what the hold up has been. Like everyone else, > I worked on this project last fall > hoping to see the results soon then never. I am furious. > > > While familysearch works on trying to solve the problem; couldn't they > upload the years 1921-1937? If the 75 year limit holds true; I will never > live long enough to see the balance of this project uploaded along with > everyone else who worked so hard to get these records transcribed and > arbitrated. > > > Any ideas on how to get the years uploaded or maybe an email blitz to > familysearch requesting the years 1921-1937 be uploaded from everyone who > worked on this project? > > > Thanks, > marge > -- “The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.” *Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy*

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MSapienza918 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/17732.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is perhaps old news, but Catherine's sister was Rosamund McDavitt who married Patrick Smyth, son of Patrick Smyth and Ann Stuart. Patrick Sr. was the son of George Smyth, famous spy during the Rev. War. The following information is from a record of Rev. John Stuart DD UEL Kingston: Patrick Smyth was the eldest son of Patrick Smyth JP who served as a Captain of Militia under Gen. Burgoyne. He was made a prisoner but escaped to NY where he stayed until evacuated in 1783. He enjoyed a military allowance of a Captain's grant of 700 acres for himself and 400 acres for his family. These lands, about which there was a disputate, owning to malfeasance in office on the part of at least one Government Surveyor, were situated on the Grand (Ottawa) River and were selected by Mr. Smyth's brother-in-law, MR. MCNIFF, an assistant surveyor. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

John, Thanks for posting the following information. By the way, I read that the Death Indexing project had already been arbitrated but that there may be a problem posting them because of the laws regarding the dates. It seems that the records must be older than 75 years before making them public. Right now that would mean nothing after 1938 could be made available. Seems they are trying to figure out how to release them in increments. A lot of transcribers are furious because they were promised free access after their hard work was completed. I have also been wondering what the hold up has been. Like everyone else, I worked on this project last fall hoping to see the results soon then never. I am furious. While familysearch works on trying to solve the problem; couldn't they upload the years 1921-1937? If the 75 year limit holds true; I will never live long enough to see the balance of this project uploaded along with everyone else who worked so hard to get these records transcribed and arbitrated. Any ideas on how to get the years uploaded or maybe an email blitz to familysearch requesting the years 1921-1937 be uploaded from everyone who worked on this project? Thanks, marge

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: John_in_Racine_WI Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18980.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Georgia- Thanks for the additional suggestion. I just sent a request to the library to verify the dates. By the way, I read that the Death Indexing project had already been arbitrated but that there may be a problem posting them because of the laws regarding the dates. It seems that the records must be older than 75 years before making them public. Right now that would mean nothing after 1938 could be made available. Seems they are trying to figure out how to release them in increments. A lot of transcribers are furious because they were promised free access after their hard work was completed. SISU! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: John_in_Racine_WI Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18980.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As suspected, they didn't show up which means that they most likely died within the city limits. Thanks for reminding me to check here! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18980.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The online Wayne County death index does not include Detroit deaths. To check for a death in Detroit, contact the Burton Historical Collection since they have an index for City of Detroit (only) deaths from about 1920 to present day (I think). They can be emailed at the following: http://www.detroitpubliclibrary.org/featuredcollection/burton-historical-collection Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: steamboatfrannie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18671.5.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks again for your suggestion - I realized that I have only looked at the Burton location online and will now contact them about this church and possible records. thanks for the good idea. Fran Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: steamboatfrannie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18671.5.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks so much for your reply. The Church is a Lutheran Church and the Lutheran archive location that covers the Detroit area did not have this church listed and suggested that it is part of the Missouri Synod. I have tried to inquire there with no luck - it seemed that they are open for research only at their site. Thanks, Fran Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlWake Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.michigan.counties.wayne/18671.5.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Burton Collection at the Main Detroit Public Library, has microfilm records for all of the Catholic Churches in the Detroit Archdiocese, up to about 1930. Unfortunately the Burton website does not list St. Stephen in Detroit as one of those churches. St. Stephen / Mary Mother of the Church, Detroit was founded in 1917 and the first Church was built in 1918. The address is 4311 Central St. The phone number for the Burton Collection is 313-481-1401 or 313-833-1480. I don't have access to my phone book right now and am not sure of the correct phone number. I suggest that you call the Burton and ask if they have the microfilms for St. Stephen in Detroit. I doubt if they will check the microfilms for you but you might find a volunteer who will check them. Also the Burton website lists several of us professional genealogists who will search the films for you. http://www.detroit.lib.mi.us/featuredcollection/burton-historical-collection I hope that this helps you. Al Wakenhut Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.