on 6/7/04 03:58 pm, Ernestine Wark at ekraw@verizon.net wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to find information regarding these two individuals. First off, > I would like to find cemetery records if they were buried in Washtenaw County. > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Ernestine Wark, NJ > Hi Ernie: I just want to check with you regarding the name Frieda Kammann. I ran into one of my relatives whose name was Kuhnemann, but was changed to Keenman. I just wondered whether this might be yet another variation on that name? I find that all of these early records are full of misspellings on surnames. How is your genealogy research going? Doris

Hello, I would like to find information regarding these two individuals. First off, I would like to find cemetery records if they were buried in Washtenaw County. Any ideas? Thanks, Ernestine Wark, NJ

Mori-in All We have Lydia Trinkle in our tree see below JIM and Judy ( Shuck ) Montgomery JIM M. Descendants of George Christian Trinkle Generation No. 1 1. GEORGE CHRISTIAN1 TRINKLE was born December 23, 1834 in Burgstall near Marbach, Ludwigsburg, Wurtemberg, and died February 07, 1899 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. He married ANNA MARIA GRAUER February 13, 1862 in Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. She was born December 12, 1843 in Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan, and died March 27, 1919 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. Notes for GEORGE CHRISTIAN TRINKLE: George Christian Trinkle is found in: 1870 Federal Census, Washtenaw County, Freedom Township, Page 30, Dated 7 July 1870 HouseholdNo#/Family No#, Name, Age, Sex, Race, Occupation, Born House Hold 226 Family 210 Line: 18 GRAUER Martin 66 M W Farmer Wurtemburg both parents foreign born Line: 19 Barbara 65 F W Keeping house Wurtemburg both parents foreign born House Hold 226 Family 211 Line: 20 TRINKLE Christian 35 M W Farmer Wurtemburg Line: 21 Mary 26 F W Keeping house Michigan Line: 22 Christina 6 F W Michigan Line: 23 Bertha 4 F W Michigan Line: 24 Anna 2 F W Michigan Line: 25 Lydia 5/12 F W Michigan Line: 28 Grauer Frederick 18 M W Farmlaborer Wurtenburg More About GEORGE CHRISTIAN TRINKLE: Cause of Death: Inflammation of lungs Interred: St. Thomas Church Cemetery, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Occupation: Farmer Religion: Salem Evangical Lutheran Church, Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Notes for ANNA MARIA GRAUER: Barbra Anna Grauer found in 1870 Federal Census, Washtenaw County, Freedom Township, Page 30, Dated 7 July 1870 HouseholdNo#/Family No#, Name, Age, Sex, Race, Occupation, Born 226/210 Line; 19 Barbra Anna Grauer found in 1910 U S Census, Washtenaw County, Ann Arbor City, Superviser District No 1, Enmeration No 113, Sheet 13-A, dated 26 April 1910. Household 295 Family 317 Line 46 TRINKLE Mary Head F W 66 Wd Michigan Germany Garmany Line 47 Bertha Daughter F W 42 S Michigan Germany Michigan Line 48 Lydia Daugther F W 36 S Michigan Germany Michigan Line 49 Matilda Daughter F W 24 S Michigan Germany Michigan More About ANNA MARIA GRAUER: Interred: St. Thomas Church Cemetery, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Children of GEORGE TRINKLE and ANNA GRAUER are: 2. i. BARBARA CHRISTINA2 TRINKLE, b. September 29, 1864, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. ii. BERTHA MARGARETHA TRINKLE, b. August 13, 1866, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. November 21, 1941, Pontiac, Oakland County, Michigan. Notes for BERTHA MARGARETHA TRINKLE: Bertha Trinkle found in 1870 Federal Census, Washtenaw County, Freedom Township, Page 30, Dated 7 July 1870 HouseholdNo#/Family No#, Name, Age, Sex, Race, Occupation, Born House Hold 226 Family 211 Line: 23 Bertha 4 F W Michigan 1900 Michigan, Washtenaw County, City of Ann Arbor, Sheet 3-B, Dated 2 June 1900 House Hold 42 Family 50 Line 56 TRINKLE Bertha Servent W F Aug 1866 33 S Michigan Germany Michigan 1910 U S Census, Washtenaw County, Ann Arbor City, Superviser District No 1, Enmeration No 113, Sheet 13A, dated 26 April 1910. Household 295 Family 317 Line 47 Bertha Daughter F W 42 S Michigan Germany Michigan 1920 Michigan, Washtenaw County, Ann Arbor City, sheet 8-A dated 8 January 1920 House Hold 174 Family 192 Line 19 TRINKLE Lydia M Head F W 50 S Michigan Wurtemberg, Germany Michigan Line 20 Maltilda R Sister F W 34 S Michigan Wurtemberg, Germany Michigan Line 21 WALZ Benjamin Nephew M W 26 S Michigan Michigan Michigan More About BERTHA MARGARETHA TRINKLE: Cause of Death: From injuries resulting from a fall Confirmation: April 25, 1880, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan iii. ANNA MARIE TRINKLE, b. April 29, 1868, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; m. JOHN RENAU, December 15, 1887, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; b. January 24, 1856; d. February 09, 1931, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan. Notes for ANNA MARIE TRINKLE: Anna Trinkle found in 1870 Federal Census, Washtenaw County, Freedom Township, Page 30, Dated 7 July 1870 HouseholdNo#/Family No#, Name, Age, Sex, Race, Occupation, Born 226/211 Line; 24 More About ANNA MARIE TRINKLE: Baptism: May 21, 1868, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Confirmation: April 23, 1882, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan More About JOHN RENAU: Cause of Death: automobile accident iv. LYDIA MAGDALINE TRINKLE, b. December 03, 1869, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. Notes for LYDIA MAGDALINE TRINKLE: Lydia Trinkle found in 1870 Federal Census, Washtenaw County, Freedom Township, Page 30, Dated 7 July 1870 HouseholdNo#/Family No#, Name, Age, Sex, Race, Occupation, Born House hold 226 family 211 Line: 25 Lydia 5/12 F W Michigan The 1870 census has Lydia Trinkle month of birth as January Lydia Trinkle found in 1910 U S Census, Washtenaw County, Ann Arbor City, Superviser District No 1, Enmeration No 113, Sheet 13A, dated 26 April 1910. Household 295 Family 317; Line: 48 1920 Michigan, Washtenaw County, Ann Arbor City, sheet 8-A dated 8 January 1920 House Hold 174 Family 192 Line 19 TRINKLE Lydia M Head F W 50 S Michigan Wurtemberg, Germany Michigan Line 20 Maltilda R Sister F W 34 S Michigan Wurtemberg, Germany Michigan Line 21 WALZ Benjamin Nephew M W 26 S Michigan Michigan Michigan More About LYDIA MAGDALINE TRINKLE: Baptism: January 09, 1870, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Confirmation: April 23, 1882, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan 3. v. MARTIN GOTTFRIED TRINKLE, b. September 29, 1871, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. 4. vi. PAULINA TRINKLE, b. January 27, 1873, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. January 24, 1949, Washtenaw County, Michigan. vii. IMMANUEL GRIEDRICH (EMANUEL) TRINKLE, b. September 21, 1874, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. May 29, 1882, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. More About IMMANUEL GRIEDRICH (EMANUEL) TRINKLE: Baptism: November 05, 1874, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Interred: St. Thomas Church Cemetery, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan viii. EMMA KLARA TRINKLE, b. February 21, 1878, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. May 17, 1970, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan; m. JAKOB CHRISTIAN OTTO STIERLE, November 25, 1903, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; b. September 23, 1874, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. January 22, 1948, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan. More About EMMA KLARA TRINKLE: Baptism: March 09, 1878, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan More About JAKOB CHRISTIAN OTTO STIERLE: Occupation: Farmer Property: Secion 13 Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan 5. ix. CHRISTIAN ALBERT TRINKLE, b. August 11, 1879, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. x. MATILDA ROSINA TRINKLE, b. February 09, 1884, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. February 06, 1961, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan. Notes for MATILDA ROSINA TRINKLE: Matilda Trinkle found in 1910 U S Census, Washtenaw County, Ann Arbor City, Superviser District No 1, Enmeration No 113, Sheet 13A, dated 26 April 1910. Household 295 Family317; Line: 49 More About MATILDA ROSINA TRINKLE: Baptism: March 08, 1884, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Confirmation: March 29, 1896, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Generation No. 2 2. BARBARA CHRISTINA2 TRINKLE (GEORGE CHRISTIAN1) was born September 29, 1864 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. She married GOTTLIEB (GOTTLOB WALTZ) WALZ March 31, 1891 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. He was born April 16, 1861 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. Notes for BARBARA CHRISTINA TRINKLE: Barbra Trinkle found in 1870 Federal Census, Washtenaw County, Freedom Township, Page 30, Dated 7 July 1870 HouseholdNo#/Family No#, Name, Age, Sex, Race, Occupation, Born 226/211 Line; 22 More About GOTTLIEB (GOTTLOB WALTZ) WALZ: Confirmation: April 25, 1875, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Children of BARBARA TRINKLE and GOTTLIEB WALZ are: i. MELITA MARIA (MATILDA)3 WALZ, b. February 26, 1892, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. September 13, 1975, South Lyon, Oakland County, Michigan; m. OTTMAR MICHAEL KAERCHER, March 02, 1916, Lodi Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; b. July 10, 1887, Lima Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. April 30, 1954, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan. More About MELITA MARIA (MATILDA) WALZ: Baptism: March 20, 1892, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan More About OTTMAR MICHAEL KAERCHER: Religion: Salem Evangical Lutheran Church, Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan ii. CHRISTIAN BENJAMIN WALZ, b. September 15, 1893, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. January 1972, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan; m. EDNA LUELLA BRAUN; b. September 09, 1898, Saline Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. Notes for CHRISTIAN BENJAMIN WALZ: 1920 Michigan, Washtenaw County, Ann Arbor City, sheet 8-A dated 8 January 1920 House Hold 174 Family 192 Line 19 TRINKLE Lydia M Head F W 50 S Michigan Wurtemberg, Germany Michigan Line 20 Maltilda R Sister F W 34 S Michigan Wurtemberg, Germany Michigan Line 21 WALZ Benjamin Nephew M W 26 S Michigan Michigan Michigan More About CHRISTIAN BENJAMIN WALZ: Baptism: October 08, 1893, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan iii. ALMA LUCINDA WALZ, b. February 18, 1896, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. March 23, 1906, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. More About ALMA LUCINDA WALZ: Baptism: February 23, 1896, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Interred: March 25, 1906, St. Thomas Church Cemetery, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan 3. MARTIN GOTTFRIED2 TRINKLE (GEORGE CHRISTIAN1) was born September 29, 1871 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. He married ANNA MARIA EISEMANN 1897, daughter of FRIEDRICH EISEMANN and BARBARA BAREIS. She was born March 25, 1872 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. More About MARTIN GOTTFRIED TRINKLE: Baptism: November 11, 1871, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan More About ANNA MARIA EISEMANN: Baptism: April 28, 1872, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Children of MARTIN TRINKLE and ANNA EISEMANN are: i. GILBERT WILLAIM3 TRINKLE, b. February 21, 1898, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. 1961; m. TEMA M. GIRBACH; b. 1899; d. 1976. More About GILBERT WILLAIM TRINKLE: Baptism: March 20, 1898, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan ii. LILA ARMINDA TRINKLE, b. March 29, 1901, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. More About LILA ARMINDA TRINKLE: Baptism: April 28, 1901, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan 4. PAULINA2 TRINKLE (GEORGE CHRISTIAN1) was born January 27, 1873 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan, and died January 24, 1949 in Washtenaw County, Michigan. She married WILLIAM ARMBRUSTER October 20, 1892 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. He was born June 15, 1867 in Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan, and died February 12, 1947 in Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan. More About PAULINA TRINKLE: Baptism: February 27, 1873, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Confirmation: May 02, 1896, St. Thomas Lutheran, Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan More About WILLIAM ARMBRUSTER: Occupation: Driver at coal yard Children of PAULINA TRINKLE and WILLIAM ARMBRUSTER are: 6. i. WALTER W.3 ARMBRUSTER, b. August 26, 1894, Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. September 01, 1972, Florida. ii. LUCINDA MARIA ARMBRUSTER, b. May 31, 1897, Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan; d. January 29, 1994, Edinboro, Pennsylvania; m. WILLIAM KEEBLER, July 06, 1925, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan. More About WILLIAM KEEBLER: Religion: Zion Lutheran Church, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan 5. CHRISTIAN ALBERT2 TRINKLE (GEORGE CHRISTIAN1) was born August 11, 1879 in Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. He married EMMA KATHARINA BUSS March 19, 1904 in Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. She was born March 05, 1881 in Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan. Notes for CHRISTIAN ALBERT TRINKLE: 1910 U S Census, Michigan, Washtenaw County, Lodi Township, Supervisers District No 1 Enumeration district 130 Sheet 9A Dated 7 May 1910 HOUSEHOLD, NAME, RELATIONSHIP, SEX, RACE, AGE, MARRIAGE STATUS, NUMBER YEARS MARRIED, BORN, FATHER BORN, MOTHER BORN Household 180/181 sheet 8B Line; 100 TRINKLE Albert Head M W 30 M6 years Michigan Michigan Michigan Sheet 9A Line: 1 TRINKLE Emma Wife F W 29 M6 years Michigan Michigan Michigan Line: 2 Ester Daughter F W 5 S Michigan Michigan Michigan The above census was on the last line of the first sheet and the 1 and 2nd line of the second sheet. More About CHRISTIAN ALBERT TRINKLE: Baptism: August 30, 1879, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Confirmation: April 10, 1892, St. Thomas Lutheran Church, Freedom Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan Child of CHRISTIAN TRINKLE and EMMA BUSS is: i. ESTER3 TRINKLE, b. Abt. 1905, Michigan. Generation No. 3 6. WALTER W.3 ARMBRUSTER (PAULINA2 TRINKLE, GEORGE CHRISTIAN1) was born August 26, 1894 in Scio Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan, and died September 01, 1972 in Florida. He married ELIZABETH L. MARQUARDT November 18, 1915, daughter of HERMAN MARQUARDT and IDA GELNICK. She was born May 29, 1895 in Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan, and died August 27, 1990 in Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan. Children of WALTER ARMBRUSTER and ELIZABETH MARQUARDT are: i. MARIAN E.4 ARMBRUSTER, m. HARRY W. BAKER, July 02, 1960, Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, Michigan. ii. FLORENCE ARMBRUSTER, m. ERNST ROW. Kaykarl@aol.com wrote: > Pauline, Don't know if this is of any value but 20 years ago Mrs. > Robinson (another story) told me that Minnie Gates the daughter of > William & Fredricka Gates (aka Getz) who at one time lived in our > house, c1876-1912, married a man named Trinkus (perhaps Trinkle?) and > they had a girl, Lydia Trinkus who married a man named Todd. Let me > know if you can connect to this and would like more information. I am > not working on the Gates or Trinkus genealogy. Regards, Karl

Dear Marilyn, We did not make it to the cemetery yet. I was planting flowers were my sisters and brother are buried and got caught in a thunderstorm. It is still stroming out here, so I don't think I am going to make to Fifield today, unless it stops. but I will get there and see what I can find Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Yes, photograph > Dear Maria, > > Well, Fifield Cemtery is located on Lansing Rd. I was born in Lansing, but > I guess my Dad never knew where his great grandfather was buried. > > I don't know if you are close by, but it may be a long time before I get a > chance to go back ti MI. I am an R.N. and it seems every time I plan a > vacation, even to just stay home it is ruined! I was last back to MI in > 1999. > > Here is where it supposedly is, I do not know if it is overgrown or kept. > > "There is a Tainter family stone at Fifield Cemetary on Lansing Avenue about > 5 miles north of Jackson. It would be located in Blackman Township. The > stone is quite a large one and there is room for several graves, but there > are no individual names listed." > > My Daniel Tainter & his family lived in Jackson, MI in & around Tompkins & > Rives. He married Polly Godfrey in 1832. Daniel died in 1846, and then 1 > son died at age 3 in 1848 and 2 grown daughters died, one Miriam Tainter in > 1865 & then Mary Ann Tainter in 1870. Polly (Godfrey) Tainter died on Feb. > 12, 1861. > > This must be where all my family is buried. > > If you ever get by there & it's not too far, I would love to see a photgraph > of the monument. > > Did you find anymore McLaren's at the Dibean site? > > I think people struck by the genealogy bug are the most generous people. I > have shared & received so much in kind! When you start hearing from your > McLaren's you will be surprised! Always remember to search the spouses > names, also. Sometimes the female line will have more inf. than the male > lines. > > Sincerely, > Marilyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Yes, photograph > > > > Thanks Marilyn for the info. I just didn't want to think I was doing > > something that would be inappropriate to do. > > Where is Fifield Cemetery? I live in Jackson, and I have never heard of > that > > cemetery? If you want, I can try to take a photo and email it to you. You > > have been such a help to me, I would like to repay the favor somehow. > > After I get into this genealogy more, I hope I can help someone else out, > > because so many people have been such a great help to me, and being new to > > genealogy there is so much to learn. But, someday, I hope I will be able > to > > help someone else out who is new to it. > > There is another person named Karen, that has helped me greatly. She is > such > > a sweetheart! In one of my other emails, I said that with so much > negativity > > going on, there REALLY is WONDERFUL people out there willing to help. And > I > > want to really thank them all from the bottom of my heart. > > Maria > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 12:44 PM > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Yes, photograph > > > > > > > Hi Maria, > > > > > > Oh, yes, it is O.K and fine to take photos of headstones. Luckily, I > have > > > photos from the 1920's of my great grandparent's & great great > > grandparent's > > > headstones from Boyne City, MI. Headstones break, are kicked over by > > teens > > > & stolen. Some are military headstones from the Rev. & Civil War and > give > > > the Regiment's unit. > > > > > > There are whole sites devoted to photographing old headstones & putting > > them > > > on the 'net. I have a photograph of Capt. George Denison's headstone in > > CT > > > & he died in the 1600's. It is completely appropriate. > > > > > > I need to come back to MI & visit the Fifield Cemetery in Jackson County > & > > > see the Tainter monument. > > > > > > You should be able to type in your search engine the Dibean Marriage > Index > > & > > > get to a site or go to any MIGENWEB site. Washtenaw County MIGENWEB > lists > > > marriages posted by Jack & Marianne, under the T's, you would find > > "Tainter, > > > Daniel & Polly Godfrey" the first recorded marriage in MI on May 29th, > > 1832, > > > by Judge Doland, in Washtenaw County, MI. > > > > > > Remember to put any inf. about the headstones on paper or better yet do > a > > > "rubbing", place paper and place over the stone & rub with charcoal. > > > > > > Welcome to the world of genealogy--history, geography, biology, > > > investigation & detective work all rolled into one field. Great fun! > > > > > > Marilyn, in CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 8:11 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Marilyn, > > > > Well, most the McLarens seemed to have settled in Washtenaw/Lima > > Township > > > > area, but I have not ran across any Elizabeth in my search, but I will > > > check > > > > it out, what is the site to the Jack & Marianne Dibean's Marriage > > index,? > > > > And also, yes, the names you sent are all ancestors, I do have all > those > > > > names. And today, I am going to make a trip to the Cemetery in > Chelsea, > > > and > > > > look them up. I go to the cemetery twice a year, because that is where > > my > > > > gr-grandparents and grandparents are buried, but not until just > recently > > > did > > > > I find out all those other names were there too, but in a different > > > > location, so I am going to try to find them today. > > > > Also, I have a question, I have talked to a couple of people regarding > > > > genealogy, and they said to take pictures of the headstones. I > mentioned > > > it > > > > to a friend and he just thought that was the worse thing a person can > > do. > > > I > > > > said I was only taking pics of the headstones, not dead bodies. Now, > am > > I > > > > wondering if that is appropriate to do? > > > > What do you think? or anyone out there doing genealogy? > > > > Thanks again for the info, I really appreciate all the help from the > > > > wonderful people out there. > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:14 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maria, > > > > > > > > > > Here is one McLaren from the MI Dibean marriage index: > > > > > > > > > > 1, Emerson, Francis A Emerson, Mclaren, Elizabeth - Mclaren, > > Washtenaw, > > > 18 > > > > > Aug 1881, > > > > > > > > > > Again, good luck, > > > > > Marilyn in CA > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:58 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Santa, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is VERY FRUSTRATING. But thank you for the reply. I can > not > > > > > believe > > > > > > that they would take info from someone that was either so young, > or > > > not > > > > > even > > > > > > part of the family. But, who knows how they did things back then. > > > > > > My poor great grandmother, seems like no one knew anything about > > her. > > > > Her > > > > > > name, her birthdate, her birthplace, even her last name. I am > having > > > > such > > > > > a > > > > > > hard time finding anything that matches about her. According to > her > > > > death > > > > > > certificate which the informant was her own daughter, nothing > added > > up > > > > to > > > > > > what the census says. My mother said she was very close to her > > mother. > > > > > But, > > > > > > I am beginning to believe the census is more accurate, than what > my > > > > > > grandmother wrote on her death certificate. But I also, understand > > > that > > > > at > > > > > > those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this > is > > > > sure > > > > > a > > > > > > mystery waiting to be solved!!! > > > > > > I also would like to thank EVERYONE who has sent me info. In a > world > > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > not so perfect anymore, we still do have an awful lot of caring, > > > loving > > > > > > people out there who are willing to help other people, strangers, > > > that > > > > do > > > > > > not get the recognition.they deserve, so again I want to thank > > > everyone > > > > > very > > > > > > much. > > > > > > Have a wonderful, safe and happy weekend. > > > > > > Maria > > > > > > Jackson, Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:21 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maria -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand > > it, > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not > > have > > > > > known > > > > > > > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 > > year > > > > old > > > > > > > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if > desperate, > > a > > > > > > > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santa T. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am > > > beginning > > > > > to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never > > > > thought > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell > > one > > > > name > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > many ways. :-) > > > > > > > > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like > > they > > > > > did. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in > > 1910) > > > to > > > > > > Emily > > > > > > > > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to > being > > > born > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Wales. > > > > > > > > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > > > > > > > > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate > > it > > > so > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > much. > > > > > > > > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > > > > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. > > > > between > > > > > > > > 1869-70 > > > > > > > > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > > > > > > > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > > > > > > > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all > > searches. > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear Maria, Well, Fifield Cemtery is located on Lansing Rd. I was born in Lansing, but I guess my Dad never knew where his great grandfather was buried. I don't know if you are close by, but it may be a long time before I get a chance to go back ti MI. I am an R.N. and it seems every time I plan a vacation, even to just stay home it is ruined! I was last back to MI in 1999. Here is where it supposedly is, I do not know if it is overgrown or kept. "There is a Tainter family stone at Fifield Cemetary on Lansing Avenue about 5 miles north of Jackson. It would be located in Blackman Township. The stone is quite a large one and there is room for several graves, but there are no individual names listed." My Daniel Tainter & his family lived in Jackson, MI in & around Tompkins & Rives. He married Polly Godfrey in 1832. Daniel died in 1846, and then 1 son died at age 3 in 1848 and 2 grown daughters died, one Miriam Tainter in 1865 & then Mary Ann Tainter in 1870. Polly (Godfrey) Tainter died on Feb. 12, 1861. This must be where all my family is buried. If you ever get by there & it's not too far, I would love to see a photgraph of the monument. Did you find anymore McLaren's at the Dibean site? I think people struck by the genealogy bug are the most generous people. I have shared & received so much in kind! When you start hearing from your McLaren's you will be surprised! Always remember to search the spouses names, also. Sometimes the female line will have more inf. than the male lines. Sincerely, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Yes, photograph > Thanks Marilyn for the info. I just didn't want to think I was doing > something that would be inappropriate to do. > Where is Fifield Cemetery? I live in Jackson, and I have never heard of that > cemetery? If you want, I can try to take a photo and email it to you. You > have been such a help to me, I would like to repay the favor somehow. > After I get into this genealogy more, I hope I can help someone else out, > because so many people have been such a great help to me, and being new to > genealogy there is so much to learn. But, someday, I hope I will be able to > help someone else out who is new to it. > There is another person named Karen, that has helped me greatly. She is such > a sweetheart! In one of my other emails, I said that with so much negativity > going on, there REALLY is WONDERFUL people out there willing to help. And I > want to really thank them all from the bottom of my heart. > Maria > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 12:44 PM > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Yes, photograph > > > > Hi Maria, > > > > Oh, yes, it is O.K and fine to take photos of headstones. Luckily, I have > > photos from the 1920's of my great grandparent's & great great > grandparent's > > headstones from Boyne City, MI. Headstones break, are kicked over by > teens > > & stolen. Some are military headstones from the Rev. & Civil War and give > > the Regiment's unit. > > > > There are whole sites devoted to photographing old headstones & putting > them > > on the 'net. I have a photograph of Capt. George Denison's headstone in > CT > > & he died in the 1600's. It is completely appropriate. > > > > I need to come back to MI & visit the Fifield Cemetery in Jackson County & > > see the Tainter monument. > > > > You should be able to type in your search engine the Dibean Marriage Index > & > > get to a site or go to any MIGENWEB site. Washtenaw County MIGENWEB lists > > marriages posted by Jack & Marianne, under the T's, you would find > "Tainter, > > Daniel & Polly Godfrey" the first recorded marriage in MI on May 29th, > 1832, > > by Judge Doland, in Washtenaw County, MI. > > > > Remember to put any inf. about the headstones on paper or better yet do a > > "rubbing", place paper and place over the stone & rub with charcoal. > > > > Welcome to the world of genealogy--history, geography, biology, > > investigation & detective work all rolled into one field. Great fun! > > > > Marilyn, in CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 8:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > Thank you Marilyn, > > > Well, most the McLarens seemed to have settled in Washtenaw/Lima > Township > > > area, but I have not ran across any Elizabeth in my search, but I will > > check > > > it out, what is the site to the Jack & Marianne Dibean's Marriage > index,? > > > And also, yes, the names you sent are all ancestors, I do have all those > > > names. And today, I am going to make a trip to the Cemetery in Chelsea, > > and > > > look them up. I go to the cemetery twice a year, because that is where > my > > > gr-grandparents and grandparents are buried, but not until just recently > > did > > > I find out all those other names were there too, but in a different > > > location, so I am going to try to find them today. > > > Also, I have a question, I have talked to a couple of people regarding > > > genealogy, and they said to take pictures of the headstones. I mentioned > > it > > > to a friend and he just thought that was the worse thing a person can > do. > > I > > > said I was only taking pics of the headstones, not dead bodies. Now, am > I > > > wondering if that is appropriate to do? > > > What do you think? or anyone out there doing genealogy? > > > Thanks again for the info, I really appreciate all the help from the > > > wonderful people out there. > > > Maria > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > Maria, > > > > > > > > Here is one McLaren from the MI Dibean marriage index: > > > > > > > > 1, Emerson, Francis A Emerson, Mclaren, Elizabeth - Mclaren, > Washtenaw, > > 18 > > > > Aug 1881, > > > > > > > > Again, good luck, > > > > Marilyn in CA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:58 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Santa, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is VERY FRUSTRATING. But thank you for the reply. I can not > > > > believe > > > > > that they would take info from someone that was either so young, or > > not > > > > even > > > > > part of the family. But, who knows how they did things back then. > > > > > My poor great grandmother, seems like no one knew anything about > her. > > > Her > > > > > name, her birthdate, her birthplace, even her last name. I am having > > > such > > > > a > > > > > hard time finding anything that matches about her. According to her > > > death > > > > > certificate which the informant was her own daughter, nothing added > up > > > to > > > > > what the census says. My mother said she was very close to her > mother. > > > > But, > > > > > I am beginning to believe the census is more accurate, than what my > > > > > grandmother wrote on her death certificate. But I also, understand > > that > > > at > > > > > those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this is > > > sure > > > > a > > > > > mystery waiting to be solved!!! > > > > > I also would like to thank EVERYONE who has sent me info. In a world > > > that > > > > is > > > > > not so perfect anymore, we still do have an awful lot of caring, > > loving > > > > > people out there who are willing to help other people, strangers, > > that > > > do > > > > > not get the recognition.they deserve, so again I want to thank > > everyone > > > > very > > > > > much. > > > > > Have a wonderful, safe and happy weekend. > > > > > Maria > > > > > Jackson, Michigan > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:21 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maria -- > > > > > > > > > > > > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information > > about > > > > the > > > > > > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand > it, > > is > > > > > that > > > > > > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not > have > > > > known > > > > > > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 > year > > > old > > > > > > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, > a > > > > > > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Santa T. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am > > beginning > > > > to > > > > > > see > > > > > > > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never > > > thought > > > > > of > > > > > > > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell > one > > > name > > > > > so > > > > > > > many ways. :-) > > > > > > > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like > they > > > > did. > > > > > I > > > > > > > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in > 1910) > > to > > > > > Emily > > > > > > > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being > > born > > > > in > > > > > > > Wales. > > > > > > > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > > > > > > > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate > it > > so > > > > > very > > > > > > > much. > > > > > > > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > > > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. > > > between > > > > > > > 1869-70 > > > > > > > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > > > > > > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > > > > > > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all > searches. > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

If we didn't take photos of headstones there might not be a record of the person at all. Every person has different feelings on death and the dead; my husband would never walk OVER a grave--needless to say it takes him a long time to search a cemetery. Genie > Thank you Marilyn, > Well, most the McLarens seemed to have settled in Washtenaw/Lima Township > area, but I have not ran across any Elizabeth in my search, but I will check > it out, what is the site to the Jack & Marianne Dibean's Marriage index,? > And also, yes, the names you sent are all ancestors, I do have all those > names. And today, I am going to make a trip to the Cemetery in Chelsea, and > look them up. I go to the cemetery twice a year, because that is where my > gr-grandparents and grandparents are buried, but not until just recently did > I find out all those other names were there too, but in a different > location, so I am going to try to find them today. > Also, I have a question, I have talked to a couple of people regarding > genealogy, and they said to take pictures of the headstones. I mentioned it > to a friend and he just thought that was the worse thing a person can do. I > said I was only taking pics of the headstones, not dead bodies. Now, am I > wondering if that is appropriate to do? > What do you think? or anyone out there doing genealogy? > Thanks again for the info, I really appreciate all the help from the > wonderful people out there. > Maria > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > Maria, > > > > Here is one McLaren from the MI Dibean marriage index: > > > > 1, Emerson, Francis A Emerson, Mclaren, Elizabeth - Mclaren, Washtenaw, 18 > > Aug 1881, > > > > Again, good luck, > > Marilyn in CA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > Hi Santa, > > > > > > Yes, it is VERY FRUSTRATING. But thank you for the reply. I can not > > believe > > > that they would take info from someone that was either so young, or not > > even > > > part of the family. But, who knows how they did things back then. > > > My poor great grandmother, seems like no one knew anything about her. > Her > > > name, her birthdate, her birthplace, even her last name. I am having > such > > a > > > hard time finding anything that matches about her. According to her > death > > > certificate which the informant was her own daughter, nothing added up > to > > > what the census says. My mother said she was very close to her mother. > > But, > > > I am beginning to believe the census is more accurate, than what my > > > grandmother wrote on her death certificate. But I also, understand that > at > > > those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this is > sure > > a > > > mystery waiting to be solved!!! > > > I also would like to thank EVERYONE who has sent me info. In a world > that > > is > > > not so perfect anymore, we still do have an awful lot of caring, loving > > > people out there who are willing to help other people, strangers, that > do > > > not get the recognition.they deserve, so again I want to thank everyone > > very > > > much. > > > Have a wonderful, safe and happy weekend. > > > Maria > > > Jackson, Michigan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maria -- > > > > > > > > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information about > > the > > > > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand it, is > > > that > > > > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not have > > known > > > > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 year > old > > > > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, a > > > > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! > > > > > > > > Santa T. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am beginning > > to > > > > see > > > > > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never > thought > > > of > > > > > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one > name > > > so > > > > > many ways. :-) > > > > > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they > > did. > > > I > > > > > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) to > > > Emily > > > > > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being born > > in > > > > > Wales. > > > > > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > > > > > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it so > > > very > > > > > much. > > > > > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > > > > > > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > > > > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. > between > > > > > 1869-70 > > > > > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > > > > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > > > > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

But I also, understand that at those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this is sure a mystery waiting to be solved!!! This happens all the time, I got my greatgreat grandfathers death certificate and Im not sure that hes place of birth is correct eithier as it conflicts with family stories It was also given by a son whom was surely upset ! My sister just relived not long ago that she was listed as Black on my newphews birth certificate she is defiently not but when talking to the vital records department they said she marked it so thats how it had to stand even though If she did she was under a lot of pain medication after just giving birth and youd think a nurse or someone would have over seen that? She is listed white on her bc and the rest of the childrens but they say to change her sons she has to have a court order to amend???? God Bless Lizzy Maria Sibson wrote:

Thanks Marilyn for the info. I just didn't want to think I was doing something that would be inappropriate to do. Where is Fifield Cemetery? I live in Jackson, and I have never heard of that cemetery? If you want, I can try to take a photo and email it to you. You have been such a help to me, I would like to repay the favor somehow. After I get into this genealogy more, I hope I can help someone else out, because so many people have been such a great help to me, and being new to genealogy there is so much to learn. But, someday, I hope I will be able to help someone else out who is new to it. There is another person named Karen, that has helped me greatly. She is such a sweetheart! In one of my other emails, I said that with so much negativity going on, there REALLY is WONDERFUL people out there willing to help. And I want to really thank them all from the bottom of my heart. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: [MIWASHTE] Yes, photograph > Hi Maria, > > Oh, yes, it is O.K and fine to take photos of headstones. Luckily, I have > photos from the 1920's of my great grandparent's & great great grandparent's > headstones from Boyne City, MI. Headstones break, are kicked over by teens > & stolen. Some are military headstones from the Rev. & Civil War and give > the Regiment's unit. > > There are whole sites devoted to photographing old headstones & putting them > on the 'net. I have a photograph of Capt. George Denison's headstone in CT > & he died in the 1600's. It is completely appropriate. > > I need to come back to MI & visit the Fifield Cemetery in Jackson County & > see the Tainter monument. > > You should be able to type in your search engine the Dibean Marriage Index & > get to a site or go to any MIGENWEB site. Washtenaw County MIGENWEB lists > marriages posted by Jack & Marianne, under the T's, you would find "Tainter, > Daniel & Polly Godfrey" the first recorded marriage in MI on May 29th, 1832, > by Judge Doland, in Washtenaw County, MI. > > Remember to put any inf. about the headstones on paper or better yet do a > "rubbing", place paper and place over the stone & rub with charcoal. > > Welcome to the world of genealogy--history, geography, biology, > investigation & detective work all rolled into one field. Great fun! > > Marilyn, in CA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > Thank you Marilyn, > > Well, most the McLarens seemed to have settled in Washtenaw/Lima Township > > area, but I have not ran across any Elizabeth in my search, but I will > check > > it out, what is the site to the Jack & Marianne Dibean's Marriage index,? > > And also, yes, the names you sent are all ancestors, I do have all those > > names. And today, I am going to make a trip to the Cemetery in Chelsea, > and > > look them up. I go to the cemetery twice a year, because that is where my > > gr-grandparents and grandparents are buried, but not until just recently > did > > I find out all those other names were there too, but in a different > > location, so I am going to try to find them today. > > Also, I have a question, I have talked to a couple of people regarding > > genealogy, and they said to take pictures of the headstones. I mentioned > it > > to a friend and he just thought that was the worse thing a person can do. > I > > said I was only taking pics of the headstones, not dead bodies. Now, am I > > wondering if that is appropriate to do? > > What do you think? or anyone out there doing genealogy? > > Thanks again for the info, I really appreciate all the help from the > > wonderful people out there. > > Maria > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > Maria, > > > > > > Here is one McLaren from the MI Dibean marriage index: > > > > > > 1, Emerson, Francis A Emerson, Mclaren, Elizabeth - Mclaren, Washtenaw, > 18 > > > Aug 1881, > > > > > > Again, good luck, > > > Marilyn in CA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Santa, > > > > > > > > Yes, it is VERY FRUSTRATING. But thank you for the reply. I can not > > > believe > > > > that they would take info from someone that was either so young, or > not > > > even > > > > part of the family. But, who knows how they did things back then. > > > > My poor great grandmother, seems like no one knew anything about her. > > Her > > > > name, her birthdate, her birthplace, even her last name. I am having > > such > > > a > > > > hard time finding anything that matches about her. According to her > > death > > > > certificate which the informant was her own daughter, nothing added up > > to > > > > what the census says. My mother said she was very close to her mother. > > > But, > > > > I am beginning to believe the census is more accurate, than what my > > > > grandmother wrote on her death certificate. But I also, understand > that > > at > > > > those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this is > > sure > > > a > > > > mystery waiting to be solved!!! > > > > I also would like to thank EVERYONE who has sent me info. In a world > > that > > > is > > > > not so perfect anymore, we still do have an awful lot of caring, > loving > > > > people out there who are willing to help other people, strangers, > that > > do > > > > not get the recognition.they deserve, so again I want to thank > everyone > > > very > > > > much. > > > > Have a wonderful, safe and happy weekend. > > > > Maria > > > > Jackson, Michigan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:21 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maria -- > > > > > > > > > > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information > about > > > the > > > > > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand it, > is > > > > that > > > > > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not have > > > known > > > > > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 year > > old > > > > > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, a > > > > > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! > > > > > > > > > > Santa T. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am > beginning > > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never > > thought > > > > of > > > > > > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one > > name > > > > so > > > > > > many ways. :-) > > > > > > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they > > > did. > > > > I > > > > > > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) > to > > > > Emily > > > > > > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being > born > > > in > > > > > > Wales. > > > > > > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > > > > > > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it > so > > > > very > > > > > > much. > > > > > > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > > > > > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. > > between > > > > > > 1869-70 > > > > > > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > > > > > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > > > > > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. > I > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Sat, 29 May 2004, Santa Traugott wrote: > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information about the > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand it, is that > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not have known > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 year old > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, a > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! It's also the case that spelling of names was not as rigidly standardized 150 years ago as it is today -- especially among immigrant families. One German family, the owners for decades of an old house I was researching, seemed to be listed with a different surname spelling in each city directory year, let alone each census. My own surname, Kestenbaum, emerged as a standard spelling only around 1915. Before that, there were a great many variations. My great grandfather kept the eccentric spelling Kestnbaum, perhaps to distinguish himself from another Benjamin Kestenbaum who was also in the shoe repair business on the Lower East Side of New York City at the time. My father, who was raised in foster homes, ended up with the more standard spelling of Kestenbaum. But people outside my immediate family who spell the name that way have no known relation to me. Larry --- Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@potifos.com The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com Mailing address: P.O. Box 2563, Ann Arbor MI 48106

Thank you Marilyn, Well, most the McLarens seemed to have settled in Washtenaw/Lima Township area, but I have not ran across any Elizabeth in my search, but I will check it out, what is the site to the Jack & Marianne Dibean's Marriage index,? And also, yes, the names you sent are all ancestors, I do have all those names. And today, I am going to make a trip to the Cemetery in Chelsea, and look them up. I go to the cemetery twice a year, because that is where my gr-grandparents and grandparents are buried, but not until just recently did I find out all those other names were there too, but in a different location, so I am going to try to find them today. Also, I have a question, I have talked to a couple of people regarding genealogy, and they said to take pictures of the headstones. I mentioned it to a friend and he just thought that was the worse thing a person can do. I said I was only taking pics of the headstones, not dead bodies. Now, am I wondering if that is appropriate to do? What do you think? or anyone out there doing genealogy? Thanks again for the info, I really appreciate all the help from the wonderful people out there. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > Maria, > > Here is one McLaren from the MI Dibean marriage index: > > 1, Emerson, Francis A Emerson, Mclaren, Elizabeth - Mclaren, Washtenaw, 18 > Aug 1881, > > Again, good luck, > Marilyn in CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > Hi Santa, > > > > Yes, it is VERY FRUSTRATING. But thank you for the reply. I can not > believe > > that they would take info from someone that was either so young, or not > even > > part of the family. But, who knows how they did things back then. > > My poor great grandmother, seems like no one knew anything about her. Her > > name, her birthdate, her birthplace, even her last name. I am having such > a > > hard time finding anything that matches about her. According to her death > > certificate which the informant was her own daughter, nothing added up to > > what the census says. My mother said she was very close to her mother. > But, > > I am beginning to believe the census is more accurate, than what my > > grandmother wrote on her death certificate. But I also, understand that at > > those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this is sure > a > > mystery waiting to be solved!!! > > I also would like to thank EVERYONE who has sent me info. In a world that > is > > not so perfect anymore, we still do have an awful lot of caring, loving > > people out there who are willing to help other people, strangers, that do > > not get the recognition.they deserve, so again I want to thank everyone > very > > much. > > Have a wonderful, safe and happy weekend. > > Maria > > Jackson, Michigan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > Hi Maria -- > > > > > > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information about > the > > > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand it, is > > that > > > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not have > known > > > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 year old > > > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, a > > > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! > > > > > > Santa T. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am beginning > to > > > see > > > > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never thought > > of > > > > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one name > > so > > > > many ways. :-) > > > > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they > did. > > I > > > > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) to > > Emily > > > > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being born > in > > > > Wales. > > > > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > > > > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it so > > very > > > > much. > > > > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > > > > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > > > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. between > > > > 1869-70 > > > > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > > > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > > > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I > > have > > > a > > > > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Santa, Yes, it is VERY FRUSTRATING. But thank you for the reply. I can not believe that they would take info from someone that was either so young, or not even part of the family. But, who knows how they did things back then. My poor great grandmother, seems like no one knew anything about her. Her name, her birthdate, her birthplace, even her last name. I am having such a hard time finding anything that matches about her. According to her death certificate which the informant was her own daughter, nothing added up to what the census says. My mother said she was very close to her mother. But, I am beginning to believe the census is more accurate, than what my grandmother wrote on her death certificate. But I also, understand that at those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this is sure a mystery waiting to be solved!!! I also would like to thank EVERYONE who has sent me info. In a world that is not so perfect anymore, we still do have an awful lot of caring, loving people out there who are willing to help other people, strangers, that do not get the recognition.they deserve, so again I want to thank everyone very much. Have a wonderful, safe and happy weekend. Maria Jackson, Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > Hi Maria -- > > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information about the > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand it, is that > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not have known > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 year old > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, a > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! > > Santa T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am beginning to > see > > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never thought of > > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one name so > > many ways. :-) > > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they did. I > > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) to Emily > > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being born in > > Wales. > > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it so very > > much. > > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. between > > 1869-70 > > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I have > a > > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Maria, Oh, yes, it is O.K and fine to take photos of headstones. Luckily, I have photos from the 1920's of my great grandparent's & great great grandparent's headstones from Boyne City, MI. Headstones break, are kicked over by teens & stolen. Some are military headstones from the Rev. & Civil War and give the Regiment's unit. There are whole sites devoted to photographing old headstones & putting them on the 'net. I have a photograph of Capt. George Denison's headstone in CT & he died in the 1600's. It is completely appropriate. I need to come back to MI & visit the Fifield Cemetery in Jackson County & see the Tainter monument. You should be able to type in your search engine the Dibean Marriage Index & get to a site or go to any MIGENWEB site. Washtenaw County MIGENWEB lists marriages posted by Jack & Marianne, under the T's, you would find "Tainter, Daniel & Polly Godfrey" the first recorded marriage in MI on May 29th, 1832, by Judge Doland, in Washtenaw County, MI. Remember to put any inf. about the headstones on paper or better yet do a "rubbing", place paper and place over the stone & rub with charcoal. Welcome to the world of genealogy--history, geography, biology, investigation & detective work all rolled into one field. Great fun! Marilyn, in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > Thank you Marilyn, > Well, most the McLarens seemed to have settled in Washtenaw/Lima Township > area, but I have not ran across any Elizabeth in my search, but I will check > it out, what is the site to the Jack & Marianne Dibean's Marriage index,? > And also, yes, the names you sent are all ancestors, I do have all those > names. And today, I am going to make a trip to the Cemetery in Chelsea, and > look them up. I go to the cemetery twice a year, because that is where my > gr-grandparents and grandparents are buried, but not until just recently did > I find out all those other names were there too, but in a different > location, so I am going to try to find them today. > Also, I have a question, I have talked to a couple of people regarding > genealogy, and they said to take pictures of the headstones. I mentioned it > to a friend and he just thought that was the worse thing a person can do. I > said I was only taking pics of the headstones, not dead bodies. Now, am I > wondering if that is appropriate to do? > What do you think? or anyone out there doing genealogy? > Thanks again for the info, I really appreciate all the help from the > wonderful people out there. > Maria > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > Maria, > > > > Here is one McLaren from the MI Dibean marriage index: > > > > 1, Emerson, Francis A Emerson, Mclaren, Elizabeth - Mclaren, Washtenaw, 18 > > Aug 1881, > > > > Again, good luck, > > Marilyn in CA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > Hi Santa, > > > > > > Yes, it is VERY FRUSTRATING. But thank you for the reply. I can not > > believe > > > that they would take info from someone that was either so young, or not > > even > > > part of the family. But, who knows how they did things back then. > > > My poor great grandmother, seems like no one knew anything about her. > Her > > > name, her birthdate, her birthplace, even her last name. I am having > such > > a > > > hard time finding anything that matches about her. According to her > death > > > certificate which the informant was her own daughter, nothing added up > to > > > what the census says. My mother said she was very close to her mother. > > But, > > > I am beginning to believe the census is more accurate, than what my > > > grandmother wrote on her death certificate. But I also, understand that > at > > > those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this is > sure > > a > > > mystery waiting to be solved!!! > > > I also would like to thank EVERYONE who has sent me info. In a world > that > > is > > > not so perfect anymore, we still do have an awful lot of caring, loving > > > people out there who are willing to help other people, strangers, that > do > > > not get the recognition.they deserve, so again I want to thank everyone > > very > > > much. > > > Have a wonderful, safe and happy weekend. > > > Maria > > > Jackson, Michigan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maria -- > > > > > > > > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information about > > the > > > > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand it, is > > > that > > > > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not have > > known > > > > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 year > old > > > > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, a > > > > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! > > > > > > > > Santa T. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am beginning > > to > > > > see > > > > > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never > thought > > > of > > > > > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one > name > > > so > > > > > many ways. :-) > > > > > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they > > did. > > > I > > > > > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) to > > > Emily > > > > > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being born > > in > > > > > Wales. > > > > > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > > > > > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it so > > > very > > > > > much. > > > > > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > > > > > > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > > > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > > > > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. > between > > > > > 1869-70 > > > > > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > > > > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > > > > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Maria, Here is one McLaren from the MI Dibean marriage index: 1, Emerson, Francis A Emerson, Mclaren, Elizabeth - Mclaren, Washtenaw, 18 Aug 1881, Again, good luck, Marilyn in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > Hi Santa, > > Yes, it is VERY FRUSTRATING. But thank you for the reply. I can not believe > that they would take info from someone that was either so young, or not even > part of the family. But, who knows how they did things back then. > My poor great grandmother, seems like no one knew anything about her. Her > name, her birthdate, her birthplace, even her last name. I am having such a > hard time finding anything that matches about her. According to her death > certificate which the informant was her own daughter, nothing added up to > what the census says. My mother said she was very close to her mother. But, > I am beginning to believe the census is more accurate, than what my > grandmother wrote on her death certificate. But I also, understand that at > those kinds of times, you just don't think right anyway. But this is sure a > mystery waiting to be solved!!! > I also would like to thank EVERYONE who has sent me info. In a world that is > not so perfect anymore, we still do have an awful lot of caring, loving > people out there who are willing to help other people, strangers, that do > not get the recognition.they deserve, so again I want to thank everyone very > much. > Have a wonderful, safe and happy weekend. > Maria > Jackson, Michigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > Hi Maria -- > > > > The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information about the > > same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand it, is > that > > information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not have known > > very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 year old > > child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, a > > neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! > > > > Santa T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am beginning to > > see > > > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never thought > of > > > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one name > so > > > many ways. :-) > > > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they did. > I > > > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) to > Emily > > > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being born in > > > Wales. > > > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > > > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it so > very > > > much. > > > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > > > > > Maria > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > > > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > > > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. between > > > 1869-70 > > > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I > have > > a > > > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Maria, Yes, aren't the Victorian's strange? My Tainter family of Jackson/Washtenaw County Michigan changed their names almost EVERY census! Either the Census takers made errors or they could not decide which names they liked best. My great grandmother went from Maggie to Madge in 10 years. Her mother, Alice Eliza (Hull) Tainter could not decide between Alice or Eliza! It sure makes our work hard. I had to SEARCH every page of the 1850 Jackson County, MI Census to find Polly Tainter and they misspelled her name as "TINTER", so make sure to spell & search for every possible variation of your names. Gendis is a great site to find deaths in MI before 1897. Also, check out Jack & Marianne Dibean's Marriage index, they have almost every marriage in MI recorded. Are these your McLaren's in the Porters Cemetery: McLaren, Daniel Sep 23, 1857 age 71 yrs McLaren, Myron Dec 23, 1869 age 24 yrs 19 mo 18 da McLaren, James Aug 9, 1835 s/o Daniel & Sarah (Winslow) McLaren McLaren, Sarah (Winslow) Jun 1, 1870 age 60 yrs 10 mo McLaren, M. Ardene Oct 23, 1854 age 1 yr 2 mo 21 da McLaren, Jane Sep 2, 18?? age 7 yrs 6 mo (stone is broken and gone on that side) Good luck, Marilyn in CA (isn't great the internet helps us to find this history?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am beginning to see > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never thought of > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one name so > many ways. :-) > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they did. I > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) to Emily > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being born in > Wales. > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it so very > much. > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > Maria > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. between > 1869-70 > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I have a > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > >

Hi Maria -- The U.S. census does not necessarily give consistent information about the same person from census to census. One reason, as I understand it, is that information was often obtained from an "informant" who may not have known very much and was guessing--the informant could have been a 14 year old child of the household, a domestic, or in some cases if desperate, a neighbor. It's frustrating, isn't it! Santa T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Sibson" <mariamsibson@comcast.net> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am beginning to see > where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never thought of > looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one name so > many ways. :-) > I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they did. I > had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) to Emily > Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being born in > Wales. > Did they just guess at this stuff or what? > But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it so very > much. > Have a safe and happy weekend. > > Maria > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Famg1211@aol.com> > To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM > Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > > > > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. between > 1869-70 > > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I have a > > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > > > > > >

Thank you for the info. I am kind of new to this, and I am beginning to see where the names have been changed for whatever reason. I never thought of looking up different spellings. I can't believe you can spell one name so many ways. :-) I don't understand how they could of changed their names like they did. I had a great grandmother that went from Louise A. (Census in 1910) to Emily Louise in 1920. She also went to being born in Canada, to being born in Wales. Did they just guess at this stuff or what? But, anyway, thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it so very much. Have a safe and happy weekend. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: <Famg1211@aol.com> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: [MIWASHTE] Re: McLaren in Washtenaw Co. > Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. between 1869-70 > (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: > http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp > There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. > > > Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I have a > James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married. > >

Michigan GENDIS site lists McLaren deaths in Washtenaw Co. between 1869-70 (Cora, Myron, and Sarah). This indes can be searched at: http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/scripts/search.asp There are a John and Jane McClaren listed for Saginaw Co. Also remember to check for alternate spellings on all searches. I have a James C. MacLaren in Montcalm Co., MI in 1914 when he married.

Thanks Kay, No I was not aware of that. I will check it out. I am sort of new to genealogy, and not quite sure about things, but I will check it out and thank you for the info. I really appreciate it. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kaykarl@aol.com> To: <MIWASHTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [MIWASHTE] RE: MCLARENS IN MICHIGAN > I assume you are familiar with the McLaren Coal & Ice Company in Plymouth, > MI, long a landmark. If not contact Plymouth Historical Museum. KW > >

I assume you are familiar with the McLaren Coal & Ice Company in Plymouth, MI, long a landmark. If not contact Plymouth Historical Museum. KW

I often wonder if I am the only McLAREN searching their roots. I have checked every place I know of trying to match up MCLARENS in the Lima Township/Chelsea, Washtenaw county, Ann Arbor, Jackson and surrounding areas. I have sent messages on almost every McLaren message board that I know of in these areas. I think to myself, I can not be the only surviving McLARENS still in this area. There has to be other McLARENS still in this area and surrounding area that are related in some form or another. If you know any MCLARENS in these areas, you might mention to them that there is a search going on, and forward my email address to them. Or any of the names mentioned below. I would greatly appreciate any info on any of them. mariamsibson@comcast.net The McLarens names that I have are as follows: Daniel McLaren d. Sept. 23, 1857 - m. Sarah Winslow d. May 30, 1870 Children of Daniel and Sarah Winslow: James R. McLaren d. Dec. 5, 1911 - m. Virginia Duncan d. March 1, 1901 Ardene Myron Jane Children of James R. and Virginia Duncan Daniel C. McLaren - d. March. 23, 1933 - m. Emma Olive Newkirk d. Sept. 12. 1935 - Children of Daniel & Emma Wirt S. McLaren John D. d. May 1915 m. Amy VanVleet d. May 14, 1936 Children of John D. & Amy - Charles M, James W. John Jr. George H., Harold D. Dr. Jay L. (Los Angeles CA at time of death), Was a Dr. in Saginaw, MI Nellie B.of Plymouth Wilber of Lima Township, Chelsea, MI Josephine (married W.A Brewer) James Jr. Mary d. at very early age Medora d at very early age Janie d. at very early age If any of these names sound familar please let me know, Thank you all for your time. Maria Sibson Jackson, MI mariamsibson@comcast.net