Hello all - I am sorry that someone has recieved "hate mail" from our wonderful listers. Karen - I have, and have seen many others, forward messages to interested lists and all have ask that they reply to the sender of the original message. As far as receiving "hate mail", I think that most of us have recieved what we call "flames" at one time or another - on my part it was usually because I didn't think things thru before I wrote the message, however I have not dropped any of the lists I am on, but I did do a lot of apologizing for awhile. We all have bad days - and since we don't know each other personally we need to take into account that another person that we don't know personally can have a bad day also. Carla - Please don't be hurt that someone wouldn't take "documented proof" - there are so many web sites that have lineages - am most of us (and correct me if I am wrong here) like to see the "documented proof" in their own hands - guess thats just the way we are - but that is good in a way, because that means most of us take the information we have gotten via Email (without paper in hand), and look for substantuating information. Something to think about - there are several published books and web sites that list that my father and grandfather were born in TX- No so, however - in doing seaches on the internet, they found that this son and father AQUIRED their SSC card in TX - and yes they did - but on a business trip, my father was born in OK, and his grandfather was born in MO - So you see, investigating more than one sourse is a very good thing. Dot