Nope, Chanute was at Rantoul (Chanute AFB has only closed in the last decade or so); Scott AFB is in Belleville.<g> Megan "Piglet" Zurawicz, ListPig [email protected] [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MO] Army Air Corps School George, Scott Fld or Scott Air Force Base at I believe was Rantoual Illinios was the Radio Maintenace School. Not Chanute. I believe your right on everthing else. I went to through Radio School after they moved it to Keesler. Stan Brookshier ==== Missouri Mailing List ==== Please visit MOGenWeb at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mogenweb/mo.htm ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

George, you think 1970 a long time ago. What about 1954? That's when my husband finished. He was in Lackland Wichita Falls, Tx and at Shepards and Scott in Il. and Eglin, Florida and 2 years in Alaska, Barter Island. Now that is a long time ago. He was in the 140? Sqdn.? in radio. Not in W.W.II, later. Donna Black Roberts in CA George Ude wrote: > Norma et al, > > Gosh! This could drag on. As I e-mailed Sheri and which didn't get in the > list, the 1403 AAFBU was the 1403rd AAF Base Unit. The AAF stands for > ":Army Air Force", the predecessor of today's USAF. The AAF basic training > base that I was sent to and the only one I ever heard of was Shepherd Field, > Texas. Chanute was an advanced training base and I don't recall what > technical schools were located there but one must have been motor vehicle > management/maintenance. Another, I believe, was connected with radio ion. > ATC was the Air Transport Command. After WW2 and possible not until the > Korean thing, Air Transport Command -ATC became Military Air Transport > Service-MATS and the Air Training Command took over the ATC acronym. MATS > in the 1950s became MAC for Military Airlift Command. I don't know what the > current acronyms are as I retired from USAF in 1970. Gad! What a long time > ago. > > Cheers, > > George Ude > Major, USAF Retired. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [MO] World War 2 -- ? for any soldier > > > Sheri > > > > I spoke with my 82 year old father.. he was a pilot in WWII and his memory > > isn't too perfect, but he told me that he thinks the 1403 might have been > the > > designation for Chanute Field... AAF stood for Army Air Field (the corps > was > > called Army Air CORP back then and wasn't the Air Force till 1947). > > > > He said Chanute was a big Basic Training facility and Classification point > > for Army GI's and also a field where the Motor Pool school and Crew Chief > > School was located. He believes the ATC stood for Army Training Command > or > > Army Training Course. > > > > You have the proper explanation for the ribbons and the sleeve bars (one > bar > > per tour). > > > > The little "ruptured duck" lapel pin was issued to all returning Vets. It > > signified they had served and were honorably discharged. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Norma McGarrey > > > > > > ==== Missouri Mailing List ==== > > Visit http://www.usgenweb.org > > The USGenWeb Project-Archives-Census-Tombstone > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > ==== Missouri Mailing List ==== > Need to find the county for a town? Yale Peabody Museum GNIS site: > http://www.peabody.yale.edu/other/gnis > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Yes, Shepherd AFB is in Wichita Falls, Texas. I was stationed at Maxwell AFB (Maxwell Field). It is in Montgomery Alabama. >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [MO] WWII - Sheperd & Maxwell Fields >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:00:10 EST >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [63.92.80.123] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBC8B47A40059D82197EF3F5C507B05F90; Wed Mar 28 07:00:55 2001 >Received: (from [email protected])by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id >f2SF0U625548;Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:00:30 -0700 >From [email protected] Wed Mar 28 07:02:05 2001 >Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:00:30 -0700 >X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Wed Mar 28 08:00:30 2001 >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Old-To: [email protected], [email protected] >X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 >Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Resent-From: [email protected] >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/18753 >X-Loop: [email protected] >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: [email protected] > >Leslie, >Shepherd AFB is in Witchita Falls, TX. My dad helped to build a lot of the >barracks there during WWII. I'll check on the other one and find out where >it is. > >Jann >OkC > > >==== Missouri Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.usgenweb.org >The USGenWeb Project-Archives-Census-Tombstone > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

--part1_80.8cb937e.27f357f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Maxwell AFB is in Alabama and as far as I know it is still in use. Sheppard AFB was I believe in Witcha Falls Texas. Many of these old training bases have been closed in the lst 30 or so years and also there missions were changed. I'm retired Air Force like Geo Ude. But my memory is getting faulty. I think Sheppard msay have been a trng base for Aircraft Mechanic's, but could have also been used for pilot trng at the same time. Many of the old WWII base's have been turned over to the states and are now Air National Guard Bases. I was an Aircraft Mechanic and a Radio Maint Technician both. But not at the same time. I retrained from Aircraft Maint into the Radio Maint Field. I mention this because there were many other enlisted men that did this also. So yours or anyones son, uncle cousin could have been in more than one career field, during there time in the service TSgt Stan Brookshier USAF (Ret.) --part1_80.8cb937e.27f357f6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-xd02.mx.aol.com (rly-xd02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.167]) by air-xd05.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:45:11 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by rly-xd02.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:44:35 1900 Received: (from [email protected]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f2SEiKa27104; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:44:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:44:20 -0700 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Wed Mar 28 07:44:19 2001 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: "~~Leslie~~" <[email protected]> Old-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:48:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [MO] WWII - Sheperd & Maxwell Fields Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/18752 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] > > Shepherd Field, TX `````````` My father (Frank Clayton Bridges) was in the Army Air Corp during WWII. He was stationed somewhere in TX, and this must have been the place. He later went to Maxwell Field... Alabama? He had passed all of the tests to be a pilot, but flying the plane during training scared him. (I can't imagine his ever being afraid of anything. C'est la vie!) Anyway, he asked to be changed to a bombadier (sp). Is Maxwell Field the place for that training? Is is in Alabama? I remember my parents telling me about it many times, but can't seem to pull in all of the details. Leslie (Bridges) Kohler ==== Missouri Mailing List ==== See http://www.rootsweb.com/~mogenweb/mo.htm for all the available MO county lists. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --part1_80.8cb937e.27f357f6_boundary--

Leslie, Shepherd AFB is in Witchita Falls, TX. My dad helped to build a lot of the barracks there during WWII. I'll check on the other one and find out where it is. Jann OkC

> > Shepherd Field, TX `````````` My father (Frank Clayton Bridges) was in the Army Air Corps during WWII. He was stationed somewhere in TX, and this must have been the place. He later went to Maxwell Field... Alabama? He had passed all of the tests to be a pilot, but flying the plane during training scared him. (I can't imagine his ever being afraid of anything. C'est la vie!) Anyway, he asked to be changed to a bombardier (sp). Is Maxwell Field the place for that training? Is it in Alabama? I remember my parents telling me about it many times, but can't seem to pull in all of the details. Leslie (Bridges) Kohler

> > Shepherd Field, TX `````````` My father (Frank Clayton Bridges) was in the Army Air Corp during WWII. He was stationed somewhere in TX, and this must have been the place. He later went to Maxwell Field... Alabama? He had passed all of the tests to be a pilot, but flying the plane during training scared him. (I can't imagine his ever being afraid of anything. C'est la vie!) Anyway, he asked to be changed to a bombadier (sp). Is Maxwell Field the place for that training? Is is in Alabama? I remember my parents telling me about it many times, but can't seem to pull in all of the details. Leslie (Bridges) Kohler

Norma et al, Gosh! This could drag on. As I e-mailed Sheri and which didn't get in the list, the 1403 AAFBU was the 1403rd AAF Base Unit. The AAF stands for ":Army Air Force", the predecessor of today's USAF. The AAF basic training base that I was sent to and the only one I ever heard of was Shepherd Field, Texas. Chanute was an advanced training base and I don't recall what technical schools were located there but one must have been motor vehicle management/maintenance. Another, I believe, was connected with radio ion. ATC was the Air Transport Command. After WW2 and possible not until the Korean thing, Air Transport Command -ATC became Military Air Transport Service-MATS and the Air Training Command took over the ATC acronym. MATS in the 1950s became MAC for Military Airlift Command. I don't know what the current acronyms are as I retired from USAF in 1970. Gad! What a long time ago. Cheers, George Ude Major, USAF Retired. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MO] World War 2 -- ? for any soldier > Sheri > > I spoke with my 82 year old father.. he was a pilot in WWII and his memory > isn't too perfect, but he told me that he thinks the 1403 might have been the > designation for Chanute Field... AAF stood for Army Air Field (the corps was > called Army Air CORP back then and wasn't the Air Force till 1947). > > He said Chanute was a big Basic Training facility and Classification point > for Army GI's and also a field where the Motor Pool school and Crew Chief > School was located. He believes the ATC stood for Army Training Command or > Army Training Course. > > You have the proper explanation for the ribbons and the sleeve bars (one bar > per tour). > > The little "ruptured duck" lapel pin was issued to all returning Vets. It > signified they had served and were honorably discharged. > > Hope this helps. > > Norma McGarrey > > > ==== Missouri Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.usgenweb.org > The USGenWeb Project-Archives-Census-Tombstone > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hi All, The "Ruptured Duck" was given to all honorable discharged service members from WW2. An embroidered one was sewn on the uniform of many discharged vets -- mine wasn't -- and the lapel button I and contemporaries received was a gold (?) coated plastic affair for wear in the lapel of civies. I don't think alot of us wore them very long but have them stashed away with mementos of that time. George Ude > I remember a lapel button my dad wore called the "ruptured duck" pin. I > don't remember whether it was just for service or for being wounded in WW > II. > > You can probably get a definitive answer on the sci.military.moderated > newsgroup. > > WDA >

Sheri, You wrote: ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////// I just got some info back on my Uncle who was a corporal in WW 2 .Can someone interpret the following for me ? Service -- 2-15-1943 to 3-10-1946 Rank -- corporal Assignments ----- 1403 AAF BU ED ATC E Education ----- AAF Chanute Field , Illinois Motor Vehicle School Decorations -- Victory Ribbon -- European African Middle Eastern Theatre Ribbon Good Conduct Medal Lapel Button 4 Overseas Bars I had to send at least 3 letters over the period of the last year - just to get this little bit . The letter says this is all they have ? Can any soldiers enlighten me on this info . Thankyou all sheri ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////////// What you are seeing here are some old acronyms from the U.S. Army. These change as time goes by. You were sent one explanation relative to your Uncle in that he: Entered the U.S. Army on 15 Feb 1943 and was discharged on 10 March 1946. After basic training which may have been at Chanute Field in Rantoul, Illinois, he attended the Motor Vehicle training School and was most probably assigned to the U.S Army Air Corps in the Motor Pool. There really isn't enough in this list to provide a complete description of his movements. Most probably the other information after his Rank of Corporal translates to: 1403 could be a unit designation OR his Military Occupational Speciality (MOS), in this case it probably refers to his unit of assignment, Enlisted personnel MOS codes are usually 5 numbers. AAF - Army Air Force, Actually it was the U.S. Army Air Corps which in 1947 became the U..S. Air Force. BU, not even a good guess here. ED, same comment. ATC - Most probably is the abbreviation for the "Air Training Command" . Decorations: Actually none of the items listed are Decorations, they are Awards. There are basically two different categories Awards, which are given to large numbers of individuals or units While Decorations are given to individuals And yes there are exceptions: In the case of your uncle: -Victory Ribbon- This is an award and is actually the World War II Victory Medal, it was given to all Military Personal who served during WW II, if interested I can attempt to find the period of eligibility. European African Middle Eastern Theatre Ribbon and is actually known as the European African Middle Eastern Theatre Campaign Medal. This too is an award, and is also accompanied by a Medal, it was given to all Military Personal who served in the theatre of operation. Individuals were also awarded bronze battle stars for each campaign which were worn on the ribbon. These battle stars were normally for a period of time. Your uncle could have served time in Africa, the Middle East or in Europe, the Medal covers the entire area. The Good Conduct Medal was given to all Enlisted Personnel who served a minimum of 1 year of enlisted service and was for "Good Conduct", successive awards were given. The Lapel Pin was loving referred to as the "Ruptured Duck" was an award and was given to all Military Personnel upon discharge after the end of World War II. It was meant to be worn on the lapel of civilian dress to indicate that the individual was a Honorably Discharged Member of the U.S. Military Services. As previously mentioned the 4 Bars indicate 2 years overseas. If you write the Military Records Center on Page Ave. in St. Louis and provide them with a copy of what you already have and his Social Security Number you could request a copy of his WD 398 which may provide additional information. Bill Some Data on cemeteries and funeral homes <http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/buchholz.htm> Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSING-STAUDER- STIEFFERMANN

Sheri I spoke with my 82 year old father.. he was a pilot in WWII and his memory isn't too perfect, but he told me that he thinks the 1403 might have been the designation for Chanute Field... AAF stood for Army Air Field (the corps was called Army Air CORP back then and wasn't the Air Force till 1947). He said Chanute was a big Basic Training facility and Classification point for Army GI's and also a field where the Motor Pool school and Crew Chief School was located. He believes the ATC stood for Army Training Command or Army Training Course. You have the proper explanation for the ribbons and the sleeve bars (one bar per tour). The little "ruptured duck" lapel pin was issued to all returning Vets. It signified they had served and were honorably discharged. Hope this helps. Norma McGarrey

Could someone check the 1900 Missouri Census for the following? I've checked Illinois , where they married in 1887, but, they don't seem to be in that state after the marriage . So, I am expanding my search. My other relatives from southern Illinois , all went to St.Louis area for a while at least. Some moved back to Illinois and some stayed there. I am hoping the people below did this also. Thank You for any help! Head of household: JOHN W. NEISS / NICE / NEIS ,born in Germany , in 1843 (He would be about 57 yrs old in the 1900 Census) Wife: LAURA JANE (have also seen her name spelt JANE / LEIR / LEON ) She was born in Tennessee in 1844 , and would be abt. 56 yrs old in the 1900 Census

Hi George and Sheri, I remember a lapel button my dad wore called the "ruptured duck" pin. I don't remember whether it was just for service or for being wounded in WW II. You can probably get a definitive answer on the sci.military.moderated newsgroup. WDA end ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Patterson Sr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [MO] World War 2 -- ? for any soldier > Sheri, > > Your Uncle entered the service on 15 Feb 1943 and was discharged on 10 > Mar 1946 at the rank of Corporal. > > His first assignment, after basic training, was at the Army Air Force > Motor Vehicle School, Chanute Field, IL. Although it doesn't show > additional assignments, he obviously was assigned to either the European > theater (Germany, Italy, etc), the African theater (Tunisia, Morocco, > etc), and/or the Middle Eastern theater (normally would be Saudi Arabia, > Yemen, Lebanon, etc) for which he received the European African Middle > Eastern Theatre Ribbon. Since he was discharged after the war was won, > he received the Victory Ribbon. He received be Good Conduct Medal > because he kept himself out of trouble with the "front office". I don't > know about the Label Button. If I recall correctly, a serviceman serving > overseas received an Overseas Bar (hash mark) for each six months served > overseas. That indicates he spent about 2 years of his time overseas. > > George Patterson > Lincoln, CA > > Researching: Patterson, Hitchcock, Green, Williams > > > ==== Missouri Mailing List ==== > See http://www.rootsweb.com/~mogenweb/mo.htm for all > the available MO county lists. > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Good Morning researchers, Would someone on this list have access to the death records of Missouri (probably Daviess County) for the years anywhere between 1842 and 1850? I would like a look up for Eleanor HENDERSON MALLORY. Thank you, Marie LC ********************************* "Tell me now, please, I know you were getting away with something, I know you were finding some way to outwit us, night after night with your wheelbarrow filled with straw, though I could never catch you, you can tell me now, what it is you were stealing?" "Wheelbarrows," X replied. "Pig Notes and Dumb Music" ~William Heyen~

Does anyone know of a James J. (J.J.) Daniel b. 1846/7 in GA/ALA married a Jennie Richardson in 1884 in Missouri? Both are buried in Hughesville(I think), Pettis County, MO. Wonder if they had children? Also maybe since he is about 37/38 years old at the time of this marriage, wonder if anyone knows of a previous marriage. Does either of them have children from their marriage to each other or from a previous marriage. J.J. is a brother to my great-grandfather. Nancy in Georgia [email protected]

EARL " BUD " PETTY 1403 AAF BU ED ATC Is any veteran familiar with this person ? BUD died in the 70's of cancer --- in California . I should have sent all this to list at first . I received much info from all of you of which I am most grateful . I am sending this to list just in case there is someone , by chance , who might have known him . By 1940 the PETTY family was living in St louis . Moved from Hopedale , Illinois --> a very small farm community . they use to live on Westminister place in the city ... then bought a trailer park in Bel-Ridge , Mo. My g aunt EDITH use to own a hotel downtown St Louis , Mo ... during the war and would always let soldiers stay for free . She was a nurse assistant for a while during WW2 . Bud PETTY enetered in at Jefferson Barracks St Louis , Mo. thanks list :)

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Sheri, Your Uncle entered the service on 15 Feb 1943 and was discharged on 10 Mar 1946 at the rank of Corporal. His first assignment, after basic training, was at the Army Air Force Motor Vehicle School, Chanute Field, IL. Although it doesn't show additional assignments, he obviously was assigned to either the European theater (Germany, Italy, etc), the African theater (Tunisia, Morocco, etc), and/or the Middle Eastern theater (normally would be Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Lebanon, etc) for which he received the European African Middle Eastern Theatre Ribbon. Since he was discharged after the war was won, he received the Victory Ribbon. He received be Good Conduct Medal because he kept himself out of trouble with the "front office". I don't know about the Label Button. If I recall correctly, a serviceman serving overseas received an Overseas Bar (hash mark) for each six months served overseas. That indicates he spent about 2 years of his time overseas. George Patterson Lincoln, CA Researching: Patterson, Hitchcock, Green, Williams

I just got some info back on my Uncle who was a corporal in WW 2 .Can someone interepret the following for me ? Service -- 2-15-1943 to 3-10-1946 Rank -- corporal Assignments ----- 1403 AAF BU ED ATC E Education ----- AAF Chanute Field , Illinois Motor Vehicle School Decorations -- Victory Ribbon -- European African Middle Eastern Theatre Ribbon Good Conduct Medal Lapel Button 4 Overseas Bars I had to send at least 3 letters over the period of the last year - just to get this little bit . The letter says this is all they have ? Can any soldiers enlighten me on this info . Thankyou all sheri

Found on the "Your Past Connections" site. http://www.pastconnect.com/search_let_reg.pl?BEGIN=10&LETTER=R REINHARDT, A. Item Number 12837926430168 Location estate Item Large family album Price postage Item date c. 1900 Item condition Leather binding, good condition with some damage on spine and some photos out of cardboard mounts, brass clasp broken Item content Large family photo album with tooled leather cover. Many photos of family including wedding photo c 1890. Most photos by St. Louis, Mo. photo studios. -(must prove family connection)- Thought this might be of some interest to Reinhardt researchers. I have no connection to this site or to the Reinhardt surname, just passing along the information. Jan