Pardon me folks! I meant to say "births beginning Nov 1912" (but they also have the DC's) Bennie Bennie White wrote: > > Not sure about the original, but presume it is on file at MS Dept of Health > for deaths beginning Nov 1912. Believe all you can get is a copy of the > original. More info here: > > http://www.msdh.state.ms.us/phs/index.htm > > Bennie > > Wayne and Teresa wrote: > > > > Hi can anyone on here tell me were to get a like orig. birth certificate. Not a just a copy. My dad was born in I think it was Tiplersville. If so can someone give me a phone # to find out more. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Teresa > > >

Looking for the parents of John. They were possibly, but not proven, John and Elizabeth, from Lawrence Co. AL., but John was born in SC? Can anyone help? Descendants of John E Robinson 1 John E Robinson b: September 05, 1808 in South Carolina d: April 10, 1896 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Methodist Cem., Itawamba Co., MS . +Rachael R Emerson b: July 09, 1815 in Tennessee m: Abt. 1834 in Marion Co., AL. d: July 19, 1895 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Methodist Cem., Itawamba Co., MS .... 2 Sarah Jane Robinson b: October 14, 1836 d: April 25, 1912 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS ....... +G J Green b: May 03, 1839 m: Abt. 1854 d: September 10, 1908 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS .... 2 Mary Catherine Robinson b: April 17, 1838 d: August 24, 1887 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS ....... +M V Harbor b: Abt. 1830 m: October 08, 1863 in Itawamba Co., MS d: Unknown .... 2 Elizabeth Caroline Robinson b: February 09, 1840 d: September 07, 1925 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS ....... +Jacob D Green b: April 22, 1834 m: Abt. 1859 in Probably Itawamba Co., MS d: April 06, 1911 .... 2 John Taylor Robinson b: Abt. 1842 d: Unknown .... 2 [1] George Edward Robinson b: January 22, 1844 d: January 20, 1907 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS ....... +Charlotte A Purnell b: April 21, 1846 m: Bef. 1865 in probably Itawamba Co., MS d: September 04, 1873 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS .... *2nd Wife of [1] George Edward Robinson: ....... +Virginia Alice Downum b: March 27, 1868 m: Abt. 1880 in Probably Itawamba Co., MS d: November 04, 1942 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS .... 2 Easter Ann Robinson b: April 26, 1846 d: April 05, 1915 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS ....... +J C Wiginton b: Abt. 1842 m: Abt. 1865 in Probably Itawamba Co., MS d: Unknown Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS .... 2 Henry Johnson Robinson b: Abt. 1848 d: Unknown .... 2 William Wilkson Robinson b: Abt. 1849 d: Unknown .... 2 Martha Selena Robinson b: October 15, 1852 d: May 27, 1923 in Itawamba Co., MS Burial: Mt. Pleasant Meth. Cem., Itawamba Co., MS ....... +L A Lindsey b: Abt. 1850 m: Abt. 1870 in Probably Itawamba Co., MS d: Unknown .... 2 Moran Parthenia Robinson b: Abt. 1850 d: Unknown ....... +?? Stone b: Abt. 1845 m: Abt. 1868 in Probably Itawamba Co., MS d: Unknown Also looking for: BERRY, BOUNDS, CONLEY, EDNEY, GRADY, GRAY, GORE, HART, HEYMAN, HOLTON, HUGHES, LAVENDER, LEWIS, McGOVERN, MUSIC/MUSICK, REED/REID, ROBINSON, WILSON, WRIGHT and a few more..

I want to Thank these people who sent me a message back on my question. Wanda K., Bennie W., Ruby S. It took alot of different phone #'s to get the right one. But I did get a hold of them and I have a certified copy coming to me. And while I was at it I also got some Death Cert. of my grandparents. Thanks again for your time and all of your help. Teresa

Not sure about the original, but presume it is on file at MS Dept of Health for deaths beginning Nov 1912. Believe all you can get is a copy of the original. More info here: http://www.msdh.state.ms.us/phs/index.htm Bennie Wayne and Teresa wrote: > > Hi can anyone on here tell me were to get a like orig. birth certificate. Not a just a copy. My dad was born in I think it was Tiplersville. If so can someone give me a phone # to find out more. > > Thanks for your time, > Teresa >

Hi can anyone on here tell me were to get a like orig. birth certificate. Not a just a copy. My dad was born in I think it was Tiplersville. If so can someone give me a phone # to find out more. Thanks for your time, Teresa

To the List: Could someone lookup the 1870 census of Monroe CO MS and see if they could find H. D. Ivy/Ivey and Nancy A. Ivy and who is with them. Also I am looking for a William Baugh and Jency Baugh and who is with them. This would be greatly appreicated. Thanks Reta

To the List: Does anyone on the list have access to the 1870 Holmes Co,Richland District, Census? I know the family is listed with head of household Charles Willis, but I need the family listed in order to assure I have the correct Willis. There may be wife, Sarah born in GA, sons and daughters still at home(there were 12 originally and he remarried sometime in the 1870:s or 80's. Possible children, Henry,Isaac,John W, Louisa, Eliza,Elisha,Margaret,Jasper,William,Jane and Dow. If you do have this information, I would like to have the spouse and children no matter if they match, as it could be his second marriage. Thanks a million. Pat pacone@txk.net

That's good, Bob! Have you gone to these county offices recently to see that few county clerks are SOUTHERN MEN? Eugenia Bob Smith <papsmith@mail.com> wrote: There is nothing more refreshing to a Southern man than to be "sweet-talked" to by a Southern (note the capital S) LADY. Bob ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

Edye is right in that the "old books" should be handled with respect... In the metropolitan Texas County where I reside, the County Clerk, and elected official who provides recordkeeping services to all the County offices, Probate Courts, etc, (except District Courts where Divorces are recorded) sets the fee for copies based upon her calculation of the cost of the machine, supplies, and her deputy clerk's time to look up the record and copy it for you...She charges $1.00 per page...I have been to other Counties where it was self-service, and their prices were cheaper. In BC and DC, the State Bureau of Vital Statistics has control, and the price is $13 for BC and $9 for DC...Personally, I would rather get them from the State because you receive a copy of the handwritten document with a nice border put around it...at the County level, they look at the handwritten record and type up a copy, then Certify it...I have found that the accuracy depends on the ability of the particular Clerk to read old handwriting, plus I often knew information which they were not privy to, making the "Certified Copy" incorrect, i.e., Cause of death being wrong because they had no medical knowledge of the disease, or parents incorrectly spelled because they could not read the Undertaker's or Doctor's handwriting, nearly so well as I could... I will go for State records anytime it is possible, even if it takes longer... >From: Edye Higgins <oscar38606@yahoo.com> >To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Re: No copies] >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 05:01:39 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [63.92.80.32] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBC454C27009F400432123F5C502011DC0; Sat Feb 03 05:01:28 2001 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id >f13D1cc32413;Sat, 3 Feb 2001 05:01:38 -0800 >From MISSISSIPPI-L-request@rootsweb.com Sat Feb 03 05:03:22 2001 >Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 05:01:38 -0800 >X-Original-Sender: oscar38606@yahoo.com Sat Feb 3 05:01:38 2001 >Message-ID: <20010203130139.6859.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com> >Old-To: Eugenia <genaerber@usa.net>, MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >In-Reply-To: <20010203045511.13614.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net> >Resent-Message-ID: <6epeWB.A.R6H.yEAf6@lists2.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/91 >X-Loop: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: MISSISSIPPI-L-request@rootsweb.com > >I've not experienced any of what you guys are speaking of. My >ancestors are from Webster, Itawamba and Oktibbeha (so far). At all >three of these courthouses when I asked to copy I was told that they >would be most happy to copy anything I wanted copied but since people >were "less than gentle with these old books" I wasn't allowed to >copy. One of the clerks made the copies I requested and charged me >35 cents a copy. Also in Webster county I wanted a copy of my >parents marriage license, the clerk copied the license, certified it >and GAVE it to me. > >I guess it helped some that the Clerk in both Webster and Itawamba >are probably related to me or had personal knowledge of my family >name. (Itawamba the Clerk's last name was DULANEY, which is my >maiden name. In Webster the Clerk had grown up with my Mother and >said she remembered me from my Mom's funeral, Mom passed away when I >was six). > > > > >--- Eugenia <genaerber@usa.net> wrote: > > Point taken! But to be honest, I do not really think any > > researchers, > > generally speaking, mind to pay the copy costs since we are > > obtaining > > copies which are so valuabe to us. If the counties would provide > > some > > overhead copy machines, I think we would be just as willing to pay > > for > > copies that way. Probably be willing to pay higher fees due to the > > fact they are having to take special measures to provide for our > > needs. > > > > As much as some of the agencies make off the copies, it seems they > > could > > use those funds to provide an overhead copier, or alternative means > > of > > copying the old records, thereby preserving them at the same time. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Eugenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > County Governments have found a Windfall in the copying business... > > > > >From: "Bobbye Davis" <bobbye@microsped.com> > > >To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: No copies > > >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:47:52 -0600 > > > > > > > >Gerald Geiger wrote: > > >Problem lies in not knowing the LAW...If you do, you can quote it > > to them, > > >and they will usually relent... > > >I wish!! I told them I knew they were public records and I had a > > right to > > >do > > >it. I had no problem looking at Sunflower Co. when I asked ,they > > were nice > > >about that but refused to budge on the copying. they would give me > > > > >certified > > >copies of the original marriage license for $10.00 each. I said no > > thank > > >you > > >I want copies of the original. They furnished so much information > > about > > >both > > >families. > > >As for Neshoba Co. they won't budge an inch.I forgot,but it may be > > the > > >Board > > >Of Supervisors who makes this decision for the Chancery Clerk. I > > will have > > >to ask again. Most all of my Williams Family and descendants > > were married > > >in Lauderdale, Neshoba and Newton Counties. It is a shame. I was > > just lucky > > >enough to get an original copy on my gg aunt's from a cousin who > > had gone > > >to > > >Neshoba Co. when they still let you copy. > > > > > > > > >==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > > >Visit the Mississippi-L Website at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > > >where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the > > mouse. > > > > > >============================== > > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > > #1 > > >Source for Family History Online. 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X-Message: #15 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:25:19 EST From: JWMBA@aol.com Subject: Vicksburg MS/Cedar Hill Cem Is there a reader who lives in Vicksburg Mississippi, who is familiar with Cedar Hill Cemetery? If so, if I would like to find out who is buried next to Jessie Scott Bryan, who died in January 1981. Specifically, I would like to know if Elizabeth Eddie Burns, and Walton G. Bryan are buried next to her. I do not know when either died, but it was before 1981. I called the cemetery, and they say their records were burned. If anyone has ideas regarding someone I can get to visit the site to give me this information, and when they were born and died, please advise. ------------------------------ Christmas begins it and Easter completes it

Please..... can we let this rest????

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There is nothing more refreshing to a Southern man than to be "sweet-talked" to by a Southern (note the capital S) LADY. Bob ------Original Message------ From: "lucygilbert" <lucygilbert@email.msn.com> To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: February 3, 2001 4:14:58 AM GMT Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Mississippi Court Houses]] Girls--if I may call us that--harsh words and threatening action can get you records--once--but often results in suddenly lost files on later visits. May I suggest you save the frontal attacks for the ultimate resource? I have been using Mississippi records for over 50 years and I find the old southern charm works most of the time. First, find out who the people are in charge--the elected Clerk in a small county is likely to be related to at least 1/3 of the people of the county---- (The Judge likewise!) Bear in mind that if you have dead relatives with records in a county courthouse in MS you are also likely to have live relatives who have control over who gets into the files. Family goes a long way in MS--ten minutes in civilized chat with the clerk might produce surprising results---I have helped more than one Clerk start her own family tree! Over the years I have had many interesting experiences and have been rewarded with tips on lost records, help in finding data ---contacts with local people, etc. Many of these little towns now have librarians and they are often a source of information and influence--one got me permission to crawl up a 10 ft ladder into a storage attic to search for a file I wanted although the space was off limits to THE PUBLIC. The file was there too! The trick is to never let yourself get into a position where the clerk gives you a flat "NO"--The urge to out smart-talk rude clerks is sometimes overwhelming but keep your eye on the prize--copies of records is what you want ! and sweet-talk that clerk! Just remember the Judge whose office you march to with your copy of THE LAW in hand might well be a cousin of the clerk you just tongue-lashed! Learning the power structure among the living can sometimes be just as much fun as learning about the dead. Kate From: Eugenia <genaerber@usa.net> To: <MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Mississippi Court Houses]] > > Linda, dear, you are a woman after my own heart! I don't know if the > laws governing public records are the same from state to state, but I > am going to get a copy of the law from the MISSISSIPPI CODE, and learn > exactly what it says, then I shall have "LAW, WILL TRAVEL." > > Eugenia > > > > > > "Linda C Kennedy" <lckennedy@c-gate.net> wrote: > Eugenia, > I understand that these old records will deteriorate; but I do not > understand why some public officials will not allow the use of digital > cameras. What is the problem?) > > Something else: What are public records? I ask a rude Chancery Clerk that > question one time and was told, "Why, they are public records. It is my > responsibility to keep these records for public use." I then informed her > that "her public" was there and if she did not let me look at the "public > records" I was fixing to march upstairs and ask the Judge where the public > records were being kept. > > Linda > To: Linda C Kennedy <lckennedy@c-gate.net> > > > > Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Re: Mississippi Court Houses] > > > >Linda, I am butting in on your conversation, but couldn't help laughing. > >The public officials who are uncaring and down right rude is the rule > >rather than the exception. > > > >However, I can take them being rude. I'm quite used to that, but when > >a genealogist can't get copies of the documentation of their family > >history, that's a horse of a different color! > > > >Wouldn't it be nice that these government and county agencies who just > >love to waste our tax dollars on frivilous things would invest in having > >a camera or other alternate method of providing copies of these old > >records. That way, they could kill two birds with one stone. > > > >Eugenia > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Linda C Kennedy" <lckennedy@c-gate.net> wrote: > >Bobbye from time to time I have also runned into public officials who > >notonly refuse to help me but are also down right rude. I found that a > very > >nice, polite letter to the editor of the county's/city's local newspaper > >ususally does the job. > >Linda > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bobbye Davis <bobbye@microsped.com> > >To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com <MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com> > >Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:17 AM > >Subject: Mississippi Court Houses > > > > > >>In doing my research of my home state of Ms. where I also reside I too > have > >>encountered the same problems. > >>In Neshoba county the circuit clerk Patty Duncan Lee absolutely refuses to > >>let you take pictures or copy the marriage license of Neshoba. > >>the same goes for Sunflower Co. > >>On the other hand when I go home to Bolivar Co. the clerk is very cordial > >>and says no matter how old and even if they are hand sewn we can copy > them. > >>I applauded her. > >>Leflore County is always nice to and never charge me. I don't believe I > >>have paid any thing in Bolivar either. > >>I requested divorce records on my grand father and first wife and also on > >>his oldest son and first wife. Lauderdale Co. copies them and mailed them > >to > >>me right away. I sent a check back to cover the cost. > >>I think the Clerks that refuse to help us need to be voted out of office. > >>How else will we get our records together if they don't understand > >>Genealogy? > >>I did write another county asking for copies of the marriage license and > >>this county does not copy but turned it over to a researcher with out my > >>consent and she copied and sent me a bill. > >> > >> > >>==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > >>Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > >>where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > >> > >>============================== > >>Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > >>Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > >>http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > >==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > >Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > >where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > > > >============================== > >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > >your heritage! > >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. ============================== Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! http://searches.rootsweb.com/ ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

Thank you, Virginia, for your interest and thoughts. There's no doubt in my mind that all researchers are taking note of the situation, and we are facing a crisis in our record sources. Eugenia vgrafton@mindspring.com wrote: I am an old lady and when I first started doing this paid 10 cents a sheet then it kept going up. I ask why and was told it was set by the state. I have not paid $1 a sheet in all Al co's and could not figure it out. So now guess I will ask more and see if can find out if was just being put off.This is small town and every one knows every one. Maybe people that don't care for genealogy, think we are just being nosey. In small towns and this county most every one is kin some how. I like the idea of over head copy. Those books are heavy and it is rough on us and the books to handle them. Maybe with every one talking about all this now it may help. Virginia ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

While every one of us would love to have the "Original" or to say that we have "looked at the Original" lets not lose sight of the fact that a microfilm copy is just as valid, and will stand a test in a Court of Law... >From: "Tree Mother" <tonin1@airmail.net> >To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Would-be NOXUBEE CO. MS RESEARCHERS] >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:28:06 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [63.92.80.32] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBC44A83F004C4004320A3F5C502010CC0; Fri Feb 02 17:22:08 2001 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id >f131NLs30177;Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:23:21 -0800 >From MISSISSIPPI-L-request@rootsweb.com Fri Feb 02 17:22:57 2001 >Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:23:21 -0800 >X-Original-Sender: tonin1@airmail.net Fri Feb 2 17:23:20 2001 >Message-ID: <00b701c08d91$53b63bc0$0101a8c0@hppav> >Old-To: "Bob Smith" <papsmith@mail.com>, <MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com> >References: <384894641.981122802060.JavaMail.root@web149-mc> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >Resent-Message-ID: <JcxncC.A.VXH.I21e6@lists2.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/83 >X-Loop: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: MISSISSIPPI-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Bob and List: I wonder if FHC has microfilmed these records. If so, it is >an >inexpensive method to obtain copies of records. I do understand that some >counties in MS did not want FHC there microfilming for reasons best left >unsaid which has added to the out-of-state researcher's dilemma. >I think it is nice when referring to documents obtained from FHC film that >we reference the film number for the benefit of others. >Fortunately they have their index on line so those of us using the Net can >access them from home and go to a one of their libraries and order up the >film for researching. I have been able to obtain copies of marriage records >for several family members in this manner. >Some of these records are so old that they should not be handled except >with >gloved hands to protect them from contaminants. Very difficult problem for >all of us. >In Europe where records are ancient compared to American records, one must >make an appointment with the archivist and read and copy the records either >with a camera or handwritten and in the presence of the archivist. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob Smith <papsmith@mail.com> >To: <MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:06 AM >Subject: Re: [Would-be NOXUBEE CO. MS RESEARCHERS] > > > > I have never been refused the service of coping old records from the > > old books in any state I have done research in (MS, AL AR TX GA SC MO > > IL) > > > > However I must say I think there are times that some of these old book > > should be excluded from photo copying. Many of them are very fragile > > and since must be opened wide and laid on the copy machine they are > > easily damaged. I would hope that some day all these old records > > could be microfilmed so that the books can be put in safe storage > > (this is the original history of our heritage and our nation). There > > are few Counties in the nation that can afford the cost of > > microfilming all their old records. This could be a great project for > > all local Historical and Genealogy groups. > > > > A couple of years ago I was in the Lowndes Co. AL courthouse which has > > a wealth of records of the area from the early 1800's. I have never > > seen a clerks office more courtios and willing to help, but I felt a > > guilt when I left with copies I had requested and helped to make. > > Each copy we made left fragments of the fragile and brittle pages on > > the copy machine. > > > > Yes hand copying is a tough task, but remember these were handwritten > > in the first place. It is time consuming and not all can spend the > > time nor have a laptop computer as I do. This too is a wear and tear > > on the old books, so lets work on getting them microfilmed, or else we > > won't have them much longer. > > > > So much for the soap box. > > > > Robert Fleet "Pap" Smit III > > Victoria, TX > > > > "He who careth not whence he cometh, > > careth little whither he goeth" > > Daniel Webster > > > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Eugenia <genaerber@usa.net> > > To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: February 1, 2001 3:08:58 PM GMT > > Subject: Re: [Would-be NOXUBEE CO. MS RESEARCHERS] > > > > > > WARNING to other researchers!! > > > > This is to forewarn and maybe save time and trouble, researchers > > needing > > information from probate records in Noxubee Co. MS. A congenial > > deputy > > clerk showed me to the record room. I had done my homework and knew > > book > > and page of the instruments needed. I proceeded to locate the old > > book > > which contained the Will of my gr-gr-gr-grandfather Brown, consisting > > of > > four pages of that book. > > > > I took the book to the deputy and explained I would like to get a > > copy of that instrument, and she turned to the Chancery Clerk, > > Mary Shelton and told her what I had requested. Ms. Shelton then in a > > very condescending manner informed me they did not make copies of > > these > > old records because the books cannot be taken apart as the more modern > > books do. Gasping with disbelief, I asked how I would go about > > getting > > a copy of this instrument, and she shrugged and said "I don't know > > unless you > > bring a camera and make a copy." > > > > I explained I have been researching in Courthouses for about 50 years > > and have never encountered this problem. After a long discussion, she > > finally agreed to make copies of those four pages, but told me she > > would not > > make any further copies from the old books. > > > > Needless to say, there was little reason for me to spend time looking > > at > > more records, which incidentally, are probably the more disorganized I > > have encountered. > > > > To save others who travel even further distances than I, the > > expectation > > of getting copies of your ancestors probate records, I suggest you > > take > > a camera, or prepare to spend endless hours hand copying what you > > need. > > > > I do not understand how an elected public official can refuse to allow > > copies to be made of public records, but Ms. Mary Shelton did! > > However, to be > > fair to the people of that county, the Circuit Clerk and her > > deputies in Noxubee County is among the most cordial and cooperative > > that > > I have met anywhere. > > > > Have other researchers found the same conditions in the Chancery > > Clerk's > > office in Noxubee County? I have dealt with and communicated with the > > Genealogical Society in that county for several years, and they are > > always > > pleasant and helpful. > > > > Seems if we need copies of these old probates, we will have to have an > > expensive camera or wait until the people in that county can have > > another > > election. > > > > I trust this warning will be of help to other researchers. > > > > Eugenia > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free email and a permanent address at > > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free email and a permanent address at > > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > > where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the > > mouse. > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > > where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > >==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== >Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi >where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I've not experienced any of what you guys are speaking of. My ancestors are from Webster, Itawamba and Oktibbeha (so far). At all three of these courthouses when I asked to copy I was told that they would be most happy to copy anything I wanted copied but since people were "less than gentle with these old books" I wasn't allowed to copy. One of the clerks made the copies I requested and charged me 35 cents a copy. Also in Webster county I wanted a copy of my parents marriage license, the clerk copied the license, certified it and GAVE it to me. I guess it helped some that the Clerk in both Webster and Itawamba are probably related to me or had personal knowledge of my family name. (Itawamba the Clerk's last name was DULANEY, which is my maiden name. In Webster the Clerk had grown up with my Mother and said she remembered me from my Mom's funeral, Mom passed away when I was six). --- Eugenia <genaerber@usa.net> wrote: > Point taken! But to be honest, I do not really think any > researchers, > generally speaking, mind to pay the copy costs since we are > obtaining > copies which are so valuabe to us. If the counties would provide > some > overhead copy machines, I think we would be just as willing to pay > for > copies that way. Probably be willing to pay higher fees due to the > fact they are having to take special measures to provide for our > needs. > > As much as some of the agencies make off the copies, it seems they > could > use those funds to provide an overhead copier, or alternative means > of > copying the old records, thereby preserving them at the same time. > > Thanks. > > Eugenia > > > > > > > > Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> wrote: > > County Governments have found a Windfall in the copying business... > > >From: "Bobbye Davis" <bobbye@microsped.com> > >To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: No copies > >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:47:52 -0600 > > > > >Gerald Geiger wrote: > >Problem lies in not knowing the LAW...If you do, you can quote it > to them, > >and they will usually relent... > >I wish!! I told them I knew they were public records and I had a > right to > >do > >it. I had no problem looking at Sunflower Co. when I asked ,they > were nice > >about that but refused to budge on the copying. they would give me > > >certified > >copies of the original marriage license for $10.00 each. I said no > thank > >you > >I want copies of the original. They furnished so much information > about > >both > >families. > >As for Neshoba Co. they won't budge an inch.I forgot,but it may be > the > >Board > >Of Supervisors who makes this decision for the Chancery Clerk. I > will have > >to ask again. Most all of my Williams Family and descendants > were married > >in Lauderdale, Neshoba and Newton Counties. It is a shame. I was > just lucky > >enough to get an original copy on my gg aunt's from a cousin who > had gone > >to > >Neshoba Co. when they still let you copy. > > > > > >==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > >Visit the Mississippi-L Website at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > >where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the > mouse. > > > >============================== > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > Help yourself to some data at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi in > the > database, and be sure to leave a little for others. > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > Visit the Mississippi-L Website at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the > mouse. > > ============================== > 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists > http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ > ===== Edye Higgins Byhalia, MS ====== Friends are angels that lift us to our feet when our wings forget how to fly. Get up to $45 FREE postage with Stamps.com! Click here: Stamps.com http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=27893756&siteid=35532320&bfpage=stamps_com __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

"As for Neshoba Co. they won't budge an inch.I forgot,but it may be the Board Of Supervisors who makes this decision for the Chancery Clerk. I will have to ask again. Most all of my Williams Family and descendants were married in Lauderdale, Neshoba and Newton Counties. It is a shame. I was just lucky enough to get an original copy on my gg aunt's from a cousin who had gone to Neshoba Co. when they still let you copy." When researching in Neshoba County go to the library in Philadelphia. They have one of the nicest & most helpful genealogical sections that I have used. Many of the old records from the Courthouse have been moved to this library. The one time I went to Neshoba Clerks office they were very helpful and even suggested the library. I was looking for CSA pension records that day and a black clerk was most interested and helpful. She even requested that if I found what I was looking for at the library that I call back to the office so they would be better able to help future researchers. The librarian met me at the door (also black) and helped me 'dig' out what I was looking for. Maybe it goes to show that most of the races can 'get along' and do not consider it a crime to have CSA veterans for ancestors. George

These records have been filmed and are on microfilm in the Archives I know. You can order them on microfilm to look at. One book in Panola County is in such bad shape that it would indeed fall apart if looked at by everyone. Wanda Blair Ruby BSGR#823 A Transplanted TEXAN

Point taken! But to be honest, I do not really think any researchers, generally speaking, mind to pay the copy costs since we are obtaining copies which are so valuabe to us. If the counties would provide some overhead copy machines, I think we would be just as willing to pay for copies that way. Probably be willing to pay higher fees due to the fact they are having to take special measures to provide for our needs. As much as some of the agencies make off the copies, it seems they could use those funds to provide an overhead copier, or alternative means of copying the old records, thereby preserving them at the same time. Thanks. Eugenia Gerald Gieger" <giegerg@hotmail.com> wrote: County Governments have found a Windfall in the copying business... >From: "Bobbye Davis" <bobbye@microsped.com> >To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: No copies >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:47:52 -0600 > >Gerald Geiger wrote: >Problem lies in not knowing the LAW...If you do, you can quote it to them, >and they will usually relent... >I wish!! I told them I knew they were public records and I had a right to >do >it. I had no problem looking at Sunflower Co. when I asked ,they were nice >about that but refused to budge on the copying. they would give me >certified >copies of the original marriage license for $10.00 each. I said no thank >you >I want copies of the original. They furnished so much information about >both >families. >As for Neshoba Co. they won't budge an inch.I forgot,but it may be the >Board >Of Supervisors who makes this decision for the Chancery Clerk. I will have >to ask again. Most all of my Williams Family and descendants were married >in Lauderdale, Neshoba and Newton Counties. It is a shame. I was just lucky >enough to get an original copy on my gg aunt's from a cousin who had gone >to >Neshoba Co. when they still let you copy. > > >==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== >Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi >where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== Help yourself to some data at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi in the database, and be sure to leave a little for others. ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1