Hi everyone, A few websites to check out in honor of Independence Day.....hope you all have a safe and happy 4th. Nancy Brister Researching: McCormick; Carmichael; Garrett; Jackson; Dawkins; Cain Richmond/Scotland Co., NC; Jefferson Co., MS; Denton Co., TX; Taney Co., MO; Union Co., GA Presidential Ancestors (great page!): http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/presidents/ Notable Women of Early America: http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/notable/notable2.html The Declaration of Independence: http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/declaration/decmain.html Revolutionary War maps: http://scarlett.libs.uga.edu/darchive/hargrett/maps/revamer.html

Does anyone have the 1870 federal census of Mississippi on CD? If so, I need a quick look up - if you are willing. Thanks in advance. Larry

Does anyone have the 1870 federal census of Mississippi on CD? If so, I need a quick look up - if you are willing. Thanks in advance. Larry

Does anyone have the 1870 federal census of Mississippi on CD? If so, I need a quick look up - if you are willing. Thanks in advance. Larry

Pay for Census takers was affected by the number of names they took...so some were "overzealous" in getting all the names of the family, because it meant more money in their hands...besides what did a few more names on the Census hurt anyway? Also, a neighbor might have given them the names and included everyone, your grandmother, too...sometimes they were hard of hearing, and misunderstood what they were being told... It was totally different from the way it is today...You never saw the form, but the Census taker wrote on the ledger, and he would not let you see what he had written...so Your grandmother was probably at her home with her children and your g-grandparents were asked if they had any kids, to which they responded with the long list of names... One funny one in RR County Texas where the Census says "Missouri Belle West" but the actual name was "Miss Zora Belle West." >From: jgpark@juno.com >To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MISSISSIPPI] Re: mystery or not? >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:05:43 -0500 > >Larry, > I had a similiar happening with my grandfather. I only knew my >grandfathers name to be Samuel Goodwin until I found the family in TX >1900 with my father at home. The census stated he was born in SC, but >when I went to the 1880 Mississippi census where I knew my grandmother >Mary Larkin was born, I found Samuel Goodwin as a teacher stated born in >NC. I first checked North Carolina and found a Samuel the right age and >thought that was him until I contacted a person who had researched the >family. > I then looked in South Carolina 1850 and found another Samuel the >right age lost him in 1860 until I found they had migrated to Hinds Co., >MS and was there in 1860. I then continued on his parents, obtained the >probate records and found my grandfather was listed there and living in >Texas in 1905 when my g-gfather died. > These names will fool you because they used the names so much in >the family lines, could have been another relative cousin maybe. You >will just have to keep searching and prove which one is your Louisa. I >hope this helps. >Gladys > > >==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== >Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi >where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Has anyone on the list run into a situation like the following? I really need to know. It has just happened to me for the SECOND time - in a different family line. Here are the facts of the first situation. 1850 Census Wilburn H. Wilson, my 2g-grandfather is shown living in the household of his parents in McMinn County, TN, in the 1850 census. Living nearby is the family of John A. Thompson - they have a 16 year old daughter named Louisa. In January 1851, Louisa Thompson and Wilburn Wilson are married in McMinn County. In November 1852, their first child (my great grandfather) was born. In 1853, this new family, along with several other families migrate to Barry County, MO. 1860 Census In the 1860 census of Stone County, MO, Wilburn and Louisa are now shown to be the parents of four children ranging from age 9 years to 9 months. Now the mystery: The 1860 census of McMinn County, TN, also shows Louisa, age26, still living in her parents household. An older brother and sister are also shown living at home. Thinking that I made a mistake earlier, I checked every THOMPSON family in all surrounding counties. None had a daughter named Louisa in the correct age range for marriage. I DO NOT think that Louisa traveled all that distance back to TN to visit her parents leaving her husband and four small children at home in MO. Questions: 1. Has anyone seen this situation before? As I previously stated, I have just encountered it again in another family line - I just do not have as much concrete data as in this case. 2. Do you have an opinion about the situation? What do you think happened? Thanks for your input. Larry

Larry, I had a similiar happening with my grandfather. I only knew my grandfathers name to be Samuel Goodwin until I found the family in TX 1900 with my father at home. The census stated he was born in SC, but when I went to the 1880 Mississippi census where I knew my grandmother Mary Larkin was born, I found Samuel Goodwin as a teacher stated born in NC. I first checked North Carolina and found a Samuel the right age and thought that was him until I contacted a person who had researched the family. I then looked in South Carolina 1850 and found another Samuel the right age lost him in 1860 until I found they had migrated to Hinds Co., MS and was there in 1860. I then continued on his parents, obtained the probate records and found my grandfather was listed there and living in Texas in 1905 when my g-gfather died. These names will fool you because they used the names so much in the family lines, could have been another relative cousin maybe. You will just have to keep searching and prove which one is your Louisa. I hope this helps. Gladys

At 09:36 PM 6/29/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Questions: > >1. Has anyone seen this situation before? As I previously stated, I have >just encountered it again in another family line - I just do not have as much >concrete data as in this case. Yes, My gg-gf is listed in two different censuses for the same years. The 1850 census for Davidson Co TN lists him in the household of his parents. The 1850 census for Henderson county TN, (halfway across the state) lists him with his wife. One explanation for this hapenning is that the Davidson Co, census was taken in July and the Henderson Co census was taken in October. I guess it's possible that he moved married and set up a house in 3 months. > >2. Do you have an opinion about the situation? What do you think happened? Due to the ignorance of the census taker, he never specified that the people he wanted to count had to live in the household. He just asked them the names and ages without specifiying they had to live there. > > >Thanks for your input. > >Larry > > >==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== >Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi >where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

We have found a name in the LDS system, and would like to know more about the individual, such as the names of his parents, siblings, etc. Once his name appears, what are the next steps to learning more? Gratefully dover

Anybody of Legal Age (had reached Majority) could sign as a Witness, but it was better to have someone that was not going to benefit from the Will, to be the Witness, to avoid any later court challenge regarding conflict of interest...or other such bunk... Most of the time Witnesses were extended Family members, i.e., not part of the lineage; a cousin, a Brother-in-law, sometimes a child when the Mother(or Spouse) was the sole beneficiary. That should have carried weight in the mind of the Probate Court that the child was in agreement with the Spouse receiving the inheritance. A Witness needed to be someone who was acquainted with the Testator (person making the Will), because the Witnesses swear an Oath, too...You don't just take some bum off the street, and make him a Witness...After the demise, at least one Witness needed to be personally present at the Probate hearing... Most all this seems foreign to us today, because we have Lawyers do it all...for which they are well compensated... I have often told my researcher-cousins, that when they come across a document signed by Gieger/Geiger and a Martin was a Witness, (or Vice-versa) they were both our guys...because whoever was handy was used as a Witness on all legal documents...and they were all related...someway or the other... in MS - Gieger, Welch, Speed, Lowe, Hough, Rogers, & West, among others... >From: "James and Kim Smith" <mikis1314@earthlink.net> >To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MISSISSIPPI] Will witness identity >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:10:31 -0400 > >I need to ask folks who are much more experienced and learned than me in >the field of genealogy. >Does at least one family member sign as a witness to a will? >I have 2 separate families with 3 wills and 2 of those wills have family >members (son, daughter not residing at the home) who signed as a witness to >these wills. >The 3rd will I am unsure of the relationship, but it could be a son. >Help >Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi all, Obituary Central has added the Forrest County Obituary Search Engine that has hundreds and hundreds of fulltext obits from the last couple years indexed. Just choose the "Obituary Archive Search Engines" option. Hope this helps. Bill Obituary Central http://www.obitcentral.com

On the 1850 census for Hancock co MS I find the following: Solomon Johnston, 39 farmer, born AL....Mary Johnston 29, born AL....Susan Johnson 6, Newton 4, Sarah 2, Mary 2, (Twins?) and Thomas 6 mos..These children were all born MS...I'm hoping someone else is working on this line and can help me...Any info at all...Thanks, Joyce L

I need to ask folks who are much more experienced and learned than me in the field of genealogy. Does at least one family member sign as a witness to a will? I have 2 seperate families with 3 wills and 2 of those wills have family members (son, daughter not residing at the home) who signed as a witness to these wills. The 3rd will I am unsure of the relationship, but it could be a son. Help Mike

SSA is an independent agency. it is no longer a part of HHS. Your concerns should be sent directly to SSA. -----Original Message----- From: Bobbye Davis [mailto:bobbye@microsped.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:16 PM To: Eubanks-Brown, Sandra (HHS/OS) Subject: Please STop the increase in the cost of SS-5 Forms Dear Mrs Brown, As an avid genealogist who is constantly "digging up bones" I am greatly distressed about the information received yesterday from The Social Security Administration. One of our most valuable and less expensive tools has been the SS-5 Application of our ancestors. It has provided valuable information that we may have not been able to find elsewhere. Recently we have been paying $ 7.00 per copy of each application which is not even a page long. Now they have announced that the cost of these forms will be $27.00 each effective July 1,2001. This will absolutely kill my research in this area as well as so many others like me who are limited on their incomes.This is a 200% plus increase. Now we all know that it doesn't take that much man power when you already have their SS Number in hand.Most of the numbers we get from SSDI are located on ancestry .com. We generate a letter and enclose our check and six weeks or so later we have a copy of the original application. We know this is designed to decrease the request ,but what it will probably do is kill it all. What can we do to stop this increase? Cordially, Bobbye J. Davis bobbbye@microsped.com

For some hints and information on the current move of the GenConnect system to the Ancestry site, please visit this page for updates and new links. http://www.ken-hollingsworth.com/msgwinfo/ Ken Hollingsworth

Searching for the parents and siblilngs of William Thomas Sanders (also known by W. Tom Sanders, b. abt. 1855, MS. Mother is shown as being born in TN and father in AL. I believe that the two men, shown as heads of household, in the below census are brothers. Any information on the parents of these two men would be appreciated and may be sent to my email toloball@aol.com. 1880 Census Place: Precinct 4, Fannin, Texas Source: FHL Film 1255302 National Archives Film T9-1302 Page 448A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace W. T. SANDERS Self M M W 26 MS Occ: Farmer Fa: AL Mo: TN Manerva J. SANDERS Wife F M W 22 AL Occ: Keeping House Fa: AL Mo: AL Oscar Lee SANDERS Son M S W 2 TX Fa: MS Mo: AL Wallace O. SANDERS Son M S W 5M TX Fa: MS Mo: AL G. W. ATKINSON Other M S W 19 LA Occ: Works On Farm Fa: NC Mo: MS =================================================================== I.C. Sanders (I think the I. could be a J., because in this same census on another family associated with W. T. Sanders and confirmed as the family of W.T.'s spouse, there was an error in transciption on the J.s and read as I.s) Therefore, it could be I.C Sanders or J.C. Sanders. 1880 Census Place: Precinct 5, Fannin, Texas Source: FHL Film 1255303 National Archives Film T9-1303 Page 454C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace I. C. SANDERS Self M M W 31 MS Occ: Hard War Merchnd Fa: AL Mo: TN M. M. SANDERS Wife F M W 21 TX Occ: Keeps House Fa: MO Mo: IL L. A. SANDERS Dau F S W 1 TX Fa: MS Mo: TX Lula SANDERS Other F S B 14 TX Occ: Servant Fa: KY Mo: --- Thos. TERRY Other M M W 35 IN Occ: Silver Smith Fa: NY Mo: OH I. A. HALOWAY Other M S W 23 KY Occ: Clerk Fa: KY Mo: KY W. D. NASH Other M S W 20 KY Occ: Farmer Fa: KY Mo: KY Henry NICHOLSON Other M S B 20 TX Occ: Servant Fa: AR Mo: --- Henry STEVENS Other M S B 19 TX Occ: Farmer Fa: VA Mo: KY Charly SCOTT Other M S B 19 MO Occ: Farmer Fa: KY Mo: MO ===================================================================

REPLY TO: froggie@lcc.net (froggie) I am researching: John Dearman and Lethia Dearman John Dearman was married to Letha Dearman; I have Leatha Dearman death certificate. It names George Straughter as her father and her mother as Julia McMillan, but on another death certificate is list her father as Sam Straughter. I have not been able to find her husband - listed as Jonathan (John) Dearman, I just now found that on the 1910 Lauderdale Co., Miss Census that her father's birthplace was Washington, ?, and that she was a widow. Can anyone tell me which John Dearman was her husband, and if Sam or George was her husbands name? Leatha Dearman was born May 1,1861 and died Oct 1,1922. It shows her as having 5 children, one of which was Florence, Oscar, Walter, and John as her children. Can anyone help me. thanks! Kay REPLY TO: froggie@lcc.net (froggie)

You may not know that the site for Wise Co., TX has transcribed almost all of the cemeteries in the county and also taken digital photos of the headstones, which they will email to you free. It's a fabulous job they've done. Go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~drycreek/ to see the cemeteries they've transcribed, search for names, and ask for photos. They also have a wonderful mailing list. And they have transcribed the 1880 census index. Poke around....and you'll be richly rewarded. I would be interested in hearing of others with families from MS who migrated to Tarrant or Wise Counties in TX about 1850-70. I am researching RAYs. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ellen Ledford [mailto:ellen@airmail.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:43 AM To: MISSISSIPPI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MISSISSIPPI] CRABB/GENTRY Who can help with any of families listed below??? Will appreciate any additional information and will gladly exchange data. Have another generation but some are living folks and person/s might not want his/her name on internet. Thanks lots. Mary Descendants of Willis James Crabb 1 Willis James Crabb b: September 23, 1851 in Tn d: Aft. 1920 in Danville, Ar Fact 1: 1880 Living Hardin Co. Tn. Fact 2: 1880 Sarah 6,Martha 4,William2,Rosa 1/12 . +Martha Jane Gentry b: September 06, 1843 in Ms. d: 1899 in Wise Co. Tx. m: August 15, 1872 in Prentiss Co. Ms Father: Drury Gentry Mother: Mary Elizabeth Averett Fact 1: or born 1845???? died Wise Co. Tx. Fact 2: Moved to Wise Co. Tx cir 1883 w/broWm. .. 2 Sarah Ann Elizabeth Tennie Crabb b: July 24, 1873 d: Abt. 1939 in Bridgeport, Tx .. 2 Martha Jane Crabb b: August 22, 1875 in Ms ...... +Thomas B Jones b: Abt. 1861 in La m: 1892 in Yell Co. Ar .. 2 James William Anderson Crabb b: March 15, 1878 d: in Ms. ****what happened to James & Rosa?? .. 2 Rosa Rosy Narcissa Crabb b: April 18, 1880 *2nd Wife of Willis James Crabb: . +Mary Frances Ballard b: 1847 in Ga d: Bet. 1936 - 1938 in Danville, Ar m: December 30, 1883 in Yell Co. Ar .. 2 Joe Marion Crabb b: October 06, 1882 in Yell Co. Ar d: November 16, 1971 in Carlsbad, NM ...... +Rosa Ann Horne b: October 16, 1882 in Yell Co. Ar d: June 09, 1963 in Carlsbad, NM m: December 01, 1901 in Yell Co. Ar Father: Thomas Marion Horne Mother: Sarah E Mc Clure ...... 3 Rosie L. Crabb b: 1904 in Ok d: Bef. 1994 .......... +John Chaplin Chaps Henley b: 1910 d: April 15, 1945 in Red Bluff Lake, Reeves Co. Tx. m: Abt. 1925 ...... 3 Jesse L. Crabb b: April 18, 1905 in Ar. d: Bet. 1925 - 1926 .......... +Hazel ? ...... 3 Alma Dovie Crabb b: October 05, 1905 in Danville, Ar., Yell Co. d: November 18, 1986 in Hospital in Carlsbad, NM ...... 3 Tollie Willis Crabb b: August 19, 1907 in Walnut Tree, Ar Yell Co d: April 26, 1982 in Carlsbad, NM Eddy Co .......... +Lucille Delorus Ridgeway b: May 31, 1905 in Walnut Ridge, Ar., Lawrence Co. d: November 26, 1990 in Carlsbad, NM., Eddy Co. m: August 16, 1924 in Ft Smith, Ar., Sebastian Co. Father: Robert Lee Ridgeway Mother: Cora Belle Israel ...... 3 Jody Marion Crabb b: 1909 in Ok d: April 15, 1945 in Red Bluff, Tx. Reeves Co. .......... +Elizabeth Taylor b: November 13, 1912 in Gans, OK d: May 05, 1999 in Wyoming Medical Center, Casper, WYO m: August 21, 1933 in Sallisaw, Ok Father: Lum Taylor Mother: Kittie Kidd ...... 3 Archibald Anderson Crabb b: October 05, 1911 in Sallisaw, Ok., Sequoyah d: August 12, 1973 in Farwell, Tx., Parmer Co. OR Las Vegas, NM., San Miguel Co. .......... +Grace Thelma Bradley b: January 16, 1916 in Antlers, Ok., Pushmataha Co. d: November 12, 1977 in Albuquerque, NM., Bernalillo Co. m: Abt. 1934 in Carlsbad, NM., Eddy Co. ...... 3 Jerry Donald Crabb b: 1918 in Ok. d: 1987 ...... 3 Claude M. Crabb b: April 04, 1919 d: November 1980 in Lincoln, Or., LIncoln Co. .......... +Murriel Effort m: Abt. 1940 ...... 3 Bessie Louise Crabb b: February 16, 1921 in Salislaw, Ok .......... +Arthur Spencer b: October 07, 1918 in Lake Arthur near Carlsbad, NM. d: May 07, 1992 in Illinois m: April 20, 1939 in Carlsbad, NM., Eddy Co. Father: George R. Spencer Mother: Rosa Lee Hardesty .. 2 Roxie Crabb b: 1884 in Dutch Creek, Ar., Yell Co. d: 1965 in Danville, Ar ...... +Joseph Monroe Noblett b: Abt. 1880 in Dutch Creek, Ar., Yell Co. d: Unknown m: March 08, 1900 in Dutch Creek, Ar. Father: Thomas Monroe Noblett Mother: Harriet L. Sheppard .. *2nd Husband of Roxie Crabb: ...... +Solomon Powers m: Abt. 1905 ...... 3 Dovie Powers b: 1909 in Danville, Ar .......... +Lovic Hefner b: January 29, 1902 d: March 23, 1989 in Danville, Ar., Yell Co. ...... 3 Opal Powers b: Unknown .......... +? Simpson ...... 3 Marie Powers b: Unknown .......... +? Wehunt .. 2 Henry Crabb b: September 25, 1887 in Yell Co. Ar d: Bef. 1960 in OK ...... +Nellie Jane Mannan b: March 02, 1891 in Choctow Co. Ok. d: December 29, 1960 in Marin Co. Ca. m: April 30, 1909 in Choctaw Co. Ok Father: Richard Harvey Mannan Mother: Eva Augusta Bearden ...... 3 Alice Crabb b: 1912 in Ok ...... 3 Karon Crabb b: 1914 in OK ...... 3 Bonnie Juanita Crabb b: January 18, 1918 in Hugo, Ok., Choctaw Co. d: May 22, 1999 in Santa Rosa, Ca. .......... +? Bohanon m: Abt. 1937 ...... *2nd Husband of Bonnie Juanita Crabb: .......... +Frank Speak m: Aft. 1939 ...... 3 Arthur Crabb b: Unknown ...... 3 Carl Edward Crabb b: May 13, 1923 in Gay, Oklahoma d: August 15, 1992 in Nevada, Ca. ...... 3 Bubby Crabb b: Unknown .. 2 Jesse Crabb b: August 25, 1890 in Ar. d: 1928 in Carlsbad, NM ...... +Ida Nell Horne b: February 02, 1898 in Ar. d: January 1979 in Carlsbad, NM., Eddy Co. m: August 01, 1915 in Yell Co. Ar Father: Thomas Marion Horne Mother: Mollie Sopha Sophia Ray ...... 3 Myrtle Marie Crabb b: March 08, 1919 in Salisaw, OK. d: March 02, 1997 in Carlsbad, NM .......... +Elwood Lee Grube d: February 01, 1992 m: 1936 in Artesia, NM ...... 3 Jesse W. Crabb b: October 11, 1921 d: May 09, 1948 in 11 miles so. of Carlsbad, NM on U S Highway 62 .......... +? d: Aft. 1948 ...... 3 Arnold Lee Crabb b: October 22, 1926 in Salisaw, OK. d: October 04, 1999 in Covenant Medical Center in Lubbock, Tx. .......... +Laurella Hudson b: September 23, 1930 in Carlsbad, NM., Eddy Co. m: 1947 in Carlsbad, NM Father: Fred Monroe Hudson Mother: Eva Lea Mc Hannay .. 2 Bill Crabb b: Unknown ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== To subscribe and Unsubscribe with ease, visit http://www.rootsweb.com/mississi and scroll down and click the appropriate link for the list you want, then click on Send ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

I have an index to the MS Death Certificates (1912-1943) and will be glad to look up a full name. Please specify race and a three or four-year search span between 1912-1943. Bennie ---------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.netpathway.com/~bennie/index.html Southern Ancestral Trails: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/SATrails Cyndi wrote: > > Does anyone have access the MS death records? I'm looking for J F POORE and his wife MARTHA WIGLEY POORE. I have no idea when b. or d. is that's what I'm looking for. I think they were born in Carroll Co. I only know Martha's maiden name because I have her daughter's death certificate. Thanks! > > ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== > Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi > where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Copied from another list: I just thought I would spread the word that the fees for getting a copy of a Social Security Application are going up drastically on 1 July 2001. If you apply before then you will be charged the old amount which is now $7 if you know the number, and $16.50 if you do not. The new fees are posted at: http://www.ssa.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm It appears that the increases are more than substantial, they are gigantic. This means that the time for procrastination is over. The address you need to send them to is: Social Security Administration Office of Central Records Operation Attention: Freedom of Information Workgroup PO Box 17772 300 N. Greene Street Baltimore, MD 21290