Hello Nancy - Could you please have a look at your book "Owosso A-Z", and see if my Morton or Bugbee families might be mentioned? That would be Dorus Morton, & his sons Thomas Slayton, Joshua, and Dillus (Dillucena). They lived in Owosso circa 1850 - 1880 where Dorus owned a farm but was a master mason, too. I believe Omar, the fourth son, went to California. Joshua married Martha BUGBEE, sister to Harrison S. and Samuel B. Bugbee (also farmers) and daughter of Salmon J. Bugbee, at Bennington, MI. 15 Nov 1846, but they lived in Owosso for a time before moving north. Dillus married Mary Young 13 Dec 1850, and Thomas Slayton (T.S.) married Lucy BEARD 2 Dec 1844. Every little bit I can discover about them is very gratefully received. There are so many gaps. For instance, Thomas Slayton's family, and Dillus' family, are buried in Pinetree Cemetery, but there's no mention of Dorus. (Although I believe he's with the family, perhaps with an unmarked grave.) Their mother, Dorus' wife, is buried in Franklin, Oakland County, along with their tiny baby son - and it doesn't appear he's there. So - I'm searching for hints, and possible means of detecting Dorus' origins. Are Laingsburg, Owosso, and Bennington close to each other? Those 3 places keep coming up in various records, and it's easy to get confused. Cheers, Julia >> In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:34:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >>> Betsy, I have looked in my Owosso, MI A to Z book and sorry not to find >>> your >>> Sawyer or Clement names. I looked and immediately found the Tillitotson >>> family in Elsie MI. I am a native of MI and had never heard of Ovid and >>> Elsie...so >>> glad to learn they are part of Schiawassee County. My Phillips family >>> were >>> in Bancroft. Nancy >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, I don't have the original images. Betsy

I was born and raised in Perry, MI in Shiawasse Co. Elsie and Ovid High Schools were in the same conference as Perry, so we visited both towns. Ovid is or was on the county line. East side of Main St. was Shiawassee Co. and the west side of Main was in Clinton Co. I think the same thing existed in Elsie. Dennis Thrush At 07:30 AM 11/9/2006, you wrote: >Nancy, I have found this to be very confusing. I am from Texas and this is >fairly new to me even though my mother's family all lived here. Ovid and >Elsie >are in Clinton County, but just on the border, and so not in Shiawasse >County. My family owned land in Fairfield Township, Shiawasse >County, but got >their mail in Elsie! How confusing. Some records are in Clinton County >and some >in Shiawasse. This is a real learning experience for me. >Betsy > >In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:34:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > > > Betsy, I have looked in my Owosso, MI A to Z book and sorry not to find > > your > > Sawyer or Clement names. I looked and immediately found the Tillitotson > > family in Elsie MI. I am a native of MI and had never heard of Ovid and > > Elsie...so > > glad to learn they are part of Schiawassee County. My Phillips family > were > > in Bancroft. Nancy > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Text inserted by Platinum 2006: > > This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail > (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: > http://127.0.0.1:6083/Panda?ID=pav_19066&SPAM=true >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They sure did and even with a really good Shiawasse County map with townships and land designations on them, you almost have to talk to a local to know which is the correct boundary line. Betsy

That is my next step, checking the Owosso library and the Clinton County Historical Archives. I have already been to the Shiawasse Courthouse and checked records there as well as the Jennings Lyons Funeral Home who buried many of the family. I have also gotten as much information as possible from the keeper of the records for Greenwood Cemetery in Vernon where many are buried. I have also checked all the census records for 1840 - 1930. The children of Jerome and Eliza are: John M Sawyer 1847 - 1928 Wright C. Sawyer 1849 - 1928 Jerome R. Sawyer 1852 - ? Franklin (Frank) Sawyer 1854 - 1924 Gilbert Hicks Sawyer 1858 - 1941 Eliza Sawyer Mary "Carrie" Sawyer 1960 Thomas Sawyer 1862 - 1940 Annie "Amy" Sawyer 1872 - They all lived in or near Elsie and Ovid. There was even a Sawyer School. One of the girls married a Litchfield. One married a Darling. One married a Loynes. Two Sawyers married two Loynes. Perhaps the library in Owosso can help me. Thanks for the suggestion. Betsy

do you have the actual census images, because I checked the 1870 and found some differences . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MISHIAWA] Jerome Sawyer 1810 - 18?? > That is my next step, checking the Owosso library and the Clinton County > Historical Archives. I have already been to the Shiawasse Courthouse and > checked > records there as well as the Jennings Lyons Funeral Home who buried many > of > the family. I have also gotten as much information as possible from the > keeper > of the records for Greenwood Cemetery in Vernon where many are buried. I > have > also checked all the census records for 1840 - 1930. > > The children of Jerome and Eliza are: > John M Sawyer 1847 - 1928 > Wright C. Sawyer 1849 - 1928 > Jerome R. Sawyer 1852 - ? > Franklin (Frank) Sawyer 1854 - 1924 > Gilbert Hicks Sawyer 1858 - 1941 > Eliza Sawyer > Mary "Carrie" Sawyer 1960 > Thomas Sawyer 1862 - 1940 > Annie "Amy" Sawyer 1872 - > > They all lived in or near Elsie and Ovid. There was even a Sawyer School. > One of the girls married a Litchfield. One married a Darling. One > married a > Loynes. Two Sawyers married two Loynes. > > Perhaps the library in Owosso can help me. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > Betsy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes you are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine Reckinger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [MISHIAWA] Jerome Sawyer 1810 - 18?? > sometimes there were very sneaky people who moved those county lines back > and forth a few feet!! That is what makes all of this so much fun, am I > right??? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [MISHIAWA] Jerome Sawyer 1810 - 18?? > > >> Nancy, I have found this to be very confusing. I am from Texas and this >> is >> fairly new to me even though my mother's family all lived here. Ovid and >> Elsie >> are in Clinton County, but just on the border, and so not in Shiawasse >> County. My family owned land in Fairfield Township, Shiawasse County, >> but got >> their mail in Elsie! How confusing. Some records are in Clinton County >> and some >> in Shiawasse. This is a real learning experience for me. >> Betsy >> >> In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:34:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >>> Betsy, I have looked in my Owosso, MI A to Z book and sorry not to find >>> your >>> Sawyer or Clement names. I looked and immediately found the Tillitotson >>> family in Elsie MI. I am a native of MI and had never heard of Ovid and >>> Elsie...so >>> glad to learn they are part of Schiawassee County. My Phillips family >>> were >>> in Bancroft. Nancy >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Nancy, This doesn't pertain to your search for ancestors but here is a story that parallels your information about living in one township and getting mail in another. A friend of mine lived in Pennsylvania but his mailing address was in Ohio. I guess the post office doesn't care about state lines and his delivery person came from the post office in Ohio. Now just try convincing companies or cops that you live in Pennsylvania even though your address is in Ohio. Good luck in your search. vern ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [MISHIAWA] Jerome Sawyer 1810 - 18?? > Nancy, I have found this to be very confusing. I am from Texas and this > is > fairly new to me even though my mother's family all lived here. Ovid and > Elsie > are in Clinton County, but just on the border, and so not in Shiawasse > County. My family owned land in Fairfield Township, Shiawasse County, > but got > their mail in Elsie! How confusing. Some records are in Clinton County > and some > in Shiawasse. This is a real learning experience for me. > Betsy > > In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:34:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> Betsy, I have looked in my Owosso, MI A to Z book and sorry not to find >> your >> Sawyer or Clement names. I looked and immediately found the Tillitotson >> family in Elsie MI. I am a native of MI and had never heard of Ovid and >> Elsie...so >> glad to learn they are part of Schiawassee County. My Phillips family >> were >> in Bancroft. Nancy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nancy, I have found this to be very confusing. I am from Texas and this is fairly new to me even though my mother's family all lived here. Ovid and Elsie are in Clinton County, but just on the border, and so not in Shiawasse County. My family owned land in Fairfield Township, Shiawasse County, but got their mail in Elsie! How confusing. Some records are in Clinton County and some in Shiawasse. This is a real learning experience for me. Betsy In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:34:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Betsy, I have looked in my Owosso, MI A to Z book and sorry not to find > your > Sawyer or Clement names. I looked and immediately found the Tillitotson > family in Elsie MI. I am a native of MI and had never heard of Ovid and > Elsie...so > glad to learn they are part of Schiawassee County. My Phillips family were > in Bancroft. Nancy

sometimes there were very sneaky people who moved those county lines back and forth a few feet!! That is what makes all of this so much fun, am I right??? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [MISHIAWA] Jerome Sawyer 1810 - 18?? > Nancy, I have found this to be very confusing. I am from Texas and this > is > fairly new to me even though my mother's family all lived here. Ovid and > Elsie > are in Clinton County, but just on the border, and so not in Shiawasse > County. My family owned land in Fairfield Township, Shiawasse County, > but got > their mail in Elsie! How confusing. Some records are in Clinton County > and some > in Shiawasse. This is a real learning experience for me. > Betsy > > In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:34:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> Betsy, I have looked in my Owosso, MI A to Z book and sorry not to find >> your >> Sawyer or Clement names. I looked and immediately found the Tillitotson >> family in Elsie MI. I am a native of MI and had never heard of Ovid and >> Elsie...so >> glad to learn they are part of Schiawassee County. My Phillips family >> were >> in Bancroft. Nancy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

have you checked with the libraries in both Owosso and Chesaning? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [MISHIAWA] Jerome Sawyer 1810 - 18?? > Betsy, I have looked in my Owosso, MI A to Z book and sorry not to find > your > Sawyer or Clement names. I looked and immediately found the Tillitotson > family in Elsie MI. I am a native of MI and had never heard of Ovid and > Elsie...so > glad to learn they are part of Schiawassee County. My Phillips family > were > in Bancroft. Nancy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We maintain the Michigan Marriage Index Database that has the following record: JEROME R SAWYER m ELIZA A CLEMENT in SHIAWASSEE cnty 09 MAY 1846 If this record is related to you we would like to add your email address to the record as a reference for other researchers. Jack & Marianne Dibean - Lansing Michigan GenWeb Archives: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/marriages/michigan/michigan.htm Email Address: [email protected] WWII Memorial: www.wwiimemorial.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [MISHIAWA] Jerome Sawyer 1810 - 18?? > Thanks for the suggestion, Nancy. Yes, I have looked at the census for 1860 > and 1870. Jerome, or Richard as he is sometimes listed, is listed on both of > the census lists. But he disappears in 1880. I do have the names of his > children. In fact, today, I visited the Historical Section of the Elsie, MI, > library where the family lived and obtained a great quantity of material on the > children. However, there was little information on Jerome Richard Sawyer. One > of the very helpful ladies suggested that perhaps he was buried on the farm > and his death never recorded. That would make sense since they were all > farmers. If anyone ever needs to research a family from the Elsie-Ovid area, the > library has great information including indexed lists for cemeteries, marriages, > deaths (certificates), obituaries, family genealogies, and much more. And, > the volunteers could not have been more helpful. Thanks, Nancy. > Betsy > > In a message dated 11/8/2006 11:47:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Have you looked for him in the 1850 and 1860 Census? You should be able to > > > > find him with the family. Nancy > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Betsy, I have looked in my Owosso, MI A to Z book and sorry not to find your Sawyer or Clement names. I looked and immediately found the Tillitotson family in Elsie MI. I am a native of MI and had never heard of Ovid and Elsie...so glad to learn they are part of Schiawassee County. My Phillips family were in Bancroft. Nancy

Thanks for the suggestion, Nancy. Yes, I have looked at the census for 1860 and 1870. Jerome, or Richard as he is sometimes listed, is listed on both of the census lists. But he disappears in 1880. I do have the names of his children. In fact, today, I visited the Historical Section of the Elsie, MI, library where the family lived and obtained a great quantity of material on the children. However, there was little information on Jerome Richard Sawyer. One of the very helpful ladies suggested that perhaps he was buried on the farm and his death never recorded. That would make sense since they were all farmers. If anyone ever needs to research a family from the Elsie-Ovid area, the library has great information including indexed lists for cemeteries, marriages, deaths (certificates), obituaries, family genealogies, and much more. And, the volunteers could not have been more helpful. Thanks, Nancy. Betsy In a message dated 11/8/2006 11:47:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Have you looked for him in the 1850 and 1860 Census? You should be able to > > find him with the family. Nancy >

Have you looked for him in the 1850 and 1860 Census? You should be able to find him with the family. Nancy

Betsy, I went and checked the links at the site. They are working from here on my PC. If you were trying to access the links under Table of Content on the home page, please click on the TABLE OF CONTENTS that is underlined and you should be able to get were you want to go. I will be changing several things soon to make it more user friendly. Regards, Pamela Cutway Shiawassee CC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MISHIAWA] Jerome Sawyer 1810 - 18?? I am new to this web site, but hope your experience can help me. My great-grandfather was Gilbert H. Sawyer (1856 - 1941). He lived in or near Elsie and Ovid all his life raising four children, Lena, Fred, James, and Mary Amanda. His wife Frances died in 1932 after Lena, James, and Fred died. While I have much information on Gilbert and his children, I have almost no information on his father and mother. I do know his father, Jerome Richard Sawyer, was born about 1810 in Massachusetts, New York, or Vermont. He married Eliza Clement in 1846 in Clinton County. He owned land in Middlebury Township, Section 15. But, who were his parents, his brothers and sisters, and where was he born? I hope someone knew the family or has knowledge of Jerome and his past. Can anyone help me with Jerome? Betsy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to this web site, but hope your experience can help me. My great-grandfather was Gilbert H. Sawyer (1856 - 1941). He lived in or near Elsie and Ovid all his life raising four children, Lena, Fred, James, and Mary Amanda. His wife Frances died in 1932 after Lena, James, and Fred died. While I have much information on Gilbert and his children, I have almost no information on his father and mother. I do know his father, Jerome Richard Sawyer, was born about 1810 in Massachusetts, New York, or Vermont. He married Eliza Clement in 1846 in Clinton County. He owned land in Middlebury Township, Section 15. But, who were his parents, his brothers and sisters, and where was he born? I hope someone knew the family or has knowledge of Jerome and his past. Can anyone help me with Jerome? Betsy

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Carolyn, Something wrong with that date of death if before 1923 cause 24 Nov on a Tues. would only be in 1908, 1914 and 1925. It would have been on Tuesday in 1920, but think that is Leap Year, so went to Wed. I used the date calculator in PAF, my genealogy program. I also think the cemetery referred to is Greenwood, cause in "The Michigan Cemetery Source Book" the only cemetery shown for Vernon Twp. that was listed in Vernon (the town?) is Greenwood. Chalker and Gardner Grave is in Durand. No place shown for Lovejoy Cemetery, only Sec. 33, Prior Rd. The Geographic Names Information System states that Lovejoy is in Durand also. And that Greenwood is in Corunna. The obit is probably referring to the township name I also searched the Greenwood Cemetery inscriptions on the Shiawassee Co. web page and didn't find Alice under the name Barber, Ross or Hulett. Maybe she had no tombstone? Found this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. ID: I638666843 a.. Name: Alice Clarissa (Clara) BARBER a.. Given Name: Alice Clarissa (Clara) a.. Surname: Barber a.. Sex: F a.. Birth: July 26 1869 in Michigan a.. Death: 24 Nov 1936 a.. Burial: South Vernon Cemetery, Shiawassee Co., Michigan a.. Census: 1910 Brant Twp, Saginaw Co., Michigan Here: http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3229224&id=I638666843 Another entry here with the obit: http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1869282&id=I63 Bonnie Burkhardt [email protected] Contribute an index of the obituaries in your newspaper to http://www.rootsweb.com/~obituary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Obertein" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: [MISHIAWA] South Vernon Cemetery >I was given the following obit. I was told it was from Shiawasse Co. I >would like to find where she is buried but don't know where South Vernon >cemetery is located: > > Funeral Services for Mrs. Hulett > Well known Resident is Buried in South Vernon > Funeral services for Mrs. Elmer A. Hulett were held in the Baptist church > last Saturday afternoon, Rev. A.R. Gold officiating. Interment took place > in South Vernon cemetery. Mrs. Hulett died Tuesday, Nov. 24. > Alice Clarissa Barber was born July 26, 1869 in Fayett, Michigan. She was > married to Robert Ross in November, 1885. Three sons and one daughter > were born to this union. In 1918 she was married to Elmer A. Hulett. She > is survived by the husband; two sons, Verne Ross, of Lesli, and Ellsworth > Ross, of Durand; one daughter, Grace J. Hulett, of Durand. There also is > a brother, Franklin Barber of Durand; a sister, Mary Jane Foor, of > Saginaw, and fourteen grand children. > > Of course the obit didn't have a year!!!!!! > I believe she died before 1923 because her brother Franklin died in 1923. > > Thank you > Carolyn > > > > > Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, Platt & Cemetery > Maps, Citizens, Vets, and Poll List - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph > Website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

That's a real dumb question and a bit on the mean side, don't cha think? The point of this site is to help people IF you have info. Else ignore it! On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:00:19 -0400, GMSPARTY7 wrote > Who is Carolyn Obertein?  and why should I respond to this e-mail? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Carolyn Obertein > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MISHIAWA] South Vernon Cemetery > > I was given the following obit.  I was told it was from Shiawasse Co.   I > would like to find where she is buried but don't know where South Vernon > cemetery is located: >   >  Funeral Services for Mrs. Hulett > Well known Resident is Buried in South Vernon > Funeral services for Mrs. Elmer A. Hulett were held in the Baptist church > last Saturday afternoon, Rev. A.R. Gold officiating.  Interment took place > in South Vernon cemetery.  Mrs. Hulett died Tuesday, Nov. 24. > Alice Clarissa Barber was born July 26, 1869 in Fayett, Michigan.  She was > married to Robert Ross in November, 1885.  Three sons and one daughter were > born to this union.  In 1918 she was married to Elmer A. Hulett.  She is > survived by the husband; two sons, Verne Ross, of Lesli, and Ellsworth Ross, > of Durand; one daughter, Grace J. Hulett, of Durand.  There also is a > brother, Franklin Barber of Durand; a sister, Mary Jane Foor, of Saginaw, > and fourteen grand children. >   >  Of course the obit didn't have a year!!!!!! >  I believe she died before 1923 because her brother Franklin died in 1923. >   >  Thank you >  Carolyn > > Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, Platt & Cemetery Maps, > Citizens, Vets, and Poll List - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph Website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm > >           > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.  Great rates > starting at 1¢/min. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com)