I tried to get into the MI site mentioned below and received a message "this > page cannot be displayed." Just a note - I've had a heck of a time with this site too - I've found success is best midday Michigan time, on a work day - who knows why. Liz <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/o/n/Liz-Montgomery/index.html">The Saginaw Symons</A>