Bob, et al, I contacted "Paul" at the sports Dept. of the Saginaw News and asked him about Bears and the Ducks. He said he'd do some research and get back to me. I also turned him on to this website. He was quite interested, and thought there might be a column in some of this stuff we're talking about. Maybe he'll reply here on the list with some of the info. Jim Glick Researching : Glick/Glück, Kelly, Meyer, Roth, Leisle, Grossnickle, Humes, Donovan