He is buried in St. Charles but his obit said he was born in Maple Hill, Ontario County New York. I have thought since he was born in 1823 maybe Ontario County was larger at that time and then broke off into other counties. His daughter was born in Cameron, Stueben Co., NY. I haven't found if that was part of Ontario co. in 1823. But I looked for a Maple Hill in that area also and never found it there either. Thank you for your help. I am still doing the happy dance over Hillsboro, Mass. (Being a family historian yourself...I'm sure you know what the happy dance is) Carolyn SCIGSC@aol.com wrote:Dear Carolyn: I have a question regarding Maple Hill in Ontario County, NY. Is Maple Hill the name of the city or the name of the cemetery where that man is buried? Susan Warner Saginaw, Michigan In a message dated 1/13/2003 10:48:59 PM, carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: Re: [MISAGINA] Indiantown Location > Date: 1/13/2003 10:48:59 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com > Reply-to: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com > To: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet > Thank you Shelly. I really appreciate it. It makes me crazy when I find an > obit that names a place I can't find. I have two other places from obits > that I can't find...one is Maple Hill, Ontario County, N. Y where my gr gr > gr grandfather Jonathan David Barber was born in 1823 and my gr grandfather > Frank Crosby born 1873 in Hillsboro, Mass. and then John Trumbel who lived > in Indian Town. I can't find traces of any of these places ever existing. > Has anyone else had this problem? Did you solve the mystery? If you did I > would like to know how you solve the problem. > Carolyn

He is in Section A which is not in this book. I have another book of Calvary that Rita let me scan that I am working on getting online also. I am so glad to see you found a couple more of your ancestors. The next book I have list the rest of the sections but on this one it gives the persons address also. Keep watching for when it goes online! Carolyn Palev46@aol.com wrote:Hi Carolyn, What a heroic job you've done on the Saginaw cemeteries and in particular Calvary Cemetery. I've been there a couple times myself -- most recently this past June and know that it is a challenge to negotiate. Rita and the staff are really wonderful. I just took a look at the list and found two out of the three family members who are buried there. I couldn't find: MICHAEL DOWNEY died 30 Dec 1890 Buried 3 Jan 1891 Sec. A 15 When I visited the cemetery office Oct 2001, Rita let me look in the computer generated index and I found him as MICHAEL DORONEY. I assume that the original handwritten ledger wasn't clear. The grave was flagged for me when I came this past June, but there does not appear to be a stone. However, after reading your email regarding how far they can get buried, I may take another look the next time I'm in MI. I believe you and I may have exchanged some email previously regarding Michael and I thought you found him. I'd appreciate it if you could let me know. Thanks again.

I have seen that cemetery. But his obit said he was born in Maple Hill. I know I like to hang in cemeteries. Maybe that's why...my gr gr gr grandfather was born in one. LOL. Carolyn Palev46@aol.com wrote:Let me jump into the fray, as well. There is a Maple Hill Cemetery in Oneida Co., NY. That cemetery is online.

WOW! Do you know how many place atlases I have looked at? There are many Hillsboro in New Hampshire but I couldn't find any in Mass. Did you just have this info in your head or did you find it in a book? THANK YOU this may help further my search now. Carolyn SCIGSC@aol.com wrote:Dear Carolyn: Hillsboro Mass is an Unincorporated Unofficial Name of a Mass Communities. Hillsboro is in or part of Leverett, Franklin County, MA Susan Warner Saginaw, Michigan In a message dated 1/13/2003 10:48:59 PM, carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: Re: [MISAGINA] Indiantown Location > Date: 1/13/2003 10:48:59 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com > Reply-to: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com > To: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet > Thank you Shelly. I really appreciate it. It makes me crazy when I find an > obit that names a place I can't find. I have two other places from obits > that I can't find...one is Maple Hill, Ontario County, NY where my gr gr gr > grandfather Jonathan David Barber was born in 1823 and my gr grandfather > Frank Crosby born 1873 in Hillsboro, Mass. and then John Trumbel who lived > in Indian Town. I can't find traces of any of these places ever existing. > Has anyone else had this problem? Did you solve the mystery? If you did I > would like to know how you solve the problem. > Carolyn >

Dear Carolyn: Hillsboro Mass is an Unincorporated Unofficial Name of a Mass Communities. Hillsboro is in or part of Leverett, Franklin County, MA Susan Warner Saginaw, Michigan In a message dated 1/13/2003 10:48:59 PM, carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: Re: [MISAGINA] Indiantown Location > Date: 1/13/2003 10:48:59 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com">carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > Thank you Shelly. I really appreciate it. It makes me crazy when I find an > obit that names a place I can't find. I have two other places from obits > that I can't find...one is Maple Hill, Ontario County, NY where my gr gr gr > grandfather Jonathan David Barber was born in 1823 and my gr grandfather > Frank Crosby born 1873 in Hillsboro, Mass. and then John Trumbel who lived > in Indian Town. I can't find traces of any of these places ever existing. > Has anyone else had this problem? Did you solve the mystery? If you did I > would like to know how you solve the problem. > Carolyn >

Let me jump into the fray, as well. There is a Maple Hill Cemetery in Oneida Co., NY. That cemetery is online.

Dear Carolyn: I have a question regarding Maple Hill in Ontario County, NY. Is Maple Hill the name of the city or the name of the cemetery where that man is buried? Susan Warner Saginaw, Michigan In a message dated 1/13/2003 10:48:59 PM, carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: Re: [MISAGINA] Indiantown Location > Date: 1/13/2003 10:48:59 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com">carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > Thank you Shelly. I really appreciate it. It makes me crazy when I find an > obit that names a place I can't find. I have two other places from obits > that I can't find...one is Maple Hill, Ontario County, N. Y where my gr gr > gr grandfather Jonathan David Barber was born in 1823 and my gr grandfather > Frank Crosby born 1873 in Hillsboro, Mass. and then John Trumbel who lived > in Indian Town. I can't find traces of any of these places ever existing. > Has anyone else had this problem? Did you solve the mystery? If you did I > would like to know how you solve the problem. > Carolyn

Hi My father's family grew up in St Charles and I lived there until age 5. I will contact my Aunt and ask her if she knows anything about "Indian Town" being a place in or near St Charles. Shelly

Thank you Shelly. I really appreciate it. It makes me crazy when I find an obit that names a place I can't find. I have two other places from obits that I can't find...one is Maple Hill, Ontario County, N.Y where my gr gr gr grandfather Jonathan David Barber was born in 1823 and my gr grandfather Frank Crosby born 1873 in Hillsboro, Mass. and then John Trumbel who lived in Indian Town. I can't find traces of any of these places ever existing. Has anyone else had this problem? Did you solve the mystery? If you did I would like to know how you solve the problem. Carolyn Saja423@aol.com wrote:Hi My father's family grew up in St Charles and I lived there until age 5. I will contact my Aunt and ask her if she knows anything about "Indian Town" being a place in or near St Charles. Shelly

Ok, Calvary single graves book 1885-1912 is finally done. Rita at Mt. Olivet gave me permission to put the book on the website. Please be sure to thank her if you call the office. This couldn't have been done without her extreme kindness! If you go to City of Saginaw and click on Calvary Cemetery you will be taken to a Calvary Cemetery page. You will have the choice of connecting to the headstones or you can hyperlink to a typed transcription of the book. The transcription gives the page of the book it was transcribed from. If you want to see the actual scan you will need to click on the hyperlink " Calvary Cemetery digital images 1885-1912" find the page number and you will see a digital copy of the record. The book was quite large so I had to scan each page in sections and then later piece them together. Many of the pages were hardly readable, so each page had to be enhance to get the clearest image. You will also find a copy of the map of Calvary Cemetery. This also was scanned in sections due to it's size. It was then pieced back together for a complete digital copy of the map. The single graves sections can be hyperlinked to a close up of that section. These sections run around the outer edges of the cemetery. I would love to get access to all the cemeteries records. If anyone has access to any original cemetery records or would inquire about access to scanning cemetery records I would go out and scan them. Please give it a try and good luck! Carolyn

Some other projects around the state for preserving grave yards. Sodus Cemetery - Berrien Co. http://w3.qtm.net/bcgensoc/bethel_cemetrestoration.htm Macomb Co. Couple does restoration http://www.romeo-observer.com/archive/021016/comm1.asp?comm=1 Friends of Potter Cemetery http://monroe.lib.mi.us/cwis/history/potterfriends.htm michcem - mailgroup on Yahoo specifically about saving historical cemeteries http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michcem/ Another list/board sponsered by Find A Grave but nation wide http://www2.findagrave.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=CemeteryPreservati on SavingGraves http://www.savinggraves.com/ Michigan Page of Saving Graves http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mi/state1/ The above was found on a quick search. It all looks pretty interesting but there seems to be legal issues involved, etc. I live in Gratiot Co. (Elwell) now and the cemeteries are kept up very well here. The judge hands out some creative sentences when vandals are caught, which helps I think, plus being mainly rural communities adds to it all. The vandals have to clean up and repair the cemetery to the original state out of their pockets. They also have to make public apologies to the family of the people buried in the cemetery and also, to the community and anyone else they may have hurt in the process of their destruction. I am sure there is more, but it has been a few years since the last one happened, and I may have missed some details. I grew up in Saginaw and so am interested in seeing these cemeteries repaired, read and photographed. I can understand that the city may be overloaded and not able to keep them repaired, or it may be they just have not heard enough people who are concerned about it, so far. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10 January 2003

Hi all, Indiantown is in Saginaw County, Buena Vista Twp, closest exit is I75 & M81, then go East on M81 to Portsmouth Road approximately 3 miles, turn left (North) and go 1 mile....that is Indiantown. It currently consists of about 3 homes and a township building. This information is from my husband who works for Saginaw WNEM TV5 television station. He knows this because the station has a tower in Indiantown and he used to have to go there often. Shelly

Pat, I have read about groups in other parts of the state that have gotten together for the sole purpose of taking care of cemeteries such as this. They organized a group of people, and got permission from the government agency to proceed. I know I have read that they raised money or got grants to take care of the stone repairs, also. You would need the plat map if the city would give it or has it to start that shows the layout. A list of burials, not stone readings, which the city would have and may be in the computer database already that is available. And then a group of volunteers to go in and do the work. The last time I was there which was a good five years ago, it was in sorry shape, also. Tire ruts, right up to the stones and the stones toppled. I am sure also that many stones are under the sod as you think also. The cemetery that is on Midland Rd. by the park also has stones that are down, but looked to be fallen over due to age, and upon looking we found that some were under the sod also. It would be great to see a group form to preserve the old cemeteries in the area. I will go surfing and see if I can find the references again for what other groups in the state have done and send the links when I find them. Pat Hamp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Bohinski" <Bohinski@Chartermi.net> To: <MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Re: Forest lawn & Brady hill Cemeteries > I'm sure there are many, many stones that are grown over. I know I have > to keep digging out the stones on my ancestors at Mt. Olivet. The stones > are actually a few inches below grade now. I always thought Mt. Olivet > was a perpetual care cemetery, doesn't that mean they raise the stones > every so often so they don't get over grown by the lawn? Or does the > perpetual care just mean they cut the grass? > > As far the toppled stones go, the ones I'm talking about are the hugh > monoliths you see in these older cemeteries. I'm sure they were > purposely toppled by vandals. I know that frost does move the smaller > stones and you can see evidence of frost damage to alot of them. Some > time ago I remember reading about a lot of damage done by vandals in > quite a few of the cemeteries in and around the city of Saginaw. It's a > shame some of our youth have no respect for these sacred places. > > Does anyone know of an organization that takes care of fixing this type > of damage? I know the city will never do anything about it. I'd be > happy to help out if there is such an organization. > > Pat > > Freeman Coats wrote: > > >><Many of the tombstones are of the old type that are only about 2" thick, > >> > >> > >and many have toppled over. When they do, the sod starts creeping up on > >them. A few years ago, I searched the cemetery for a tombstone that was > >definitely supposed to be buried there. I didn't find it but I found many > >tombstones that had been toppled (possibly accidentally) and the sod nearly > >covered all of them. I imagine that there are many, many tombstones here > >that are covered by a couple of inches of sod. > > > > > > ______________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10 January 2003

Hi Shelly That is what I always thought. Indiantown was right where you said it is. But this 1906 obit states Indian Town (2 words) near St. Charles. I know the entire family always lived in the St. Charles area. All of the obit made sense except Indian Town. That is why I was wondering if anyone heard of it's existance before the turn of the century. Saja423@aol.com wrote:Hi all, Indiantown is in Saginaw County, Buena Vista Twp, closest exit is I75 & M81, then go East on M81 to Portsmouth Road approximately 3 miles, turn left (North) and go 1 mile....that is Indiantown. It currently consists of about 3 homes and a township building. This information is from my husband who works for Saginaw WNEM TV5 television station. He knows this because the station has a tower in Indiantown and he used to have to go there often. Shelly

I don't remember which year, but believe I seen "Indian Town" shown on the left side of a census page in the area. Suzanne Davison Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Obertein" <carolinsaginaw@prodigy.net> To: <MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Indian Town by St. Charles? > > Thank you. I wonder if this is where Indian Town was? > SCIGSC@aol.com wrote:Dear Carolyn: > > Indiantown Cemetery in St. Charles township is located on a sandy ridge > of Section 23 north of Fergus Road and west of Turner Road. > Burials at this site were investigated in 1962 > and were found to be wooden boxes nailed with square cut nails. > Evidence of a wool blanket was found in one case. > A ten inch stone crudely cut with "N. Brown, Nov. 14, 1841" was found at this > site. > > Susan Warner > Saginaw, Michigan > > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:34:46 PM, carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com writes: > > Subj: [MISAGINA] Indian Town by St. Charles? > > Date: 1/13/2003 1:34:46 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com > > Reply-to: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com > > To: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com > > I found an old obit for John Trumble that stated he was from Indian Town > > somewhere by St. Charles. Does anyone know where this would be? Was there > > any cemeteries in that area? > > Carolyn > > >

Dear Carolyn: Indiantown Cemetery in St. Charles township is located on a sandy ridge of Section 23 north of Fergus Road and west of Turner Road. Burials at this site were investigated in 1962 and were found to be wooden boxes nailed with square cut nails. Evidence of a wool blanket was found in one case. A ten inch stone crudely cut with "N. Brown, Nov. 14, 1841" was found at this site. Susan Warner Saginaw, Michigan In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:34:46 PM, carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: [MISAGINA] Indian Town by St. Charles? > Date: 1/13/2003 1:34:46 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com">carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> > I found an old obit for John Trumble that stated he was from Indian Town > somewhere by St. Charles. Does anyone know where this would be? Was there > any cemeteries in that area? > Carolyn >

Hi Tanya This is from the current Saginaw, Michigan phone directory. Theodore Borucki 4411 W Michigan Ave Saginaw, MI phone: (989) 791-7016 Shelly

Searching Hi I am searching for a Tamera Borucki, she lived in Saginaw and is the daughter of Jean and Ted Borucki. She is my cousin and I would love to get some information on her family, I know she had married but do not know who too. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Tanya

Dear Searcher: Saint John's Cemetery located at Amelith and Kraenzlein Road Amelith, Mi. is in Bay County. Susan Warner Saginaw, Michigan

Hi Susan, Thanks for your most informative reply. The sketchy info about a cemetery that had been moved came from a conversation with a woman at St. Andrew's Cemetery when I was searching for my Saginaw family. Thanks again. Pat