Oakwood is a city owned cemetery, Mt. Olivet is owned by the Saginaw Diocese. I would suggest Sue call the city cemetery office that is located at Forest Lawn Cemetery and ask if they can do that. They take care of all city owned cemeteries from that site. Pat Carolyn Obertein wrote: >What I can do to help people that are looking for someone in Oakwood Cemetery is announce the section we are photographing. When you see a section we are photographing call the office and ask if they would mark the grave for that day and we will be sure to photograph that spot and poke around in the spot if there is no headstone to see if there is a buried stone. Mt. Olivet marks spots when you ask and I am hoping Oakwood does also. Does anyone know this for sure? >Carolyn > >Saginawsue@aol.com wrote: >Oops, I'm sorry--I hit the send button before I wrote my note. My question >deals with tombstones at Oakwood Cemetery. I have tried numerous times to find >a tombstone for William and Caroline Rugenstein on visits to Oakwood Cemetery. >The cemetery office told me that they are buried in Section 55, Lot 45 and >that their records show a stone was installed at the site. However, I have >walked every inch of that part of the cemetery and can find no stone--only a large >grassy area. They were buried in 1887 and 1925. Frustrating! Does anyone know >if it is possible to have someone from the cemetery office go out and actually >mark the place where the graves are located? Perhaps stones in that area were >knocked over and are now buried under the sod. I would like to either >resurrect the stone to its original position or have a new marker erected to honor my >great grandparents. > >Mary Sue Schnell > > > >Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, Platt & Cemetery Maps, Citizens, Vets, and Poll List - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm > > > >

Hi Carolyn, I live near Flint and don't have a phone # for Brady. Is there a phone #? The families I need are Knippel, Palmer, or Cramer. Thanks in advance. Blessings....Sharon --- Carolyn Obertein <carolinsaginaw@prodigy.net> wrote: > We will be photographing Brady Hill on July 19. If > you have a headstone you want to be sure to be > photographed see if the office will mark the spot > for that day. If no stone is present we will poke > around the spot for buried headstones. Who knows > what we will find for you. > Carolyn > > RiddickJ@aol.com wrote: > My brother Joe found the tombstones of my Pendell > relatives under at least > twelve inches of dirt and sod at Brady Hill > Cemetery. They were quite well > preserved. I think at one time they had been > verticle. > Jody Fliegel Riddick > > > > Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, > Platt & Cemetery Maps, Citizens, Vets, and Poll List > - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph Website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm > ===== researching: Hensler, Brandt, Berger, Yahn, McCray, Cramer, Palmer, Armstrong, Pooler, Knippel, Braatz, Davis,

We will be photographing Brady Hill on July 19. If you have a headstone you want to be sure to be photographed see if the office will mark the spot for that day. If no stone is present we will poke around the spot for buried headstones. Who knows what we will find for you. Carolyn RiddickJ@aol.com wrote: My brother Joe found the tombstones of my Pendell relatives under at least twelve inches of dirt and sod at Brady Hill Cemetery. They were quite well preserved. I think at one time they had been verticle. Jody Fliegel Riddick Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, Platt & Cemetery Maps, Citizens, Vets, and Poll List - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm

What I can do to help people that are looking for someone in Oakwood Cemetery is announce the section we are photographing. When you see a section we are photographing call the office and ask if they would mark the grave for that day and we will be sure to photograph that spot and poke around in the spot if there is no headstone to see if there is a buried stone. Mt. Olivet marks spots when you ask and I am hoping Oakwood does also. Does anyone know this for sure? Carolyn Saginawsue@aol.com wrote: Oops, I'm sorry--I hit the send button before I wrote my note. My question deals with tombstones at Oakwood Cemetery. I have tried numerous times to find a tombstone for William and Caroline Rugenstein on visits to Oakwood Cemetery. The cemetery office told me that they are buried in Section 55, Lot 45 and that their records show a stone was installed at the site. However, I have walked every inch of that part of the cemetery and can find no stone--only a large grassy area. They were buried in 1887 and 1925. Frustrating! Does anyone know if it is possible to have someone from the cemetery office go out and actually mark the place where the graves are located? Perhaps stones in that area were knocked over and are now buried under the sod. I would like to either resurrect the stone to its original position or have a new marker erected to honor my great grandparents. Mary Sue Schnell Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, Platt & Cemetery Maps, Citizens, Vets, and Poll List - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm

Oops, I'm sorry--I hit the send button before I wrote my note. My question deals with tombstones at Oakwood Cemetery. I have tried numerous times to find a tombstone for William and Caroline Rugenstein on visits to Oakwood Cemetery. The cemetery office told me that they are buried in Section 55, Lot 45 and that their records show a stone was installed at the site. However, I have walked every inch of that part of the cemetery and can find no stone--only a large grassy area. They were buried in 1887 and 1925. Frustrating! Does anyone know if it is possible to have someone from the cemetery office go out and actually mark the place where the graves are located? Perhaps stones in that area were knocked over and are now buried under the sod. I would like to either resurrect the stone to its original position or have a new marker erected to honor my great grandparents. Mary Sue Schnell

My brother Joe found the tombstones of my Pendell relatives under at least twelve inches of dirt and sod at Brady Hill Cemetery. They were quite well preserved. I think at one time they had been verticle. Jody Fliegel Riddick

Penny, Are you aware that a BLISS Family History has been written. It was written about 25 or 30 years ago by Ty and Jeanne BLISS of Midland. I know there is a copy in the Grace A. Dow Public Library in Midland, MI where Ty and Jeanne lived. Carolyn of Midland

We will try to get there this week if possible. Can't today. :) Looks like they are in first 2 sections going into cemetery on left. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/photographs/cemete rymaps/oakwood.htm -----Original Message----- From: Penny Bliss [mailto:penbliss@chartermi.net] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:59 AM To: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MISAGINA] Photographing for Oakwood The majority of the Bittman burials in the Oakwood Cemetery are in Block 87, Lot 173; except for Dora and Lyman Bittman who are buried in Block 88 (North 1/2) Lot 59. This is what I need to be photgraphed. Thanks in advance. Penny Bliss

I thought I would remind the persons doing Brady Hill Cemetery of the probable buried tombstones. When I was last there, a few years ago, there were many of the tombstones - the flat type - that were tipped over and the sod had partially covered them. I believe that others were totally covered. I was looking for the tombstone of Josephine Snyder (or other spelling of Schneider, etc.) I had had notes from on old relative and she described Josephine's tombstone at Brady Hill as the flat type. I believe she was an accurate genealogist and I'm sure she SAW that tombstone but I couldn't find it anywhere. Looking at all the possible sites of buried tombstones, I imagine its laying there under the sod somewhere! I suggest you bring along an ice pick and poke it here and there where you believe there might be a tombstone - and a small trowel to dig it out.

LOL....do we need a history lesson here? Aaron T. Bliss is certainly "the park one" He was governor of the state! His home is about 6 blocks from me and I live less than that from "the Park" that he donated to the city of Saginaw. By the way, did anyone know they finally put a historical marker up for it! You should see it, looks real nice. Pat pime2003 wrote: >He must be the park one, >

In a message dated 6/16/03 11:08:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bohinski@Chartermi.net writes: > Probably Calvary, but could also be at Mt. Olivet, both are Catholic > cemeteries. I believe Carolyn has Calvary on her website. > > Pat > > P.S. Just because a person was of the Catholic faith, it doesn't mean > they were buried in one of the two cemeteries I mentioned, there are a > multitude of cemeteries they could be buried in. In that timeframe > though I would think they probably are in one of those two if they were > buried in a Catholic cemetery Thanks for the information. Fran

This is just a requested reminder by the volunteers. Photographing of Oakwood Cemetery on Gratiot Rd. from 6 p.m. - 8 p.m. We will be photographing section 113. For a map of Oakwood Cemetery go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/photographs/cemeterymaps/oakwood.htm Carolyn Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, Platt & Cemetery Maps, Citizens, Vets, and Poll List - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm

Do you know where in Oakwood? There were other Bliss names, but we didn't get them because we weren't sure what you wanted. If you know names check with Saginaw Public Library. They have a offline data base with the burial info. Same for Oakwood I think. Is Aaron a Bliss you were interested in? He must be the park one, because of the size of tomb. Might be info in history books about him if you don't have it. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Penny Bliss [mailto:penbliss@chartermi.net] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:32 PM To: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Headstone Pics The Bittman's are at Oakwood Cem. I just looked. Thanks for the Bliss one's. They look great. Penny Bliss

Hi, I am looking for Fred and Bella (Draves) LARGE. Large is the name I am looking for at Forest Lawn, not Draves. Bella's maiden name was Draves. Thanks, Georgia Draves ----- Original Message ----- From: "pime2003" <pime2003@chartermi.net> To: <MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] Forest Lawn, BLISS, JOHNSON > We asked, but there was no Bittman or Draves in Forest Lawn. > > There is a huge moment to Aaron BLISS, and Bliss people in 2 other sections. > We did not know which to look for. We took a picture of BLISS, but haven't > looked at it yet. > > The Civil War stones are wearing out and I'd suggest that would be a good > project to start with. We have looked several times before with no luck, > but today realized to find the GAR section, you need to walk through another > section. We were lucky and found my great grandfather, Joseph H. JOHNSON > there. > >

Carolyn, What times? It would be late morning before I could get there, probably about 11:00 or so. Please send out reminders the week before. Pat Hamp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Obertein" <carolinsaginaw@prodigy.net> To: <MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] Brady Hill Cemetery to be photographed > I would like to set up photographing of Brady Hill Cemetery for Saturday, July 19, 2003. This is one of Saginaw's oldest cemeteries. I would like to get as many volunteers as possible to photograph this cemetery. If you would like to join us please let me know. The more volunteers the less time it will take. This cemetery may hold important clues for researchers. > > Carolyn > > > > Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, Platt & Cemetery Maps, Citizens, Vets, and Poll List - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10 June 2003

We asked, but there was no Bittman or Draves in Forest Lawn. There is a huge moment to Aaron BLISS, and Bliss people in 2 other sections. We did not know which to look for. We took a picture of BLISS, but haven't looked at it yet. The Civil War stones are wearing out and I'd suggest that would be a good project to start with. We have looked several times before with no luck, but today realized to find the GAR section, you need to walk through another section. We were lucky and found my great grandfather, Joseph H. JOHNSON there.

We will look today and see if we can get them. -----Original Message----- From: georgia draves [mailto:robinhd@shawneelink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:40 AM To: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Headstone Pics I am also waiting anxiously for the Forest Lawn Cemetery to be photographed; I am looking for the Fred and Bella (Draves) Large headstones. Your people have certainly worked hard at this ....I have read all your notes organizing throughout the Winter etc I appreciate all your hard work. georgia draves (Southern IL) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Bliss" <penbliss@chartermi.net> To: <MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] Headstone Pics > Is anyone going to photograph the Forest Lawn Cemetery? I would like to see the Bliss's and the Bittman's headstone on there. Thank You. > Penny Bliss >

Forest Lawn and Oakwood are worth photographing just for the beauty of them. There are MANY OLD German stones. Forest Lawn has very nice helpful people working in the office. We have been very pleased when we stopped there. The stones are unbelievable if you have never seen them.

We gradually will be photographing this cemetery. It is one of the largest in Saginaw so we will be doing this section by section when we do it. Do you know the section your ancestors are in? We could start with that section first. Carolyn Penny Bliss <penbliss@chartermi.net> wrote: Is anyone going to photograph the Forest Lawn Cemetery? I would like to see the Bliss's and the Bittman's headstone on there. Thank You. Penny Bliss Census, Bios, Obits, Cemetery, Church, & Vet Photos, Platt & Cemetery Maps, Citizens, Vets, and Poll List - Visit the Saginaw County Photograph Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm

I am also waiting anxiously for the Forest Lawn Cemetery to be photographed; I am looking for the Fred and Bella (Draves) Large headstones. Your people have certainly worked hard at this ....I have read all your notes organizing throughout the Winter etc I appreciate all your hard work. georgia draves (Southern IL) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Bliss" <penbliss@chartermi.net> To: <MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] Headstone Pics > Is anyone going to photograph the Forest Lawn Cemetery? I would like to see the Bliss's and the Bittman's headstone on there. Thank You. > Penny Bliss >