Dear Suzette, Thank you. I appreciate the help. That'll keep me busy. Jan

Hi Diane, thanks very much. I will certainly appreciate any help you might be able to give me. All I know about the cheese factory ws from my mom, who only knew it from my younger sister (Grandma always told her more than me ;o) Blessings....Sharon [email protected] wrote: > > Sharon, > The grocery/butcher market was owned for many years by a family named > Katter. Their son, Ken, and his wife, Jane, were close friends of mine. > They might be able to help you with the history of that market and be able to > fill you in on where your cheese factory was located. I will be returning to > MI in the next three weeks and when I do, I will try to locate them if you > would like. Just send me an e-mail reminder to do so You might find them > online or in the white pages, too, for the Saginaw area. Good luck to you > and happy hunting!! > > Diane Prout. -- researching: Armstrong, Braatz, Brandt, Cramer, Davis, Hensler, Knippel, McCray, Palmer, Shields, Thomason & Yahn

First of all, it confuses some, but St. Clair Shores is not in St. Clair County. You probably already know that it is in Macomb County. Here are some links for you to try: Macomb County http://www.online-isp.com/~maggie/macomb/ St. Clair County Primary website http://www.rootsweb.com/~mistclai/ My website, there is an intrasite search option about halfway down the page - I had 3 hits for "Fovell" http://www.rootsweb.com/~mistcla2/ Useful links that I've found for St. Clair County & surrounding areas http://www.rootsweb.com/~mistcla2/usefulwebsites.htm Canadian Archives - useful for 1871 census index, etc. http://www.archives.ca/02/0201_e.html Ontario Genealogy & Family History http://www.wwnet.com/~treesrch/ontario.html Ontario, Canada - GenWeb http://www.multiboard.com/~spettit/ongenweb/ Ontario Vital Statistics Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ Ontario, Canada - Rootsweb http://resources.rootsweb.com/world/Canada/Ontario/ Hope this helps someone! Suzette [email protected] wrote: > Dear Suzette, > Thank you for taking the time to read this: > My ancestors, the FOVELL'S lived in St. Claire Shores. Jim FOVELL, aka > (Jaques FAUVELLE) and Duncan (FAUVELLE) FOVELL worked in the lumbermills > there. Do you know the name of the lumber mills? > What is the http for Ontario, Canada. Also, your website? > We have some PERKINS ancestors from Macomb County, too. They were originally > from Jefferson County, NY. > Thank you, > Jan Johnson > Researching: > PERKINS from Jefferson County, NY to Hemlock, MI > DORCHESTER > FAUVELLE - FOVELL from Quebec, Canada > DAUST > GILSON from Welland County, Onterio > Saginaw, MI > Midland, MI > MOORE from Mt. Pleasant, MI

Dear Suzette, Thank you for taking the time to read this: My ancestors, the FOVELL'S lived in St. Claire Shores. Jim FOVELL, aka (Jaques FAUVELLE) and Duncan (FAUVELLE) FOVELL worked in the lumbermills there. Do you know the name of the lumber mills? What is the http for Ontario, Canada. Also, your website? We have some PERKINS ancestors from Macomb County, too. They were originally from Jefferson County, NY. Thank you, Jan Johnson Researching: PERKINS from Jefferson County, NY to Hemlock, MI DORCHESTER FAUVELLE - FOVELL from Quebec, Canada DAUST GILSON from Welland County, Onterio > Saginaw, MI > Midland, MI MOORE from Mt. Pleasant, MI

Sharon, The grocery/butcher market was owned for many years by a family named Katter. Their son, Ken, and his wife, Jane, were close friends of mine. They might be able to help you with the history of that market and be able to fill you in on where your cheese factory was located. I will be returning to MI in the next three weeks and when I do, I will try to locate them if you would like. Just send me an e-mail reminder to do so You might find them online or in the white pages, too, for the Saginaw area. Good luck to you and happy hunting!! Diane Prout.

I host a St. Clair County Marriages & Deaths website. The marriages listed are from the actual records from the county clerk. What I found curious was just how many bride and grooms came from Macomb County and across the river from Ontario, Canada. So, if you are looking for American marriages in Canada, don't discount Sarnia, Ontario as a likely place. Suzette Ralph Brandi wrote: > At 8:17 AM -0400 4/19/01, Phil & Kathy Campbell wrote: > >Hi Ralph Brandi, > > > >My grandparents met in Flint, Genesee Co., MI in 1912; but for some reason, > >went over to Windsor, Essex Co., Ontario just to get married. I've never > >actually checked to see what the requirements were at the time there; but in > >this case, a quick marriage with less requirements sounds like a good > >explanation. > > That thought had occurred to me, that perhaps Canada was a likely suspect. > Looking through the LDS online catalog, I see that marriages in Canada were > recorded in a province-wide index, so it looks like that's where I'll look > (rather than having to limit myself just to Windsor). Thanks for the > suggestion. > > Ralph > > > I've been reading about "Gretna Green" marriage mills (named after a town > > in Scotland that catered to English people who wanted to marry quickly) > > that married all comers with few questions asked. Does anyone know of any > > such towns or counties near Michigan that would qualify for such a > > designation in around 1910-1912? I looked through the list archives on > > Rootsweb and didn't find anything about this.

Hi Ralph Brandi, My grandparents met in Flint, Genesee Co., MI in 1912; but for some reason, went over to Windsor, Essex Co., Ontario just to get married. I've never actually checked to see what the requirements were at the time there; but in this case, a quick marriage with less requirements sounds like a good explanation. Happy Hunting, Phil Campbell ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Brandi To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] nearby marriage mills? Much of my family settled in Saginaw in the late 1800s before eventually migrating down to Detroit in the 1920s. I've done a lot of research in Saginaw records for my Brandi family members, and have found a number of cousins. But I've got one brick wall that's standing in my way. I can't find a marriage record for my great-grandparents. My great-grandfather, Ralph A. Brandi Sr., was born in San Potito Sannitico, Italy, and came to Saginaw with his parents Vincenzo and Maria around 1888. Ralph married Helen Prillwitz on 2 August 1890, which I found in the Saginaw marriage records on microfilm from the LDS. They divorced around 1909-10 (the records I found at the State Archives in Lansing were inconclusive on this), and sometime between 1910 and 1912, Ralph appears to have married Antonina Wisniewski. I say appears to have because Ralph fathered a child in 1912 with a woman the Saginaw county records recorded as Anna Washnaski, which seems to be a possible distortion of Antonina's name, although it's possible that this is another woman. Birth records for my grandfather in 1919 and his sister in 1918 definitely show Ralph as father and Antonina (or Antonia, or Anthonia, as she was alternately known) as the mother. Antonina is listed as having been born in Bay City in the early 1880s. I've looked at the birth records there, and there are more than one Antonina Wisniewski born in Bay City during those years, so I need to find out who her parents were. I've searched the Saginaw county marriage records available through the LDS and found nothing. Figuring that maybe they got married in the bride's hometown, I searched Bay county marriage records between 1907 and 1920 and found nothing. When I was at the State Archives in Lansing last summer, I searched the statewide index of marriages multiple times between 1907 and 1920 and found nothing. If they got married in Michigan, it doesn't appear to be in the records. I expect to search marriage records for surrounding jurisdictions to see if perhaps they travelled out of state to get married (given the divorce and some other circumstances, this doesn't seem unlikely). But before I start looking, I'd like to know if there were any places I should focus on first. I've been reading about "Gretna Green" marriage mills (named after a town in Scotland that catered to English people who wanted to marry quickly) that married all comers with few questions asked. Does anyone know of any such towns or counties near Michigan that would qualify for such a designation in around 1910-1912? I looked through the list archives on Rootsweb and didn't find anything about this. Antonina died in 1926 at the Traverse City State Hospital, and her death certificate was not much help. The "informant" on her certificate was the hospital records, and they didn't list her parents. Because of the circumstances of her death (the hospital was an insane asylum to which I'm told she was mistakenly committed by the family priest), it appears there was no obituary in the newspapers at the time, not that I could find anyway. With the lack of information on her parents on the death certificate, the marriage record seems the best way to break through this brick wall. Any suggestions on where to look would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks. Ralph Brandi

Sharon, The corner of Court and Bond had St. Paul's Lutheran Church, two victorian era houses and a shop that housed a shade and Blind shop owned by a German couple (whose name I can't recall) through the 1930's and 40's. A block away there was a small commercial area a block long that housed a druggist, a hardware, Spaatz's bakery, the Court Theatre, a shoe repair shop and a small shop on the corner that had several businesses. Across the street were several other businesses including a feed store and butcher shop, and another drug store, and perhaps your cheese store. After 1950, all that began tyo change, and I don't know what's left. That was the closest business area to Court and Bond, though.

At 8:17 AM -0400 4/19/01, Phil & Kathy Campbell wrote: >Hi Ralph Brandi, > >My grandparents met in Flint, Genesee Co., MI in 1912; but for some reason, >went over to Windsor, Essex Co., Ontario just to get married. I've never >actually checked to see what the requirements were at the time there; but in >this case, a quick marriage with less requirements sounds like a good >explanation. That thought had occurred to me, that perhaps Canada was a likely suspect. Looking through the LDS online catalog, I see that marriages in Canada were recorded in a province-wide index, so it looks like that's where I'll look (rather than having to limit myself just to Windsor). Thanks for the suggestion. Ralph > I've been reading about "Gretna Green" marriage mills (named after a town > in Scotland that catered to English people who wanted to marry quickly) > that married all comers with few questions asked. Does anyone know of any > such towns or counties near Michigan that would qualify for such a > designation in around 1910-1912? I looked through the list archives on > Rootsweb and didn't find anything about this.

Much of my family settled in Saginaw in the late 1800s before eventually migrating down to Detroit in the 1920s. I've done a lot of research in Saginaw records for my Brandi family members, and have found a number of cousins. But I've got one brick wall that's standing in my way. I can't find a marriage record for my great-grandparents. My great-grandfather, Ralph A. Brandi Sr., was born in San Potito Sannitico, Italy, and came to Saginaw with his parents Vincenzo and Maria around 1888. Ralph married Helen Prillwitz on 2 August 1890, which I found in the Saginaw marriage records on microfilm from the LDS. They divorced around 1909-10 (the records I found at the State Archives in Lansing were inconclusive on this), and sometime between 1910 and 1912, Ralph appears to have married Antonina Wisniewski. I say appears to have because Ralph fathered a child in 1912 with a woman the Saginaw county records recorded as Anna Washnaski, which seems to be a possible distortion of Antonina's name, although it's possible that this is another woman. Birth records for my grandfather in 1919 and his sister in 1918 definitely show Ralph as father and Antonina (or Antonia, or Anthonia, as she was alternately known) as the mother. Antonina is listed as having been born in Bay City in the early 1880s. I've looked at the birth records there, and there are more than one Antonina Wisniewski born in Bay City during those years, so I need to find out who her parents were. I've searched the Saginaw county marriage records available through the LDS and found nothing. Figuring that maybe they got married in the bride's hometown, I searched Bay county marriage records between 1907 and 1920 and found nothing. When I was at the State Archives in Lansing last summer, I searched the statewide index of marriages multiple times between 1907 and 1920 and found nothing. If they got married in Michigan, it doesn't appear to be in the records. I expect to search marriage records for surrounding jurisdictions to see if perhaps they travelled out of state to get married (given the divorce and some other circumstances, this doesn't seem unlikely). But before I start looking, I'd like to know if there were any places I should focus on first. I've been reading about "Gretna Green" marriage mills (named after a town in Scotland that catered to English people who wanted to marry quickly) that married all comers with few questions asked. Does anyone know of any such towns or counties near Michigan that would qualify for such a designation in around 1910-1912? I looked through the list archives on Rootsweb and didn't find anything about this. Antonina died in 1926 at the Traverse City State Hospital, and her death certificate was not much help. The "informant" on her certificate was the hospital records, and they didn't list her parents. Because of the circumstances of her death (the hospital was an insane asylum to which I'm told she was mistakenly committed by the family priest), it appears there was no obituary in the newspapers at the time, not that I could find anyway. With the lack of information on her parents on the death certificate, the marriage record seems the best way to break through this brick wall. Any suggestions on where to look would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks. Ralph Brandi

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Hi listers, I've been searching for a long time for Cramer Cheese Factory, or shop or something. I thought it was Cramer Dairy, but it was cheese. My great grandparents owned and operated it. If I remember correctly, my mom said it was on Court and Bond? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated! Blessings....Sharon -- researching: Armstrong, Braatz, Brandt, Cramer, Davis, Hensler, Knippel, McCray, Palmer, Shields, Thomason & Yahn

I just received information that a Drusilla DECKER was born in Saginaw County, Michigan on 3 Feb 1868. Does Saginaw Co. have birth records? Would someone be able to do a look up for me? Am trying to verify this and what town or township the birth took place. Thank you. Bonnie

Hello everyone, I have some cemetery books and I am willing to do lookups. * Please send the cemetery name (if you have it), the surnames, and names you are looking for to [email protected] * Please don't just hit reply from this email. Otherwise it will take longer to get back to you. * Don't send requests to the list(s), either as I don't read them as often as I do email. Happy Easter, folks! :) The cemetery names and locations are listed below. Cemetery City ------------------------------------------------------------------------ St. Charles Cemetery St. Charles, Township, Saginaw Co. Brant Township Cemetery Taymouth Township, Saginaw Co. Taymouth Township Cemetery Taymouth Township, Saginaw Co. Wheaton (Indian) Cemetery Taymouth Township, Saginaw Co. OakGrove Cemetery Bridgeport Township, Saginaw Co. Pinegrove Cemetery Bridgeport Township, Saginaw Co. St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery Bridgeport Township, Saginaw Co. Birch Run Township Cemetery Birch Run Township, Saginaw Co. Hammond Cemetery Birch Run Township, Saginaw Co. Buena Vista Township Cemetery Buena Vista Township, Saginaw Co. Kochville Methodist Cemetery Kochville Township, Saginaw Co. Owen Cemetery Thomas Township, Saginaw Co. Bethel Lutheran Church Cemetery Frankenmuth Township, Saginaw Co. Frankenmuch Township Cemetery Frankenmuth Township, Saginaw Co. St. John's Lutheran Cemetery Frankenmuth Township, Saginaw Co. [email protected] -- Tina B. Tirsek [email protected] http://pti.stofa.dk/~emmie/

Hello all, I'm looking for information (or where I could look for information) about my Grandfather, OTTO GEIGER. In the early 1900's he owned a boat called Vietta.(It was named after his first wife, Vita) I believe he ran it on the Saginaw River possibly for parties and gambling. The story is said that it was traded for property in Detroit in 1921. Otto and his father, John Geiger Sr. also ran a saloon (325 Germania) and grocery store (439 Howard St.) in Saginaw. If anyone has any information on this boat (or Otto Geiger) I would love to hear about it. If anyone has any ideas of where I could look to find the information I would love to hear from you. Thank you in advance gail

Sally, Thanks for the list of names. I would really appreciate reading the other list of names that you have. Patricia

Hi! I have a partial listing of what I think are birthdays. They are listed by the month and it is from Jan 21 1926. Listed in the Saginaw News courier. Not all the months are listed, but I would like to list them here, perhaps by the month. No other info other than name, day and year of birth. No place, etc.also does not say if female names are maiden or married. MAY: the 9th: Charles Podvin; born 1850 10th: Thomas E. Doran; born 1851 August Matthias; born 1841 11-John Tomforde; born 1858 12- Edward f. SPRIESS; born 1885 Samuel J. SCHAFER; born 1856 14-Amelia DUPERO; born 1849 William c. BOWINS; born 1868 15-James E. WILSON, born 1850 Dr. Charles S. WATSON; born 1853 18- John MCGILL; born 1866 George NORTON; born 1872 Anna SCHULER; born 1831 19- Esther K. LEACH; born 1871 Margaret L. RABE; born 1870 20-Vera MAPLE; born 1857 22-Richard ANDERSON; b. 1848 Mrs. Mary RANDALL; (no year) 23-Sarah Elizabeth CRANE; b. 1842 24-Joseph O. CAMPBELL; b. 1870 26- Lyman e. GLAZIER; b. 1845 27- Jennie E. SWEET; b. 1856 Ernest Peabody COOPER; b. 1868 28- Mary SEYMOUR GUIETT; b.1836 30- John w. HERNDON; born 1842 Gilbert a. DANIELS; b. 1870 Anna Margaret KREUZER; b. 1857 31-William J. KAIN; b. 1882 I have a partial listing for June (1-23), a complete listing for September, and a partial for October (4-8). I would be more than happy to post these if anyone feels they are helpful. Sally

I don't have any - but wanted to ask - is this Carter family related to the David carter who started D&C shipping in the late 1800's?

In a message dated 4/2/2001 9:04:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << http://www.saginaw.lib.mi.us >> I am looking for any death report or record of Eldon J. Carter Sr. from about 1954 to 1957. His was supposedly a suicide. He had lived above where the Chicky Vaccuum place was on the corner of Michigan and Genessee. I know he died in Saginaw but am unable to find any report of the death. I also know he is burried up at Indian River Michigan. Any memories or info would be apreciated. Thank you B. Carter-Maxwell

Thank you for the offer but I already received a copy of one. Theresa ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Photo Request > Going into Saginaw today, I will check, and I have a digital camera I might > even be able to snap a picture for you. > > Tammy >