Looking for any information on my mother's father and gr. parents: mother: Jane Costain Graeme her fa.: William Heslop Graeme (b. 1863, Saginaw) her g.fa: Richard Graeme her g.mo: Sarah Heslop Any information would be helpful. Thanks, Jan Costain Fleming Firtion

Maria, We are searching in the same (foggy) area in Saginaw. Here's what I know about the formation of Saginaw Gear (an extract from Portrait and Biographical Record, Saginaw and Bay County, MI, 1892, Biographical Publishers, Chicago, 1892, pp.288-289): "James McGregor, Sr., learned boiler-making on The Clyde in Glascow, Scotland...Upon returning to Saginaw, Michigan before 1858, James founded, along with John L. Jackson, the boiler works known as "McGregor and Jackson'." From a history of Saginaw County, "In 1899, E. D. Church purchased of James McGregor [Jr.], his interest in the boiler works of McGregor and Jackson, and the manufacture of boilers, heaters, tanks, burners, plate and structural iron was added to their line." Following that acquisition, the firm went on to become a division of General Motors in 1910. In 1999, it continued to exist as Saginaw Gear. If there are employee records, this suggests that they would be held by General Motors. James McGregor, Jr. is my great-grandfather and my task is to find where he disappeared to in 1899. Prior to that time, he was an Alderman in the Sixth Ward, active in politics, a member of the Masonic Lodge. He was the spouse of Maude Hall. Keep me in mind if you find any information about your kin that might be of help. Thanks. Pat Hall Bloomfield Hills, Michigan

In a message dated 05/03/2001 11:44:27 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE INFO. LOOKED IN THE OBITS AT SAGINAW LIBRARY FOUND > ALOT OF GARNERS BUT NO FREDERICK. ONLY KNEW HIM AS "FRITZIE" THAT WAS IN > THE > LATE 40'S EARLY 50'S WE WERE KIDS I'M NOW 60. GREW UP IN THE SAME > NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ON 9TH AND WADSWORTH FOR ME. I THINK HE LIVED AROUND > 1OTH AND CHERRY SOMEWHERE. THANKS AGAIN JANET > > Janet, I looked on AnyWho and found the following address and phone number for a Frederick G. Garner. I am willing to bet it is who you are looking for. (I have never met him, but he would be my second cousin). Garner, Frederick G. 9608 Ethel Tampa, FL 33602 813-677-1803 Mary Sue Garner Schnell Norman, OK

Janet, Just re-read an obituary of Frederick Garner's stepfather. In 1991 he and wife, Linda, lived in Florida. You might check an on-line telephone directory for Florida to see if you can locate him. Mary Sue

I not sure if it was a gospel hall, but St. Paul Church had a school on the corner of N. Porter and Cleveland. It was called St. Paul school and it went to the eighth grade I believe.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE INFO. LOOKED IN THE OBITS AT SAGINAW LIBRARY FOUND ALOT OF GARNERS BUT NO FREDERICK. ONLY KNEW HIM AS "FRITZIE" THAT WAS IN THE LATE 40'S EARLY 50'S WE WERE KIDS I'M NOW 60. GREW UP IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ON 9TH AND WADSWORTH FOR ME. I THINK HE LIVED AROUND 1OTH AND CHERRY SOMEWHERE. THANKS AGAIN JANET

Dear Judy: In response to your question, I have the following information: The 1950 Saginaw City Directory lists a "Gospel Hall" located at 500 N. Porter. The current Saginaw phone book shows a "Gospel Hall" located at 502 N. Porter I hope this information is helpful to your research. In a message dated 05/03/2001 6:37:49 AM, [email protected] writes: > Subj:[MISAGINA] "Gosple Hall" on Porter or Granger St > Date:05/03/2001 6:37:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: [email protected] (Judy Ardine) > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To: [email protected] > Does anyone remember a "Gospel Hall" on either N Porter or N Granger > Street, maybe the 500 or 600 block, in the 1950s? What denomination would > it have been? I wasn't a member but every week, I think it was on Fridays, > we neighborhood kids used to go. We would memorize a bible verse they gave > us the week before and in return get a free candy. They had interesting > bible stories "animated" on a felt "sticky" board, I remember one of the > non-biblical stories was Pilgrim's Progess. It kept us off the streets one > night a week! I still remember some of the songs we learned there. One of > my favorites in particular keeps bugging me. The starting verse: "Into a > tent where a gypsy boy lay, dying alone at the close of the day, did he so > love me a poor little boy, send unto me the glad tidings of joy .... " >

I assume the "Fritzie" you are looking for is Frederick Garner. I looked in the 1998-99 Tri-Cities phone directory and didn't find him. Some possibilities to check from that directory are: John Garner, 3306 Glenbrook, Bay City John Garner, 6066 Trinklein, Saginaw John Garner, 3975 Homer Rd. John M. Garner, 3746 S. Homer, Merrill John G. Garner, IV, 2700 S. Center Rd., Saginaw, 249-1739 ** M & R. Garner, 2195 Shattuck, Saginaw ** Frederick (Fritzie) would be his uncle. This must be son of John G. Garner, III (Frederick's brother). Perhaps he can give you a lead, if his uncle is still living. That's the closest I can come. Good luck. If you find him will you let me know? I am tracking down all Garner descendents of James and Sarah Garner. Mary Sue [email protected]

Thank you for the info. Much appreciated. Maria [email protected] wrote: > > THERE WAS A GUN PLANT LOCATED ON HAMILTON STREET IN SAGINAW IT WAS A PART OF > SAGINAW STEERING GEAR. DELCO MORAINE HAS PARTS OF THESE PLANTS NOW. MAYBE THE > HOYT LIBRARY WOULD LOOK UP FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK.

Janet, Is it possible that your father in law is not remembering the cross streets? The was and still is a small white church that stands at the north east corner of Union and Stone Streets. When I was young it was called the Central Church of the Nazarene. I have no idea what the current name is. Also, I tried to locate any church structure at Union and N. Charles in a 1916 Atlas - with no success. Nor do I find it depicted on the 1896 version. I'll keep looking. If he remembers any other details please feel free to contact me. Tim Stark Naples, FL

Thank you for your help! With that information, I went out on the Internet and read about the denomination the Church of God was and how it has changed since it began as a "religion" in the 1930's. List: The VERY helpful Saginaw County Internet Genealogy Services Center sent this as a reply to my query: ******* The 1950 Saginaw City Directory lists a "Church of God" located at 1832 N. Charles, the corner of Charles and Union.The pastor at that time was Louis E. Wagoner. The current Saginaw phone book shows a "First Church of God" located at 1834 N. Charles, The current Pastor is Dave Vannorman ******** Janet

YES THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE FRITZIE I'M LOOKING FOR. DO YOU KNOW IF HE IS STILL IN SAGINAW.

Does anyone remember a "Gospel Hall" on either N Porter or N Granger Street, maybe the 500 or 600 block, in the 1950s? What denomination would it have been? I wasn't a member but every week, I think it was on Fridays, we neighborhood kids used to go. We would memorize a bible verse they gave us the week before and in return get a free candy. They had interesting bible stories "animated" on a felt "sticky" board, I remember one of the non-biblical stories was Pilgrim's Progess. It kept us off the streets one night a week! I still remember some of the songs we learned there. One of my favorites in particular keeps bugging me. The starting verse: "Into a tent where a gypsy boy lay, dying alone at the close of the day, did he so love me a poor little boy, send unto me the glad tidings of joy .... "

Dear Janet: In response to you question, I have the following information: The 1950 Saginaw City Directory lists a "Church of God" located at 1832 N. Charles, the corner of Charles and Union. The pastor at that time was Louis E. Wagoner. The current Saginaw phone book shows a "First Church of God" located at 1834 N Charles, The current Pastor is Dave Vannorman I hope this information is helpful to your research. Saginaw County Internet Genealogy Services Center In a message dated 05/03/2001 12:15:09 AM, [email protected] writes: > Subj:[MISAGINA] West Side Church denomination > Date:05/03/2001 12:15:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: [email protected] (White, Janet) > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To: [email protected] > My father-in-law is trying to remember the name and religion of a church - > which may or may not still be there. It was a "little white church" on the > corner of Union and N. Charles streets in Saginaw. He attended when he was > a boy in the mid to late 1930's. Can anyone help? > Thanks, > Janet in AZ

In a message dated 05/02/2001 10:16:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > LOOKING FOR "FRITZIE" GARNER MOTHER WAS MAXINE MALICOAT FATHER WAS JOHN G. > GARNER WAS A SWITCHMAN ON THE PERE MARQUETTE RAILROAD. HE DIED IN 1943. > > I have a Delores Garner whose mother was Maxine Malicoat and father was John G. Garner. She had two brothers, Frederick G. and John G. Garner, III. Could that be the "Fritzie" Garner you are looking for? Her mother's obituary in the Saginaw News in 1989 says that she lived in Flint and her married name was Delores Thornton. The first John G. Garner was my grandfather's brother. Mary Sue

LOOKING FOR "FRITZIE" GARNER MOTHER WAS MAXINE MALICOAT FATHER WAS JOHN G. GARNER WAS A SWITCHMAN ON THE PERE MARQUETTE RAILROAD. HE DIED IN 1943.

The Plant in question was Saginaw Steeriing Gear Plant 2 and is shutting down. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] RE: GUNPLANT THERE WAS A GUN PLANT LOCATED ON HAMILTON STREET IN SAGINAW IT WAS A PART OF SAGINAW STEERING GEAR. DELCO MORAINE HAS PARTS OF THESE PLANTS NOW. MAYBE THE HOYT LIBRARY WOULD LOOK UP FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK.

Does anyone remember a Cramer Cheese Factory? If not you, maybe your parents? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Blessings....Sharon [email protected] wrote: > > BRINGING BACK ALOT OF MEMORIES FOR AN OLD SAGINAW GIRL. -- researching: Armstrong, Braatz, Brandt, Cramer, Davis, Hensler, Knippel, McCray, Palmer, Shields, Thomason & Yahn

THERE WAS A GUN PLANT LOCATED ON HAMILTON STREET IN SAGINAW IT WAS A PART OF SAGINAW STEERING GEAR. DELCO MORAINE HAS PARTS OF THESE PLANTS NOW. MAYBE THE HOYT LIBRARY WOULD LOOK UP FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK.

[email protected] wrote: > Patricia > > what a surprise.� in looking at the names you found in the title search, one > of my cousins appeared:� Julia Lockwood.�� She was born Julia Andre, daughter > of Hon. Peter C. Andre and Clarissa Ann Stark.� They married in Saginaw in > 1846.� Peter Andre seems to have been a rather prominent and wealthy business > person, owning considerable real estate in the Saginaw area. > > Julia married George Sevy Lockwood, a merchant who operated a crockery shop > on Cpurt St. in his father-in-law's building.� George later help P.C. Andre > develope property on what is now Adams Blvd. Ah hah!� As with many places, so many of Saginaw's streets are named for early residents.� When my gg-grandparents, Colin & Agnes McBRATNIE, moved from Swan Creek Twp. to the city in the 1870s, they lived at the corner of Mackinaw and S. Andre, but until now, I didn't know why the street was named Andre. My mother, Jeanne HUNT, grew up on Adams Blvd. -- two different houses.� The second one was at Adams and Lockwood, so now I know where the name Lockwood came from. I never lived in Saginaw, but I visited so much that I always felt like it was my second home.� Thanks to everyone for all the memories. Mary Richardson Researching:� HUNT, McBRATNIE, McCULLOCH, PARKER, PURMORT, RIPLEY, WILLIAMS, GRAHAM, FRASER, BUTTS, PAINE, CONE,....