The name Albert Boertman is a possibility. All that is known of him is that he immigrated from Canada and worked for the "railroad" in Saginaw. He married Josephine Findley who was born October 2, 1861. The couple had three children, Minnie, Flora, and Joseph. Tom Mahar

Brenda, I flagged those names, so if I come across anything I can refer to you quickly. Looks as if you've got a pretty good start. Tim

Thanks Janet and Tim. Have Richard POWERS (b. 1844 Ireland) being the Prop. of the O'Brien Hotel from 1876 through 1880. Prior in 1874 he was living in Carrolton, Saginaw Co., MI as a laborer. He was married to Mary BUTLER September 27, 1870 in Saginaw. By 1889 Richard was living in Upson, Iron/Ashland Co., Wisconsin and as the Prop of the Pioneer House in Wisconsin. He then married in Detroit, Michigan May 1889 to a Margaret Cannan/Canaan that lists his address as Upson, Wisconsin. Mary Butler and Richard POWERS had at least 3 children: William born Oct 25, 1874, Richard born Dec. 8, 1878, and Nellie born April 19, 1881. These three children's birth record are in Saginaw Co. Do know that Nellie died in Cicero, ILL at about age 21 (never married). Think William died at young age as he was not listed in 1880 census with his parents. Don't have any idea what happened to young Richard born 1878 or his mother Mary Butler Powers. Anyone familiar with Butler families in that area? Brenda

Could that have been Albert Boertman? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] O'Brien House/Hotel > If anyone knows early Saginaw railroad history, I would appreciate learning > if the name Albert (or Alfred) Boardman has appeared in your research. He > was a switchman but I don't know for which railroad but do know he was a > member of the St. Joseph parish in 1890. > > Tom Mahar > >

Ancestry.com has a railroad retirement board section that might help you . ST. Joes was near the C&O but i think at that time it was the Pere Marquette. My Grandad worked there in those days. Good Luck Janet

If anyone knows early Saginaw railroad history, I would appreciate learning if the name Albert (or Alfred) Boardman has appeared in your research. He was a switchman but I don't know for which railroad but do know he was a member of the St. Joseph parish in 1890. Tom Mahar

Did you get any help on this? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] 1880 Census > I'm wondering if anyone in the Saginaw area can get me a clear copy of a > census. > I found it in Salt Lake and it's blurry and unreadable. I suppose > they're all that way, but I'm hoping not. > > I need the June, 1880, Saginaw County, St. Charles census. On the left > hand side it says Page No.32, Dist. No. 3, Enumeration Dist. No. 20. > The first person on the page is "Fred Myers" with wife, Villia. > > The family I want starts on line 14: William McBETH, wife Savilla, then > step- > children Frank, Jay and Minny Manchester. I would like the information > all the way across if possible. Will gladly pay for someone's time and > trouble. If anyone can help, I would love to hear from you. Thank you > in advance. > > Sue Schroeder > ABQ > >

Hi Jan, Let's play it safe and go for the 35 people. We can always spread out in the park if need be. Let me know when you confirm it and I'll start passing the word. Kevin

Kevin, Was he bridge tender to Court Street or Bristol Street Bridge. I thought it was Bristol Street. I checked with the picnic area and they have one for 35 people and one for 120 people. How many do you think? I can hardly wait! We'll have fun with our families. Love, Jan

Well first of all, I spelled the name wrong . It's the Schuch Hotel . I used to spend a lot of time there , and I have a hat from there that has the date on it . " established in 1868 "

Dear Janet, My grandfather was an engineer on the railroad. He worked for C&O. His name was Jess Moore. He worked until he was 67 and retired in 1967. I'll bet he knew your father. Lots of stories they had right? Do you remember a Walt Laughingwell? Jan

Janet, I remember Wayne. When I knew him, he worked out of the Bay Rd. facility, next to Stardust Lanes. That was perhaps 1967 or so. What has become of him? And, how is it that you know him? Tim

Can anyone help me with a photo of the old Court Street Bridge? Patrick Garvey was a tender in the 1930s-1940s. I believe it was referred to as a "swing" or "pivot" bridge. Patrick Garvey was also the Under-sheriff to Sheriff John Schuch in the late 1930s. Sincerely, Kevin O'Brien Laguna Hills, CA Researching: Dorchester Gauley, Gillie, Lowe, Nelson, Perkins, Shannon, Smith ( Jefferson County, NY),Sundell, Van Schaick, Warner...

I lived in the area until 1955 ninth and wadsworth but had a few friends on potter. Granville's shoestore was there and a few small grocerie stores. my Dad worked for the C&O Railroad and there offices were in the old railroad depot. Tim did you happen to know Wayne Ostrander? Janet

The 1877 Saginaw County Atlas shows the O'Brien Hotel located on the se corner of Potter St. and N. Washington. Directly to the east of the O'Brien is the Gilbert Hotel and behind it are large horse stables. To the west and south on that same corner is a vacant lot owned by an M. O'Brien. Other lodging in that area included the National Hotel, the Irving House. I recall reading that at one time there were many, many saloons up and down Potter St. (nice way to greet the arrivals to town). Someone can prove me in error, but I seem to recall it was over 50. By the time I worked in the area for Mi.Bell in the 60s, there were still 10 or 15, mostly run down, but still open. Tim Naples, FL

Janet, Think it was Potter Street. It was East of the river. Brenda

Where was the railroad station? On potter street? Or the one that was on genessee ? JANET

Does anyone know history of the O'Brien House/Hotel in Saginaw during approx 1870's. It was located across from the railroad station. Thanks. Brenda

Kevin, Great synopsis. And, I want to hear about the card game sometime, too. I believe we traded messages a few months ago regarding possible Perkins connections, but didn't find a common denominator. You indicate that you are researching Lowe among others. I have a Katherine Kilbourn Stark marrying a Mr. Lowe, but no other real details. Mrs. Lowe died in California along with the rest of her family. I would guess that the marriage occurred sometime between 1918 and 1930, based upon her age. Does this coincide with your Lowe family? Tim Stark Naples, FL