Marsha (Mort) went with my brother Ken Streeter

Thank you Marilyn Ruth.... Star ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] RAILROAD Genealogy INFO > In a message dated 5/29/01 8:14:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > http://www.rrb.gov/accessrrbgov/g90c.htm > > > > More specifically: http://www.rrb.gov/geneal.html > > Here are <A HREF="http://www.rrb.gov/geneal2.html">suggestions</A> for research before 1937. > The U.S. Railroad Retirement Board administers a Federal retirement benefit > program covering the nation's railroad workers. The records it maintains > deal primarily with the administration and payment of these benefits. The > Board will provide information from its records on deceased persons for the > purpose of genealogical research. However, it will not release information > on persons who are still living without the written consent of that person. > Effective October 1, 2000, the fee for searching our records increased to $21 > for each employee on whom records are requested. The fee is payable before > any search is attempted. It is not refundable, even if we are unable to > locate the information requested or if the file has been destroyed. Your > check or money order should be made payable to the Railroad Retirement Board, > and sent to the Office of Public Affairs, Railroad Retirement Board, 844 > North Rush Street, Chicago, Illinois 60611-2092. > The Railroad Retirement Board, like the Social Security Administration, was > not established until the mid-1930's, and it began maintaining its own > records of all covered rail service in 1937. Therefore, the Board's service > records are limited to individuals who worked in the rail industry after > 1936. If a person was not actually working for a railroad after 1936, he or > she would not be listed in these records. Nor would the Board generally > have any pertinent records of persons whose rail service was performed on a > casual basis and/or was of short duration. Also, the Board's records are only > on persons whose employers were covered under the Railroad Retirement Act. > Employers such as street, interurban, or suburban electric railways are not > covered under this Act. > The Board's records are kept by the railroad employee's social security > number and a person's social security number often appears on his or her > death certificate. In some cases, if that number is not available, having the > employee's full name, including middle name or initial, and complete dates of > birth and death may be of some help in determining whether we have any > records of that person. However, in dealing with relatively common surnames, > it is usually not possible to make a positive identification without the > employee's social security number. (Here is a <A HREF="http://www.rrb.gov/#Death Index">good source</A> for SSA numbers.) > Requests for genealogical information should be sent directly to: > U.S. Railroad Retirement Board > Office of Public Affairs > 844 North Rush Street > Chicago, Illinois 60611-2092. > Generally, the Board requires at least 30-60 days to reply to genealogical > inquiries. > > >

In a message dated 5/29/01 8:14:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > http://www.rrb.gov/accessrrbgov/g90c.htm > More specifically: http://www.rrb.gov/geneal.html Here are <A HREF="http://www.rrb.gov/geneal2.html">suggestions</A> for research before 1937. The U.S. Railroad Retirement Board administers a Federal retirement benefit program covering the nation's railroad workers.  The records it maintains deal primarily with the administration and payment of these benefits.  The Board will provide information from its records on deceased persons for the purpose of genealogical research.  However, it will not release information on persons who are still living without the written consent of that person. Effective October 1, 2000, the fee for searching our records increased to $21 for each employee  on whom records are requested.  The fee is payable before any search is attempted. It is not refundable, even if we are unable to locate the information requested or if the file has been destroyed.  Your check or money order should be made payable to the Railroad Retirement Board, and sent to the Office of Public Affairs, Railroad Retirement Board, 844 North Rush Street, Chicago, Illinois 60611-2092. The Railroad Retirement Board, like the Social Security Administration, was not established until the mid-1930's, and it began maintaining its own records of all covered rail service in 1937. Therefore, the Board's service records are  limited to individuals who worked in the rail industry after 1936. If a person was not actually working for a railroad after 1936, he or she would not be listed in these records.   Nor would the Board generally have any pertinent records of persons whose rail service was performed on a casual basis and/or was of short duration. Also, the Board's records are only on persons whose employers were covered under the Railroad Retirement Act. Employers such as street, interurban, or suburban electric railways are not covered under this Act. The Board's records are kept by the railroad employee's social security number and a person's social security number often appears on his or her death certificate. In some cases, if that number is not available, having the employee's full name, including middle name or initial, and complete dates of birth and death may be of some help in determining whether we have any records of that person. However, in dealing with relatively common surnames, it is usually not possible to make a positive identification without the employee's social security number. (Here is a <A HREF="http://www.rrb.gov/#Death Index">good source</A> for SSA numbers.) Requests for genealogical information should be sent directly to: U.S. Railroad Retirement Board Office of Public Affairs 844 North Rush Street Chicago, Illinois 60611-2092. Generally, the Board requires at least 30-60 days to reply to genealogical inquiries.

Hi Jan,' I went for a search on the book you mentioned. Here is what I found. Details: 6.25" x 9.25" Tall 0923568182 Copyright 1991. 181 pages including index. Tight copy with rubbing on dust jacket. Red boards with black title lettering on spine. Book description--Against a backdrop of excitement and depravity, Frankie Howe came to the Saginaws in 1879 as an innocent, vulnerable fourtheen year old. Seduced by the glittering, empty promises of the nortorious Warren Bordwell, within days she entered a life of prostitution, pain and eventual despair in the infamous Bordwell Opera House. Publisher: Wilderness Adventure Books Place of Publication: Fowlerville, Michigan Date of Publication: 1991 Edition: First Edition Binding: Hard Cover Condition: As New/Good Keywords: Michigan, History, Saginaw, Bordwell, Opera, House Looks like it was Bordwell not Boertman. Sounds like that person wasn't very nice anyway.LOL Thanks anyway. I might get the book just to learn more about Saginaw. Star ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Re:Boertman > I think there was a BOERTMAN who was the main character in the book by Stuart > GROSS, FRANKIE AND THE BARON. Are you aware of that? I'll have to check my > records on that. It is a true story that took place in the mid 1800's. > Jan Johnson > >

Hi Jan, WOW !! your kidding. I have never heard of that .. That would be a wonderful find. Please let me know what you find out. My oringinal Boertman, Carl Adolph Eduard Boertmann came to the USA in 1850 so the timing is about right. Please let me know what you find out. Star ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Re:Boertman > I think there was a BOERTMAN who was the main character in the book by Stuart > GROSS, FRANKIE AND THE BARON. Are you aware of that? I'll have to check my > records on that. It is a true story that took place in the mid 1800's. > Jan Johnson > >

Hi Jan, I have never lived in Saginaw. So I don't remeber Jess Moore..Sorry. Star ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Re: MISAGINA-D Digest V01 #85 > Do you remember a Jess MOORE who was an engineer on the railroad there? > Jan Johnson > >

Do you remember a Jess MOORE who was an engineer on the railroad there? Jan Johnson

I think there was a BOERTMAN who was the main character in the book by Stuart GROSS, FRANKIE AND THE BARON. Are you aware of that? I'll have to check my records on that. It is a true story that took place in the mid 1800's. Jan Johnson

Hi Richard. Did you know his parents names? I really don't have a lot of information on the Saginaw Boertmans after the 1920 Census. My Boertmans moved to Ludington with the rail road. Any information is greatly apprecated. Star Davan nee Boertman Mid Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Re: MISAGINA-D Digest V01 #85 > Hello - > > I knew a Jon Boertman at Saginaw H. S. (ca 1953-1956). If anyone knew of same, > pls advise. > > Richard Fry > > ______ > > Star wrote: > > > Hello Jerry, > > Do you know if there is any way to get ahold of the employment records for > > the rail road.. I know this is a relative because I can trace all of the > > Boertman's back to one Immigrant couple. > > Thanks for any help you may have. > > Star > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:50 PM > > Subject: [MISAGINA] Re: MISAGINA-D Digest V01 #85 > > > > > When I was a junior (44-45) and senior (45-46) in high school, I worked > > > winter weekends for the Pere Marquette Railroad in the round house off 6th > > > St. There was a Boertman as foreman but that is all I remember of his > > name. > > > Jerry Stevens > >

Thanks Janet I will give it a try. Star ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] RAILROAD INFO > Star, Try this site. > http://www.rrb.gov/accessrrbgov/g90c.htm > JANET > > >

Star, Try this site. http://www.rrb.gov/accessrrbgov/g90c.htm JANET

I mean Lewis...lol sorry lol Boertman Louise was his sister... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] Re: MISAGINA-D Digest V01 #85 > When I was a junior (44-45) and senior (45-46) in high school, I worked > winter weekends for the Pere Marquette Railroad in the round house off 6th > St. There was a Boertman as foreman but that is all I remember of his name. > Jerry Stevens > >

Maybe a Louise Boertman? ----- Original Message ----- > When I was a junior (44-45) and senior (45-46) in high school, I worked > winter weekends for the Pere Marquette Railroad in the round house off 6th > St. There was a Boertman as foreman but that is all I remember of his name. > Jerry Stevens > >

Hello Jerry, Do you know if there is any way to get ahold of the employment records for the rail road.. I know this is a relative because I can trace all of the Boertman's back to one Immigrant couple. Thanks for any help you may have. Star ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] Re: MISAGINA-D Digest V01 #85 > When I was a junior (44-45) and senior (45-46) in high school, I worked > winter weekends for the Pere Marquette Railroad in the round house off 6th > St. There was a Boertman as foreman but that is all I remember of his name. > Jerry Stevens > >

Hello - I knew a Jon Boertman at Saginaw H. S. (ca 1953-1956). If anyone knew of same, pls advise. Richard Fry ______ Star wrote: > Hello Jerry, > Do you know if there is any way to get ahold of the employment records for > the rail road.. I know this is a relative because I can trace all of the > Boertman's back to one Immigrant couple. > Thanks for any help you may have. > Star > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:50 PM > Subject: [MISAGINA] Re: MISAGINA-D Digest V01 #85 > > > When I was a junior (44-45) and senior (45-46) in high school, I worked > > winter weekends for the Pere Marquette Railroad in the round house off 6th > > St. There was a Boertman as foreman but that is all I remember of his > name. > > Jerry Stevens

When I was a junior (44-45) and senior (45-46) in high school, I worked winter weekends for the Pere Marquette Railroad in the round house off 6th St. There was a Boertman as foreman but that is all I remember of his name. Jerry Stevens

Forwarded from Quaker-Roots-L: Have you heard?? The LDS are releasing an extracted form (not scans of the originals) of the US 1880 Census on June 1 in a 56-CD set (35 of data, 20 of index, and 1 viewer) for $49.00!! Check with http://familysearch.org for ordering instructions. It contains 50.5 milliion names, twice the number on the Ellis Island Records, and covers all "38 states, 8 territories, excluding only the Indian Territory of present-day Oklahoma" then in the Union. "It is a fully extracted record, with every name indexed." "The 1880 U.S. Census is the most complete database published by the Church to date and contains each individual's full name, relationship to head of the house, age, gender, race, marital status, occupation, birthplace, and the birthplace of the individual's parents.... "[A] powerful search engine is included with the CD that makes it possible to find a person through 'bits and pieces' and 'wild card' searches. Bits and pieces means each category can be in a search. A wild card search is where one or more letters, such as the easily mistaken r, y and v can be replaced by an asterisk. The census also allows viewing of neighboring families." The 1881 Canadian Census is currently extracted and is being processed for finalization, date of release not known yet, but will be "soon." --DESERET NEWS LDS CHURCH NEWS, May 26, 2001, p. 5, Col. 1. Feel free to copy to others, as long as you retain the source info at the bottom of the article. Nancy in Utah "I collect cousins" http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~roney [email protected] Another person posted: I have heard that it will be on backorder until late summer, though. My local Gen Society purchased it (among other CDs) at the NGS Conference in Portland OR a couple of weeks ago.

Thank you Tom, ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] O'Brien House/Hotel > Star - will keep your e-mail as a reminder in the event I encounter Boertmans > that may be of interest to you. > > Tom > >

Star - will keep your e-mail as a reminder in the event I encounter Boertmans that may be of interest to you. Tom

Hello Tom, I was hoping we had made a connection but My Albert Boertman was born in Detroit of German Immigrant parents. He and a lot of other Boertmans worked for the rail road though. If you run across the name will you be so kind as to let me know? Thanks.!! Star ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] O'Brien House/Hotel > The name Albert Boertman is a possibility. All that is known of him is that > he immigrated from Canada and worked for the "railroad" in Saginaw. He > married Josephine Findley who was born October 2, 1861. The couple had three > children, Minnie, Flora, and Joseph. > > Tom Mahar > >