Gayle, On these mid-1800 ancestors, it is usually helpful to know their religion, as those records always give the parents names. What religion was your ROBINSON? Carolyn

Edward ROBINSON, born 1858 possibly in Saginaw, Michigan. Parents unknown. Siblings unknown. Married Belle KENAN MCCRONE Nov. 7, 1885 in Berrien County, Michigan. Edward ROBINSON may also be known as John E. ROBINSON. I have found his name listed both ways in various census and marriage records located online. He died sometime before 1928, as his wife's death record lists her as a widow. A record found at the LDS site shows Ed Robinson born in Saginaw, but the 1900 Berrien County census lists him as Edward J. ROBINSON, born in Canada, with his parents born in Ireland. A birth record of his son sent to me shows him as John E. ROBINSON, born in Michigan, and lists his occupation as farmer. So ,I have conflicting information as to his actual name, and his actual place of birth, as well as no parents or siblings. So, the first thing I am looking for is some type of record that shows him actually born in Saginaw. Does someone have access to that type of info, or know where I might locate that type of record? I'm hoping that once I figure out where he was actually born, I can work back from there. Thank you. Gayle

Subject: How To Write A Successful Query The Internet has many sources for you to submit queries to mailing lists and query boards, however the information you receive from others will largely depend on how well you communicate with others..... in other words writing a clear and concise query. Which of the queries below do you think would get a better response? (A) Looking for information on John McCarthy and wife Mary Hogan McCarthy. Supposedly came from Tipperary, came to NY. (B) John McCARTHY and wife Mary HOGAN McCarthy emigrated to Brooklyn NY c. 1850-1860. Family story is they came from Clonmel area of Tipperary/Waterford. They had a son John Henry born in NY area between 1856-1861, he married Mary Ellen GOUGH in Brooklyn in 1886. Mary Ellen was from Clonmel. Witnesses to the marriage were Patrick and Ellen HOGAN. Family story is that these families lived near each other in Clonmel area. Am interested in finding other McCarthy's and Hogans in the Clonmel area. If you answered (B) you are correct! Example A did not tell enough about the family to allow others to know what the person wanted. Also, "Looking for information" is just about the worst thing you can say in a genealogy query... WHAT information are you looking for? Be specific! I see people who write this in queries all the time, who get replies from people who are trying to be helpful, but who then get upset because "I already knew that" or "that's not what I was looking for". Example B told what I knew, where I got the information, and what I wanted to find out. It was also brief, included enough info, but not every detail of their lives. If anyone is interested enough to contact you, further details can be given to them privately. The 3 basic things a good query should cover are: (1) Tell us what you know -- that includes what you have searched, where you got your information from, dates, locations. This way people won't tell you to search a certain census or other resource if you have already done so. (2) Tell us what you don't know -- I don't know his parents names, I don't know when he came to the US, I don't know if he was naturalized. (3) Tell us what you WANT to know -- otherwise it's just a stab in the dark. Probably the worst thing you can say is "looking for information on...". WHAT information? Be specific, do you want to know how to get naturalization papers for them, how to find them on a ship list, how to find their parents? Here are some other hints... **Use your subject line wisely. Put surnames and locations in subject lines. Especially on large lists, and in digest form, many people only scan the subject line. Putting something like "Help" in a subject line probably won't get you much of it. **Put surnames in all caps in subject lines and the first time you write them in the body of a query. **Don't write in all caps. Besides being bad netiquette, its hard to read. **Don't write in all lower case either! **Separate information into paragraphs. Don't send one big blob of information and expect people to sift through it. The neater it is the more likely someone will read it. **Sending too much information is as bad as sending too little. Don't send your entire gedcom file in an email. Don't write the entire history of your family in an email. Just pick one aspect and deal with one thing at a time. **Don't get "cutesy" with adding smiley faces and exclamation marks. **Think of writing a query or an e-mail as a letter to someone you don't know. First impressions, even in emails, count! Good Luck

Hi again I did forward your email to my daughter's friend and I will send her this one also. Don't know why she has not responded. I came across the following article today at the library. I was a book of the front pages of memorable days of the Bay City Times. Date: 28 Oct 1929 It was an article of the ceremony of the opening of River Road as it connected Bay City and Saginaw. At the ceremony, they had a ribbon cutting dedication. The man for the Saginaw side was a Mr. Harry J. Tierney. His grandchildren held the ribbon. Their names were: Jimmie Pearsall (5 yrs old) and Patricia Slattery (4 yrs old). I thought you would find this interesting. If the Bay City Times had this small article, then I'm sure the Saginaw News did too. Would you like me to look it up next time I go to Hoyt Library in Saginaw? Shelly

Hi to all I\m still looking for Tierney's of Saginaw Thomas Tierney born March/01/1873 London Ontario Canada he came to Saginaw 1898 He was a member of the St. Mary's Cathedral Parish, Knights of Columbus (Saginaw Lodge No. 47, B.P.O.E.) Operated a loan and estate brokerage office at 210 South Washington. I believe he married a Mary ? also believe they were divorce before 1920 He had one child that I know of Helen Tierney born October 1903 Saginaw Helen Tierney died August/14/1980 Saginaw Michigan Thomas Tierney died April/03/1958 Saginaw in his obit it had Surviving are one daughter Miss Helen H. Tierney Saginaw, two nieces Mrs. Roy Piersell or Purcell and Mrs Matthew (Marion Tierney ) Slattery, both of Bay City. Marion (Tierney) Slattery parents were Henry J. ( Harry ) Tierney b. 1870 London Ont. and Teresa ? b. 1875 MI Matthew Slattery parents were Mikel b. 1865 Ireland and Sarah (?) Slattery b. 1860 Canada Know nothing abt Mrs. Roy Piersell Both Thomas and Helen are buried at MT. OLIVET CEMETERY in Saginaw Where would this Mt. Olivet Cemetery be and is there any on-line records of Mt. Olivet Cemetery. (Would like find if other Tierney are buried there) Also would any one be connected to any the above names or any Tierney's in Saginaw or Bay City area. Any help will be mist welcome. Please e-mail Mary at mgazo@sympatico.ca

Sue, Couldn't help but notice the Castanier name. Are you any relation to the Castanier's of Bay City? Specifically, Benjamin and his wife, Mary Christina? Mary Christina was my gg aunt on my mother's side. Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: <MISAGINA-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <MISAGINA-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:04 AM Subject: MISAGINA-D Digest V02 #201

I may have to put a pause in adding to the site for 3 weeks. My laptop croaked. I do have a PC and I am trying to get everything loaded onto it so I can continue. In the meantime I have reviewed the cemetery list for Saginaw Co. Thank you to all the suggestions of cemeteries to photograph. Below you will find a list of Cemeteries and the status of which ones are complete. If you know of anymore cemeteries please let me know. The list is broken into townships. Carolyn Albee East Pinegrove West Pinegrove St. Mary's Darling Cemetery Birch Run Birch Run Twp Hammond Cem Pierce Cem Blumfield Jansen Cem Done Blumfield Twp St. Johannis Cem Frankentrost East Lawn St. Elizabeth's Trinity Lutheran Brady Catholic Cem Griffus Cem Done Oak Grove Cem Ridge Rd Cem Brant Brant Cem Done Bridgeport Pinegrove Done OakGrove Done Olive Branch Methodist Done BVM Assumption Done Mt. Olivet Partial Buena Vista Buena Vista Twp Done Carrolton Bethlehem Lutheran Chapin Fenmore Rd Cemetery Chesaning Mt. Calvary Cem Wildwood Cem Frankenmuth Bethel Lutheran Frankenmuth Twp Compau Cem St. Lorenze Lutheran St. John Lutheran Cem Freeland West Side Cemetery Fremont Fremont Cemtery Pettis Burial Plot St. John Luth St. John Lutheran Cem James James Twp Cem Jonesfield Jonesfield Plott Kochville Kochville Methodist Cem United Methodist Cem Lakefield Lakefield Twp Sacred Heart Cem Maple Grove Maple Grove Cem St. Michaels Cem Marion Marion Twp Cem Scared Heart Cem St. John's Lutheran Cem St. Thereasa Mission Marion Springs Cem Richland Richland Luth Cem Richland Twp Cem St. Mary's Cem Bethlehem Lutheran Saginaw Forest Lawn Brady Hill Calvary Done Saginaw Twp Bethlehem Lutheran Holy Cross St. Andrews Roselawn Oakwood McCarthy Bacon Swarthout Pine Hill Hebrew Poor Farm Catholic Cem Shattuck Family Braley Family Spaulding Spaulding Cem Done St. Charles Indiantown cem Riverside Done St. Marys Done Swan Creek Garfield 1 Garfield 2 Taymouth Taymouth Twp Done Cook Wheaton (Indian) Cemetery Done Thomas Twp Owen Cem Tittabawassee Family Plot on River Rd Freeland Cem Jacquith-Wickham Cemetery Pinegrove Vasold Cem Westside Cem Chapel Hill --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

I have added a section called "We Pay Honor to Our Veterans". These veterans are the names taken from this list for Veterans Day. I have added some information on the ones that have given me some extra info about their veteran. If they earned a special medal such as a purple heart a photo of the medal and a history of the medal was added. Also a new section called "Saginaw County Census". http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evansandobertein/saginaw.htm Good Luck Carolyn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD

I have been working with some of the sextons in the Gratiot county to get the graves and burial records updated, and chalk is the only thing they allow on the grave stones. It is softer than the stones so will not damage, and organic. It washes off during the next rain. They ask that nothing else be used to read stones to bring out the letters. Pat > Carolyn, Are using chalk on the graves? The chalk might damage the > tombstones. Aren't you just going to graves and just taking pictures of them? > Since you using digital cameras you can change the images at home. You > shouldn't put anything on the graves. The pictures would probably look find > if you go to the grave and just take the picture. > > Thank you for the Radde family grave pictures in the pictures for at > Riverside Cemetery in St. Charles. I am looking for where Joseph Brown/Braun > d. 1914 and his wife Sophia d. 1919 are buried. They lived in Swan Creek in > 1910 with Henry Radde and Christina. They didn't die in Tuscola, Huron or > Genesee Counties. > > > Allan Campbell > > ______________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.413 / Virus Database: 232 - Release Date: 07 November 2002

I will keep taking veterans information all week for the site. I believe they deserve more than one day. Ronald Ray Carlton <rcarlton@flash.net> wrote:Here are mine: My grandfather, John D. Duguid, S/Sgt, WWII My great-great grandfather John G. Dellamater, Civil War My great-great-great-great grandfather, Captain Caleb Carlton, Revolutionary War My great-great-great-great grandfather, Roderick Wells, War of 1812 Ron Carlton Dallas, Texas --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD

To Elizabeth (granijeanm30) A small cemetery is near Melbourn near the railroad tracks in Zilwaukee More information might be available from the clerks office. Zilwaukee Township Clerk 7600 Melbourne Rd. Saginaw, MI  48604 Signed Susan Warner In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:58:48 PM, granijeanm30@gtlakes.com writes: > Subj: Re: [MISAGINA] Cemeteries in St Charles area > Date: 11/11/2002 6:58:48 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:granijeanm30@gtlakes.com">granijeanm30@gtlakes.com</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Hello Susan Warner: > Would you know if there were ever any cemeteries located > in Zilwaukee Township of Saginaw County, including the > present City of Zilwaukee? > Thanks for all your contributions to the Saginaw Co maillist. > Elizabeth > Harbor Springs MI >

Hello Susan Warner: Would you know if there were ever any cemeteries located in Zilwaukee Township of Saginaw County, including the present City of Zilwaukee? Thanks for all your contributions to the Saginaw Co maillist. Elizabeth Harbor Springs MI -----Original Message----- From: SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> To: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com <MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: [MISAGINA] Cemeteries in St Charles area >Dear Carolyn: > >In reply to your request for information regarding cemeteries in the St. >Charles area of Saginaw County, the following cemeteries are missing from >your list. > >ST. CHARLES TOWNSHIP >Indiantown Cemetery is located on a sandy ridge of Section 23 north of Fergus >Road and west of Turner Road. Burials at this site were investigated in 1962 >and were found to be wooden boxes nailed with square cut nails. Evidence of a >wool blanket was found in one case. A ten inch stone crudely cut with "N. >Brown, Nov. 14, 1841" was found at this site. > >FREMONT TOWNSHIP >Pettis Burial Plot is located on the NE corner of Spencer and Rauchholtz >roads. Members of the Pettis family were buried on this homestead. Family >members report that "discarded grave markers were placed on the graves to >mark the sites but they do not properly identify the occupants." > >BRADY TOWNSHIP >Catholic Cemetery is a privately owned cemetery located in the village of >Oakley. It is about 3 acres in size. >The St. Michael Catholic Church in Oakley was founded in 1875 and is located >at 509 Parshall St, Oakley 48649-0075. >Phone: (517) 845-3545, Fax (517) 845-5499 > >I hope this information is helpful to your research. > >Susan Warner > >replying to this e-mail >Subj: [MISAGINA] Saginaw Co., Michigan Photographs website >Date: 11/10/2002 7:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: <A HREF="mailto:carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com">carolinsaginaw@yahoo.com</A> >To: <A HREF="mailto:MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com">MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com</A> >Hi list, >I want to be sure I have all the cemeteries in the St. Charles area on my >list. Below is a list of cemeteries I know of. Could everyone look at the >list and let me know if there are any to add. We are photographing all >cemeteries even small private cemeteries. So if you know of any more please >let me know. >St. Charles area: Riverside, St. Charles Township Cemetery and St. Mary's >Cemetery. >Chesaning area: Wildwood and Mt. Calvary >Fremont Township area: Fremont Cemetery and St. John Lutheran >Lakefield Township area: Lakefield and Sacred Heart Cemetery >Brant Township Area: Brant Township Cemetery >Brady Township Area: Griffus, Ridgeroad and Oak Grove >Any help or input would be appreciated! Still looking for more volunteers to >photograph cemeteries and churches! Also looking for any old maps of Saginaw >Co. Townships. If you have any you would like to contribute to the site >please email me. >Thank you >Carolyn > >

Hi all Yes, the Saginaw County Court House Register of Deeds Dept has Platt books that you can look through. There are about 3 computer terminals set up to do research also. I found my great great grandparents farmland in Saginaw through those books! The big Platt book is in better shape than the one at Hoyt Library. Shelly

Good idea, Carolyn. Someone did this last year, too, on one of the lists. Wish we would have thought of it earlier. Here are the Veterans I'd like to honor: My husband, Kenneth G. Schroeder, MAJ, USA, Ret, VietNam My father, Charles R. Castanier, CPT, USA, WWII (The Big One) My cousin, Gary A. Castanier, USMC My mother's great uncle, Burton F. Morehouse, USN, Spanish-American War (That's it for my side. Most of my family is from Canada, tho I have others who fought in the Revolutionary War.) My husband has one ancestor who was a U.S Veteran: Benjamin F. Gage, USA, fought with Gen. Custer in the Civil War. None of our kids served, but they're "Army Brats" and proud of it. God Bless America. Sue Castanier Schroeder ABQ

Here are mine: My grandfather, John D. Duguid, S/Sgt, WWII My great-great grandfather John G. Dellamater, Civil War My great-great-great-great grandfather, Captain Caleb Carlton, Revolutionary War My great-great-great-great grandfather, Roderick Wells, War of 1812 Ron Carlton Dallas, Texas

This is Veterans Day. I am so thankful for our Veterans that gave me the life I have today. Without these men and women leaving their loved ones behind to protect my freedom I may not have had the chance for the life I have today. We could be living under the flag of a communist country or a Saddam Husan (sp) or Bin Laden. Please list your veterans you would like to honor today. I will dedicate a special page to the people you list on the Saginaw Co. Photographs page. If you would like to have their picture added also. Please email it to me. The veterans I am honored to be related to are: My husband, Wayne Oran Obertein - Vietnam My father, Robert Morris Evans - WWII My brother Robert Morris Evans Jr. - Vietnam My father-in-law Oran Pearl Obertein - WWII My bothers-in-law Warren Harold Myrick and Chester Dinsmore - US Army My Uncles William Richard Foor Sr. - US Army and Albert Dale Foor US Marines My grandfather Fredrick Morris Evans - WWI My gr gr grandfather Brazella Foor - Civil War My husbands gr gr grandfather John Baptist Obertein - Civil War My gr uncle Albert Dupraw --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD

Thank you for the great article. Carolyn --- Jerolyn@aol.com wrote: > Carolyn, > I have been following the Cemetery Photograph > Project and commend you > and your team for the photographs. Until I saw the > remarks today about the > quantity of chalk being used and at least one > concern, I hadn't thought about > the materials other than the digital cameras that > were being used. > At a Genealogy meeting of the Manasota > Genealogy Group in Bradenton > Florida, we heard a speaker on photographing and > preserving gravestones: Do's > and Don'ts. Attached is a link (followed by the > URL) of an association in > Massachusetts that has been dedicated to these > issues since 1977, with 1200 > members worldwide. Here are some of their Do's and > Don'ts, but with a > project of the size you are undertaking, I think it > would be time well spent > to read their articles and educate your team. > > * Don't use detergents, soaps, vinegar, bleach, > or any other cleaning > solutions on the stone, no matter how mild! > * Don't use shaving cream, chalk, graphite, > dirt, or other concoctions in > an attempt to read worn inscriptions. Using a large > mirror to direct bright > sunlight diagonally across the face of a gravemarker > casts shadows in > indentations and makes inscriptions more visible. > * Don't use stiff-bristled or wire brushes, > putty knives, nail files, or > any metal object to clean or to remove lichen from > the stone; Soft natural > bristled brushes, whisk brooms, or wooden sticks are > usually OK if used > gently and carefully > * Don't attempt to remove stubborn lichen. Soft > lichen may be thoroughly > soaked with plain water and then loosened with a gum > eraser or a wooden > popsicle stick. Be gentle. Stop if lichen does not > come off easily. > * Don't use spray adhesives, scotch tape, or > duct tape. Use masking tape. > > > <A > HREF="http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm#Review">Click > here: The Association for Gravestone Studies - > FAQ</A> > > URL: http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm > > Carolyn in Florida > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2

Carolyn, I have been following the Cemetery Photograph Project and commend you and your team for the photographs. Until I saw the remarks today about the quantity of chalk being used and at least one concern, I hadn't thought about the materials other than the digital cameras that were being used. At a Genealogy meeting of the Manasota Genealogy Group in Bradenton Florida, we heard a speaker on photographing and preserving gravestones: Do's and Don'ts. Attached is a link (followed by the URL) of an association in Massachusetts that has been dedicated to these issues since 1977, with 1200 members worldwide. Here are some of their Do's and Don'ts, but with a project of the size you are undertaking, I think it would be time well spent to read their articles and educate your team. * Don't use detergents, soaps, vinegar, bleach, or any other cleaning solutions on the stone, no matter how mild! * Don't use shaving cream, chalk, graphite, dirt, or other concoctions in an attempt to read worn inscriptions. Using a large mirror to direct bright sunlight diagonally across the face of a gravemarker casts shadows in indentations and makes inscriptions more visible. * Don't use stiff-bristled or wire brushes, putty knives, nail files, or any metal object to clean or to remove lichen from the stone; Soft natural bristled brushes, whisk brooms, or wooden sticks are usually OK if used gently and carefully * Don't attempt to remove stubborn lichen. Soft lichen may be thoroughly soaked with plain water and then loosened with a gum eraser or a wooden popsicle stick. Be gentle. Stop if lichen does not come off easily. * Don't use spray adhesives, scotch tape, or duct tape. Use masking tape. <A HREF="http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm#Review">Click here: The Association for Gravestone Studies - FAQ</A> URL: http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm Carolyn in Florida

Quite some time ago you mentioned about checking on my Jenni Myrtle McCrory Whipple. I just wanted to let you know that a fellow genealogist located her Arenac Co. for me. Thanks anyhow. If you have any photos of St. Charles you would like to share or other information please email me. I do have a few postcards from early 1900's. My gr grandfather owned the livery in St. Charles. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Saja423@aol.com> To: <MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Saginaw Co., Michigan Photographs website > Hi > > Garfield Cemetery located on M-52 just a few miles outside of St. Charles, MI > I believe it is officially located in Swan Creek Twp. Russell Rappley of > St. Charles is the sexton. Many of my St. Charles ancestors as well as other > St. Charles and Swan Creek Twp former residents are interred there. > > sincerely, > Shelly > >

Thank you. That is where my mom, grandparents and uncle are buried. I had it mistakenly in St. Charles since it was just outside St. Charles. Sue Crowder Kissel Prescott AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Saja423@aol.com To: MISAGINA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [MISAGINA] Saginaw Co., Michigan Photographs website Hi Garfield Cemetery located on M-52 just a few miles outside of St. Charles, MI I believe it is officially located in Swan Creek Twp. Russell Rappley of St. Charles is the sexton. Many of my St. Charles ancestors as well as other St. Charles and Swan Creek Twp former residents are interred there. sincerely, Shelly