The Herman DETERS you ask about is my granduncle. He was the fifth of 10 children born in Newaygo County, Michigan, to Jan Hindrik DETERS (b. 1 June 1854, Alte Piccarde, Grafschaft Bentheim, Hanover) and Gese (Grace) PLESCHER (b. 19 June 1858 in Osterwald, Grafschaft Bentheim, Hanover). Jan Hindrik DETERS was the son of Jan Harm DETERS and Janna KAMPS. Gese PLESCHER was the daughter of Hindrik PLESCHER (or PLESSCHER) and Jenne ZWEIRS. Lots of information about the DETERS family, including several more generations of ancestors, is available at the website of Frank Laurens and Judith Kleine-Deters: http://www.gironet.nl/home/lpck/Engels/index.htm Frank also recently published an excellent book entitled "My Name is Deters, Kleine-Deters." It is available from Frank in both Dutch and English. Gordon Tans Anchorage, Alaska ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ottawa Co., Michigan Genealogy] Re: [MIOTTAWA-L] Deters > In your Deters line have you come across a Herman Deters 1/1/92 married > to an Anna Cook 3/23/95 married 3/11/19. Children Harvey > J,,,,Howard....Gordon ????? This family started out in Zeeland and ended > up in Fremont. >

Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/710 Surname: Hutty, Squier ------------------------- Chris, Thank-you so much there was lots of new information. I do not have much information on my father's family, so this will be most helpful. Sue Hinton

Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/709 Surname: ------------------------- Marriage record: Fredric A. Hutty, residing Grand Haven, 28 years old, born in Canada, druggist, and Birdie M. Squier, residing Grand Haven, 22 years old, born in Michigan - married 27 October 1886 in Grand Haven, by Theodore J. Knapp, pastor St. John Ch., witnesses: Thos. A. Parish and Chas. K. Esler, both of Grand Haven. [Ottawa County, Michigan, Marriage Records, book 6, page 62] There is a Squier family listed in the 1870 census for the city of Grand Haven: Squier, Heber 48 seafaring b. NY Marenda 44 kpg house b. NY Anna 25 b. NY Susan 23 b. NY Heber 20 b. NY Miranda 3 b. MI Penkwel(?), Mary 19 b. Germany Perhaps the "M." in Birdie's marriage record stands for Miranda. Just a guess. Obituary from the Holland newspaper: "Former Postmaster of Grand Haven Is Dead" - Word was received here today of the death of Frank A. Hutty, aged 58, at Mayo hospital, Rochester, Minn., following an operation for cancer. Mr. Hutty was born in Canada but had lived here for many years. He was postmaster in Grand Haven for 16 years and a prominent Republican politician. He is survived by a widow and four children. Mr. Hutty was one of the campaign managers for Mr. Diekema last fall. [Holland Daily Sentinel, Tuesday, June 19, 1917, page 1]

In your Deters line have you come across a Herman Deters 1/1/92 married to an Anna Cook 3/23/95 married 3/11/19. Children Harvey J,,,,Howard....Gordon ????? This family started out in Zeeland and ended up in Fremont.

Ardis, There is much information available on the Deters anscestry from Frank Laurens at http://www.gironet.nl/home/lpck/Engels/index.htm In addition to his website, he recently published an excellent book on the Deters family entitled "My Name Is Deters, Kleine-Deters." It is available in both Dutch and English. I believe you have correctly identified Jan Herm Deters and Janna Kamps as the ancestral parents, and from the Frank Laurens works you will be able to trace the lineage several generations farther back. Gordon Tans Anchorage, Alaska ----- Original Message ----- From: Ardis J. Pierce <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:21 PM Subject: [MIOTTAWA-L] Deters > Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/700 > > Surname: Deters, Kamps, Morsink, Lambers, Jonkers > ------------------------- > > Deters - Laura Deters b 13 Nov 1900 East Saugatuck, Allegan, MI d 12 Mar > 1988 Grand Haven, Ottawa, MI married to Jasper J. Stykstra b 13 May 1898 > d 20 Dec 1952. Her parents were: Hendrik Deters b 10 Jun 1870 Fillmore > Twp., Allegan, MI d 28 May 1935 Holland, Ottawa, MI his wife: Gezina Kamps > b 24 Aug 1869 Fillmore Twp., Allegan, MI d 13 Dec 1945; Hendrik "Henry" > Deters' parents were Jan Hendrik Deters b 12 Dec 1840 d 5 Sep 1923 Fillmore > Twp., Allegan, MI and he married Alyda H. Morsink b 15 Jun 1842 Germany > d 18 Nov 1913 Fillmore Twp., Allegan, MI. I would like to comfirm his parents' > names which I think are Jan Herm Deters b 10 Mar 1803 NL d 13 Nov 1835 > and wife: married 13 Nov 1835 to Janna Kamps b ca 1820 NL. Do you have > anything on this branch of Deters? > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > For a comprehensive index of Genealogical Mailing Lists Hosted by Rootsweb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/index.html > GenConnect USA Visitors Center: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/usaindex.html > GenConnect Global Surname Search: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi?search >

> Please keep me on your list. Thanks. No need to reply .... but I am so glad somebody wants to stay on the list <grin>. There is a robot which sends me an e-mail when a message doesn't go to the intended recipient, I then use the robot's message to identify who has changed e-mail addresses, and the such, then I delete anyone who doesn't have a current/valid e-mail address. It is time consuming, but necessary. Terri Rene

Please keep me on your list. Thanks. Ellen

Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/706 Surname: SCHOENMAKER, HABERS ------------------------- Looking for any info. about ALBERT SCHOENMAKER b. 5-29-1849 in NL and d. 3-11-1909 West Olive & buried Olive Cemetery under name of Schoemaker. Charter member & elder of the Harlem Reform Church. Married HENDRIKA HABERS b. 7-20-1858 Dalen NL and d. 4-08-1905 & buried Olive Cemetery.

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Posted on: Ottawa Co. MI Bible Forum - Copies of Bible Records Pertaining to Ottawa Co., MI Families Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/OttawaBibl/11 Surname: Tietz ------------------------- The Tietz's came to the U.S. in latter half of the 1800's (50 to 85 I belive ) It is reported that William settled in Ottawa Co,s Grand Haven. I would like to know any history available on this family.William had two known brothers who also came over about that time. George ,I no nothing about/ . August my Great Grand Father lived in Fulton Co. Ohio with his 2nd wife Margret Rodenbeck (my G.GM.).His first wife was Marie Arnoltsch. Any help or info greatly welcomed! Thank You ! Dennis L.Kent

Hello, At some point this weekend the server we use was hacked into and ALL e-mail intended for the Macatawa Net was "returned to sender" ... If anyone sent anything specifically directed to me/us (Terri Rene & Brian), please DO re-send it ... Otherwise, at some point I will look through mailing list archives for *stuff* I've missed. Our server's administrator thinks someone attempted to use the MacNet to send *objectionable* material .... I sincerely hope no one who corresponds with us is a recipient <sigh>. Terri Rene DaVar-Howard PS I apologize for duplicates ....

Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/705 Surname: DeKraker ------------------------- Ottawa Co Clerk Office in Grand Haven, Mi

Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/703 Surname: De Kraker, Romeijn, Ver Schure, Rot, Root, Larion, Wharfield, Smithers ------------------------- Hi Does anyone on the List know where I can get a death record for someone who died in Ottawa County in 1872? I am looking for the death record for Sara De Kraker Ver Schure. She was married to Adrian Ver Schure of Holland, MI and I would like to verify that she is from my Line. A marriage record would help too but have not been able to find either of them after throughly searching the resources at Herrick This couple had a son named Isaac Romeijn Ver Schure

Regarding the posting for Matthews Family....In searching my McCLURE/McCLUER family I have the following Matthews ELMER R. MATTHEWS b. 1878 Alpine Twp., d. 1956 Marne, Ottawa Co. son of ABRAHAM H. MATTHEWS and ADDIE PINCKNEY. In 1899 Elmer married Nellie McClure b. 1879 Wright Twp., Ottawa Co., d. Dec.19, 1931 daughter of Orrin McClure & Hannah Bartram(?). I know of 3 children for Elmer and Nellie............Lester, Walter & Lucille, but have not details on any of them. Does this possibly tie in with your Matthews??? Kim ([email protected])

Heather, There is for sure at least one DRUMMOND family here in Holland (Ottawa). I am currently living in a house that we bought from a DRUMMOND (it was her maiden name) and my daughter is a good friend with the daughter to the above mentioned DRUMMOND's sister. They are a large Roman Catholic family. There are 3 DRUMMOND's in the current Holland phone book. I know one is a brother to the above sister's. I know of 3 sister's & one brother. I have a good friend that went to school with them and would remember all their names. There were about 8 or 10 altogether and, as I recall, they lived in a huge "landmark" type home here that is now in our historic district. Contact me off list. I will see if they know who their grandparents / G grandparents , etc. were. -- Shelly Arnold <[email protected]> Home Page: <http://www.macatawa.org/~rsarnold/> Family History page: <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rsarnold/>

Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/701 Surname: VanderVere, Vanderveer, Vanderveere, Vandervier, DeGlopper, DeHass, Curtis, Young, Purdy, Phelan ------------------------- Am looking for ANY decendants of any Vandervere's from Ottawa Co. MI. Henry Vandervere married Nellie Young and they had 5 children that I know of. Peter (MaryAnn Semple) of Muskegon, Capt. T. Vandervere and C. Vandervere of Grand HAven, alive as of Feb. 1899, and 2 daughters, Mrs. M. DeGlopper of Grand Haven, and Mrs. John DeHass of Muskegon, also alive as of Feb. 1899. Peter and MaryAnn had 4 children, all born in Ottawa Co. I believe, Ralph(Robert?), Henry, Nellie, married a Curtis of Chicago, and Alice, married a Purdy. All those kids except Nellie moved on to Muskegon.The rest of my info involves Muskegon. Has anyone any info on these Vandervere's of Ottawa and their decendants? Am willing to share ALL info I have! Thanks so much! Joyce VanderVere [email protected]

I have no information on Deters family. Sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Ardis J. Pierce <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:25 AM Subject: [MIOTTAWA-L] Deters >Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum >Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/700 > >Surname: Deters, Kamps, Morsink, Lambers, Jonkers >------------------------- > >Deters - Laura Deters b 13 Nov 1900 East Saugatuck, Allegan, MI d 12 Mar >1988 Grand Haven, Ottawa, MI married to Jasper J. Stykstra b 13 May 1898 >d 20 Dec 1952. Her parents were: Hendrik Deters b 10 Jun 1870 Fillmore >Twp., Allegan, MI d 28 May 1935 Holland, Ottawa, MI his wife: Gezina Kamps >b 24 Aug 1869 Fillmore Twp., Allegan, MI d 13 Dec 1945; Hendrik "Henry" >Deters' parents were Jan Hendrik Deters b 12 Dec 1840 d 5 Sep 1923 Fillmore >Twp., Allegan, MI and he married Alyda H. Morsink b 15 Jun 1842 Germany >d 18 Nov 1913 Fillmore Twp., Allegan, MI. I would like to comfirm his parents' >names which I think are Jan Herm Deters b 10 Mar 1803 NL d 13 Nov 1835 >and wife: married 13 Nov 1835 to Janna Kamps b ca 1820 NL. Do you have >anything on this branch of Deters? > > >==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== >For a comprehensive index of Genealogical Mailing Lists Hosted by Rootsweb: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/index.html >GenConnect USA Visitors Center: >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/usaindex.html >GenConnect Global Surname Search: >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi?search > >

-----Original Message----- From: KRAMER550 [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [MIOTTAWA-L] LEGGAT / AVERY / CHRISTMAS - Grand Haven Area Yes. How we doing, Fred Kramer of Fort Wayne. -----Original Message----- From: Jan Cox [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MIOTTAWA-L] LEGGAT / AVERY / CHRISTMAS - Grand Haven Area On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:54:35 -0400 "Brian & Terri Rene (DaVar) Howard" <[email protected]> writes: > Anyone interested in a Roll Call? > > If *YES* then please "reply" to this e-mail, > add your surnames in the subject line, > and list your most frustrating *brickwall* ancestors with any > known dates, places, siblings, spouses, children ... > > > If *NO* then please use your delete button. > > There are several new members on this list .... perhaps it > will encourage them to post something if they see the rest of > us interacting & sharing <grin>. > > Terri Rene DaVar-Howard > List Moderator > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > 1. Please remember to cite your sources > and give credit where credit is due. > 2. ROOTSWEB has made available an interactive search engine > for messages posted in the Mailing Lists. Ours is located at: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/Mi/Ottawa/index.cgi > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > 3. The Ottawa County Mi. Query Forum is located at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/Mi/Ottawa/index.cgi > 4. Roots Surname List, including 351,475+ surnames > submitted by 48,637+ researchers, can be searched at RootsWeb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe to this list, send an e-mail message to: [email protected] for individual messages) In the subject line & body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) 3 April 1998 ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== The RootsWeb Threaded Mailing List archives <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/MIOTTAWA-L>

Posted on: Ottawa Co., Michigan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mi/Ottawa/700 Surname: Deters, Kamps, Morsink, Lambers, Jonkers ------------------------- Deters - Laura Deters b 13 Nov 1900 East Saugatuck, Allegan, MI d 12 Mar 1988 Grand Haven, Ottawa, MI married to Jasper J. Stykstra b 13 May 1898 d 20 Dec 1952. Her parents were: Hendrik Deters b 10 Jun 1870 Fillmore Twp., Allegan, MI d 28 May 1935 Holland, Ottawa, MI his wife: Gezina Kamps b 24 Aug 1869 Fillmore Twp., Allegan, MI d 13 Dec 1945; Hendrik "Henry" Deters' parents were Jan Hendrik Deters b 12 Dec 1840 d 5 Sep 1923 Fillmore Twp., Allegan, MI and he married Alyda H. Morsink b 15 Jun 1842 Germany d 18 Nov 1913 Fillmore Twp., Allegan, MI. I would like to comfirm his parents' names which I think are Jan Herm Deters b 10 Mar 1803 NL d 13 Nov 1835 and wife: married 13 Nov 1835 to Janna Kamps b ca 1820 NL. Do you have anything on this branch of Deters?

KRAMER550 wrote: > Yes. How we doing, Fred Kramer of Fort Wayne. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Cox [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MIOTTAWA-L] LEGGAT / AVERY / CHRISTMAS - Grand Haven Area > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:54:35 -0400 "Brian & Terri Rene (DaVar) Howard" > <[email protected]> writes: > > Anyone interested in a Roll Call? > > > > If *YES* then please "reply" to this e-mail, > > add your surnames in the subject line, > > and list your most frustrating *brickwall* ancestors with any > > known dates, places, siblings, spouses, children ... > > > > > > If *NO* then please use your delete button. > > > > There are several new members on this list .... perhaps it > > will encourage them to post something if they see the rest of > > us interacting & sharing <grin>. > > > > Terri Rene DaVar-Howard > > List Moderator > > > > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > > 1. Please remember to cite your sources > > and give credit where credit is due. > > 2. ROOTSWEB has made available an interactive search engine > > for messages posted in the Mailing Lists. Ours is located at: > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/Mi/Ottawa/index.cgi > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > 3. The Ottawa County Mi. Query Forum is located at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/Mi/Ottawa/index.cgi > > 4. Roots Surname List, including 351,475+ surnames > > submitted by 48,637+ researchers, can be searched at RootsWeb: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe to this list, > send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] for individual messages) > In the subject line & body include only one word: > unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > 3 April 1998 > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > The RootsWeb Threaded Mailing List archives > <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/MIOTTAWA-L>