Contact Howard Knickerbocker at the below address. Good Luck. Diane HowardK758@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: marcher51@sbcglobal.net [mailto:marcher51@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:28 AM To: MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOtt'wa] re: Charles Lutz Diane, Yes, please send me the web address for the Knickerbocker site. Thanks, Marc Archer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Preiser" <jepdmp@bellatlantic.net> To: <MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: RE: [MIOtt'wa] re: Charles Lutz > I have no information directly on Lutz and Knickerbocker but did you > know there is a very large, active on-line Knickerbocker Family > Association? If you are interested, I can give you their address. > Diane Fleisher Preiser > > -----Original Message----- > From: marcher51@sbcglobal.net [mailto:marcher51@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:03 PM > To: MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MIOtt'wa] re: Charles Lutz > > > Searching for info about the Charles Lutz who m. Lottie Knickerbocker > in Ottawa Co. Lottie was b. abt. 1860's, dau. of Cyrenius > Knickerbocker. > > Thanks, > > Marc Archer in Flint, MI > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > Your List Admin is here to help with List problems but not research. > Aid with that is better put to the List. Chances are someone has "Been > there! Done that!" before. So why are you waiting? Send a message now. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Ottawa County, Michigan. If you have a > problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact > Kathleen off-list at Administration@KathleensKorner.net. Thanks. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== ~~ The List's GOLDEN RULE ~~ Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it clean & cool. Treat others as you want them to treat you...Positively *NO* selling! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Diane, Yes, please send me the web address for the Knickerbocker site. Thanks, Marc Archer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Preiser" <jepdmp@bellatlantic.net> To: <MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: RE: [MIOtt'wa] re: Charles Lutz > I have no information directly on Lutz and Knickerbocker but did you > know there is a very large, active on-line Knickerbocker Family > Association? If you are interested, I can give you their address. > Diane Fleisher Preiser > > -----Original Message----- > From: marcher51@sbcglobal.net [mailto:marcher51@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:03 PM > To: MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MIOtt'wa] re: Charles Lutz > > > Searching for info about the Charles Lutz who m. Lottie Knickerbocker in > Ottawa Co. Lottie was b. abt. 1860's, dau. of Cyrenius Knickerbocker. > > Thanks, > > Marc Archer in Flint, MI > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > Your List Admin is here to help with List problems but not research. Aid > with that is better put to the List. Chances are someone has "Been > there! Done that!" before. So why are you waiting? Send a message now. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Ottawa County, Michigan. If you > have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please > contact Kathleen off-list at Administration@KathleensKorner.net. Thanks. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have no information directly on Lutz and Knickerbocker but did you know there is a very large, active on-line Knickerbocker Family Association? If you are interested, I can give you their address. Diane Fleisher Preiser -----Original Message----- From: marcher51@sbcglobal.net [mailto:marcher51@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:03 PM To: MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIOtt'wa] re: Charles Lutz Searching for info about the Charles Lutz who m. Lottie Knickerbocker in Ottawa Co. Lottie was b. abt. 1860's, dau. of Cyrenius Knickerbocker. Thanks, Marc Archer in Flint, MI ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== Your List Admin is here to help with List problems but not research. Aid with that is better put to the List. Chances are someone has "Been there! Done that!" before. So why are you waiting? Send a message now. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Wow- that's awesome! So these buildings are no longer standing? Thanks for sending the link! Lena > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:07:13 -0400 > From: "Chris Penning" <chrispenning@charter.net> > To: MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MIOtt'wa] WEST Michigan Furniture > Company > > Here is a postcard image of the factory.... > > http://www.chrispenning.dreamhost.com/4images/details.php?image_id=1 > > A Sanborn insurance map from 1925 shows the factory > located on the northwest > corner of West 7th and Mill, in Holland. This would > be two blocks north and > a little west of where the Civic Center is now. The > company is still listed > in the city directory up to at least 1984. I'm not > sure what is in that > location now. > > Chris Penning __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Searching for info about the Charles Lutz who m. Lottie Knickerbocker in Ottawa Co. Lottie was b. abt. 1860's, dau. of Cyrenius Knickerbocker. Thanks, Marc Archer in Flint, MI

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Nuismer Pippel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CIB.2ACI/454.3 Message Board Post: Just curious- my mom had a cousin James Rosema, who worked in a bank in Grand Haven. Is this the same James?

According to a newspaper index the company dates back to at least 1890. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Carlson" <gostraka@yahoo.com> To: <MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: [MIOtt'wa] WEST Michigan Furniture Company > Slight error in my last e-mail :) > The desk was made by the WEST Michigan Furniture > Company, not the East! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > ~~ SUBJECT LINES ~~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Here is a postcard image of the factory.... http://www.chrispenning.dreamhost.com/4images/details.php?image_id=1 A Sanborn insurance map from 1925 shows the factory located on the northwest corner of West 7th and Mill, in Holland. This would be two blocks north and a little west of where the Civic Center is now. The company is still listed in the city directory up to at least 1984. I'm not sure what is in that location now. Chris Penning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Carlson" <gostraka@yahoo.com> To: <MIOTTAWA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: [MIOtt'wa] WEST Michigan Furniture Company > Slight error in my last e-mail :) > The desk was made by the WEST Michigan Furniture > Company, not the East! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > ==== MIOTTAWA Mailing List ==== > ~~ SUBJECT LINES ~~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Slight error in my last e-mail :) The desk was made by the WEST Michigan Furniture Company, not the East! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

I recently bought an old desk that has a metal tag inside one of the drawers saying it was made by East Michigan Furniture Company in Holland, Michigan. I looked on the internet for information on this company and wasn't able to find anything. Is there anyone out there who knows anything about this company? Thanks! Lena __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CIB.2ACI/454.1.1 Message Board Post: I did find out the info I needed! Thomas Rosema was originally Tonnis Rosema from Grootegast, The Netherlands (province of Groningen). His date of birth was April 15, 1869. He emigrated to the US with his brother Geert (Gerritt). His half-brother Nanco Rosema had emigrated previously.

Searching for family data for the three daus. of Joseph T. MORRISON and his wife Samantha KNICKERBOCKER. They were Lucy b. abt. 1838, m. James CHILSON; Olive m. Filch or Lyman HILL, and Addie b. abt. 1841 m. Isaac DEVRIES. Thanks, Marc Archer in Flint, MI

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Deegan, Degan, Lamp Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CIB.2ACI/1201 Message Board Post: Is anyone able to lookup marriage or death records? I'm looking for: Marriage Record for Nicholas Lamp and a wife Bridget (unk last name), married about 1875 or 1876. In 1876 Nicholas would have been 24, and Bridget 20. In 1880 they lived in Grand Haven, Ottawa Co. Death Record for: Bridget Lamp died between 1880 and 1886. More likely earlier than later, as Nicholas remarried around 1885 or 1886. Marriage Record for: Nicholas Lamp married Mary Deegan/Degan around 1885 or 1886, either in Ottawa Co. or Kent Co., as that's where Mary was from. Any info on that marriage would also help. I don't have access to the 1885 state census to see if Bridget was still alive then, or if Nicholas and Mary had married yet. Thanks in advance for any help!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CIB.2ACI/1200 Message Board Post: Is anyone able to lookup marriage or death records? I'm looking for: Marriage Record for Nicholas Lamp and a wife Bridget (unk last name), married about 1875 or 1876. In 1876 Nicholas would have been 24, and Bridget 20. In 1880 they lived in Grand Haven, Ottawa Co. Death Record for: Bridget Lamp died between 1880 and 1886. More likely earlier than later, as Nicholas remarried around 1885 or 1886. Marriage Record for: Nicholas Lamp married Mary Deegan/Degan around 1885 or 1886, either in Ottawa Co. or Kent Co., as that's where Mary was from. Any info on that marriage would also help. I don't have access to the 1885 state census to see if Bridget was still alive then, or if Nicholas and Mary had married yet. Thanks in advance for any help!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CIB.2ACI/1199 Message Board Post: I haven't seen his death certificate. I am not sure when he was born or passed. I am not even sure about Nellie. I only know when Nellie married Embert and where they are buried. I was searching census papers hoping I can figure out about when he passed.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CIB.2ACI/1198.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Have you seen Gerrit's or Fannie's death certificate to see who their parents were? Do you know if Gerrit and Fannie married in the States or in the Netherlands?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CIB.2ACI/1198.1.1 Message Board Post: I have no idea when Gerrit and Fannie were married. I know when Nellie and Embert Grooters married. 4-16-1902. I am having such a problem with this family. I am sure once I break the case I will see it all clear. Thanks for the info Maria

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CIB.2ACI/1198.1 Message Board Post: In the Netherlands the name is usually spelled Kruithof, but it also appears as Kruijthof. The latter would most likely be spelled Kruythof in the States. I see 8 Gerrit Kruithof grooms (none with alternate spellings) in the Netherlands in the 1800s, but none whose brides look like their names would become Fannie in the States. But perhaps Gerrit and Fannie married here in the States. You didn't mention any dates.

We maintain the Michigan Marriage Index Database that has the following records: GOMMERT - KRUITHOF m SENA - BROEKHUIS in ALLEGAN cty 00 XXX 1896 STELLA - KRUITHOF m LUKAS ALBERT VREDEVELD in ALLEGAN cty 30 MAR 1921 GERTIE - SCHOENMAKER m WILLIAM - KRUITHOFF in OTTAWA cty 09 APR 1909 nschoen@chartermi.net Any family connection? If so, we would like to add your email address to the record as a reference for other researchers. Jack & Marianne Dibean - Lansing Michigan Marriage Index Links: http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/dibeanindex/ GenWeb Archives: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/marriages/michigan/michigan.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CIB.2ACI/1198 Message Board Post: I am looking for info on my great great grandma's family. Her name was Nellie Kruithoff. In one census the last name is spelt Kruithof and another it is spelt Kruythof. Her fathers name was Gerit and her mom's name was Fannie. Nellie married Embert Grooters. Nellie and her parents lived in Jamestown township. The name Katjie was also on the census. ANY info on this family would be great thanks Maria