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I remember back in the 1950's - 60's, there was a newspaper called "The North-End News" and was published by the "Highland Parker" in Highland Park. I believe they published about 5 or 6 different local editions of newspapers, weekly or bi-weekly. I think the "Highland Parker" is now extinct. I also do not know of a cemetery in Hazel Park. Best regards, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niceta Milner" <NICETA@COMCAST.NET> To: <MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Fw: news paper > The Royal Oak Daily Tribune is the suburban paper, otherwise the Detroit > News or Free Press. There is at least one funeral home, > Hopcroft on John R, and as far as I know, there is no cemetery in Hazel > Park. Go to Google and enter Hazel Park, MI, and check with the library for > more details. > Niceta > > > > > Can some one tell me what News Paper is the most news for Hazel Park?Or > > do > > > they have their own news paper ?And is there a Funeral home in Hazel > Park > > > ?Also is there a Cemetery in Hazel Park? > > > betty > > > > > > > > ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Could someone do a lookup for just a date for marriage license for the following people please. The woman was my grandmother and she married??? a 2nd time briefly (we think). Nettie Jane Harrington and John Dorman They married in Oakland County c 1929/1930 in Pontiac, MI. Since I've been unable to find a divorce for them, I'm wondering if they ever married? He married a 3rd time so hence the question. Thanks? Jan Harrington Williamson VJyizit@aol.com

The Royal Oak Daily Tribune is the suburban paper, otherwise the Detroit News or Free Press. There is at least one funeral home, Hopcroft on John R, and as far as I know, there is no cemetery in Hazel Park. Go to Google and enter Hazel Park, MI, and check with the library for more details. Niceta > > Can some one tell me what News Paper is the most news for Hazel Park?Or > do > > they have their own news paper ?And is there a Funeral home in Hazel Park > > ?Also is there a Cemetery in Hazel Park? > > betty > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "B. J. Sczepanski" <bettys@mindnet.org> To: <MIOAKLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:05 PM Subject: news paper > Can some one tell me what News Paper is the most news for Hazel Park?Or do > they have their own news paper ?And is there a Funeral home in Hazel Park > ?Also is there a Cemetery in Hazel Park? > betty >

Tomorrow a press release will be issued announcing the new service that Oakland County is providing. You can now order Death/Marriage records from OAKLAND COUNTY directly. Not using Vital Check - directly FROM Oakland County. The cost is $15 for the certificate and $5 for the use of the service. Oakland County has raised the cost of certificates - regardless of whether you order them on line or not - they are $15. The link to order on line is: http://www.co.oakland.mi.us/clerkrod/form_application/index.html Hope this helps! Karen (in Oakland County) Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * http://www.nebulacomputers.com (Our son's page!) * Are you a Boomershine descendant? Vol. 2 is now available! Email me for details! Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012

Could someone check the 1920 census for Pontiac, Oakland County, MI for Davis families, white, of child bearing age? I don't know hoh name, but could someone give me an idea how many there were? I am trying to locate my ggrand parents this way. Since I haven't had any luck looking any other way! I would appreciate it ever so much, Allison

Marilyn I checked the Oak Hill Cemetery 1822-1991 book. Two Houghton listed. Baby Boy d. 4/25/1934 Laura J. d. 2/3/1919 Ann New Mexico, USA -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dickerson [mailto:res0iv2w@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:20 PM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIOAKLAN] HOUGHTON -MOUNT HOPE CEMETERY I was wondering if anyone had the address of Mount Hope Cemetery in Pontiac? I am hoping to find the cemetery that my great-grandparents might be buried in. I am looking for a cemetery that James Houghton-died in 1829 and his wife Mary (Polly) Hall -died in 1830. The last information that I have is that they were living in Pontiac. I am trying to find information about where they could be buried. Thank you , Marilyn Dickerson (res0iv2w@verizon.net) ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The address of Mt. Hope Cemetery is: Mt. Hope Catholic Cemetery, 727 Orchard Lake Ave. Pontiac, Mi. The oldest cemetery in Pontiac is Oak Hill Cemetery, University Drive, Pontiac. ;I would think this would be the only cemetery in Pontiac in the 1820's.

Christie, Thank you for the website and for taking the time to share the information about it. Ann in New Mexico

Christie Thanks for the web site of that paper. It certainly sounds like you have spent a considerable amount of time there... and very interesting. I'll check it out. Karin King

Here's the website for the Orion/Lake Orion newspapers that are on-line: <A HREF="http://www.orion.lib.mi.us/idigorion/">http://www.orion.lib.mi.us/idigorion/</A> The earliest paper that I found was one issue each for 1884, 1892, 1909, 1931, 1933. I did find one that was actually 1927 (I think that was the year). It had been dated on the list as being a 1947 paper, but when called up it was not the right year. I also found some confusions with the 1959 papers actually being 2001. There is a list that you can print out that shows what issues they have, but I think it is an on-going list based on what I found when I was using the website. When using the website, if you find something that isn't quite right, or you think it might need fixing, or just want to send some praises, there is an e-mail address that goes directly to an individual at the library. She has responded with thanks to learning about the problems. Keep the tone to professional and you will get a response. I wrote several times with questions about particular issues when I had problems calling them up -- sometimes that happened. I wrote a couple of times when I thought the website was down -- sometimes that happened, but she explained that to make changes or corrections, they had to take the site down "for repairs" so if you are on the site and suddenly you get no response or page won't come up, go on to something else and then come back later on. This website is updated on a daily basis as they post the most recent issues--2003! Hence the reason why the site goes down periodically. Once the website was down, as was explained, due to an electrical storm! Anyway, you can search by just the surname, which will result in hundred's of hits, or by a specific individual name. You need to be creative because the name could be first name and last name, last name only, initials and surname. The women will be listed as their maiden names until they get married, then start searching for her under her husband's name and finally to find the obit, you probably need to use her first name and his last name. It was really interesting, time consuming, but I was very successful. Sometimes I couldn't distinguish between two individuals who had the same name--father-son--for example. You need to look at all the papers to finally figure out which was the father and which was the son. Oh, if you use initials only with the surname, you generally will get just the surname. For some reason it doesn't really recognize the use of initials. You can also search for a phrase. Sometimes articles were carried over to another page, but that page may not have your surname so it won't be one of the issues that is on the list. You need to search on the word "continued on page ___. The page are sometimes written out rather than numbers, so see how it is listed in the article, then search accordingly. You can also search by year as well, or month, but I generally used just the surname to find everyone of that surname unless I got too many hits, then I narrowed it down to a specific person. There is a column in the paper that consistently appears and you will find it really useful--but you will get it anyway when you call up your names and that is "Remember 'Way Back When..." It will print items from the older newspapers that were published, but they don't have, which will give you tidbits about your family--birth, a marriage, a death, a travel trivia notation, who sold what of value, who moved, etc. It is listed in 10 year incriments generally, but sometimes they did 25 and 35 year time periods. So you take the date of the paper and subtract the time period and that will be the time period for when it took place. You can generally use the month and year of the paper for the month and year of the event, but I wouldn't necessarily use the date of the paper for the date of the event because the paper was published weekly and not daily, so the event could have taken place any time during the week. This is a really great website. I could go on for pages! I wish more papers like this one would be put on-line for Michigan and elsewhere. Christie Trapp

Oakland Press is at: http://www.adquest3d.com/obituaries/index.cfm?BRD=982&PAG=509 Only goes back a few years and this is the obit search. A way to find newspapers is to use your favorite search engine and simply type in the name of the newspaper or the name of the city and the word newspaper and hit enter. This has been very successful for me. Karen Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * http://www.nebulacomputers.com (Our son's page!) * Are you a Boomershine descendant? Vol. 2 is now available! Email me for details! Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012 -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons@wayfarer1.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 7:16 AM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Oakland County newspapers Christy, Jean & Karin, Thank you for posting the great research ideas. I too would like the web site for the Orion newspaper. It would be very helpful to me here in New Mexico. If anyone has a web site for Royal Oak newspapers about 1870-1920 or web sites for any Oakland County newspapers 1830 to present, they would be helpful to me. Ann Parsons Alamogordo, NM -----Original Message----- From: Karin King [mailto:105542.2642@compuserve.com] Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:36 PM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Edith C. Davis Christy and Jean Even though I have been doing genealogy for many years, reading your 'beginner's tips' made me realize I had forgotten some of the stuff I should have been utilizing! Thanks for the refresher course! Christy, you mentioned a web site for Orion newspaper... could you share that? Karin King ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Christy, Jean & Karin, Thank you for posting the great research ideas. I too would like the web site for the Orion newspaper. It would be very helpful to me here in New Mexico. If anyone has a web site for Royal Oak newspapers about 1870-1920 or web sites for any Oakland County newspapers 1830 to present, they would be helpful to me. Ann Parsons Alamogordo, NM -----Original Message----- From: Karin King [mailto:105542.2642@compuserve.com] Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:36 PM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Edith C. Davis Christy and Jean Even though I have been doing genealogy for many years, reading your 'beginner's tips' made me realize I had forgotten some of the stuff I should have been utilizing! Thanks for the refresher course! Christy, you mentioned a web site for Orion newspaper... could you share that? Karin King ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Christy and Jean Even though I have been doing genealogy for many years, reading your 'beginner's tips' made me realize I had forgotten some of the stuff I should have been utilizing! Thanks for the refresher course! Christy, you mentioned a web site for Orion newspaper... could you share that? Karin King

I was wondering if anyone had the address of Mount Hope Cemetery in Pontiac? I am hoping to find the cemetery that my great-grandparents might be buried in. I am looking for a cemetery that James Houghton-died in 1829 and his wife Mary (Polly) Hall -died in 1830. The last information that I have is that they were living in Pontiac. I am trying to find information about where they could be buried. Thank you , Marilyn Dickerson (res0iv2w@verizon.net)

In a message dated 5/10/2003 1:02:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, MIOAKLAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > (~Allison~) > Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Edith C Davis > I am new to all this, and believe it or not I cannot find out any info on > my grandmother born Edith C Davis (supposedly in Pontiac, MI) 31 Jan 1921 > married a Everett/Everitt J Williams of Lansing, MI in or around 1937 Edith > died as a Stevens -- 18 Jul 1988 in Durand, MI I am trying to find her > parents names as well as that of Everett's 10 Oct 1915-1 Oct 1964 > (Plainwell, MI) Can anyone help me? Allison > From: "JEAN PAYTON" <jeanpayton@earthlink.net> > Dear Allison: > Well the first thing you need to do is get a birthrecord for your > grandmother. That will tell you who her parents are and where they were > living at the time of her birth. You also need to get a copy of the > marriage record for your grandmother. My first thought would be to contact > Oakland county to see if you can find her birth record. You have a date > that is in favor for you. You will need her death record to proove she had > died. Now once you have that you can check the 1930 census to see if you > can find her. > I found one Edith Davis daughter of Frank G. Davis and wife Harriet M. 09 > years old born Michigan had brothers Richard 13, Gilbert 11, Clifford 7 and > Warren 2 1/2 yrs old. They were living in Detroit in the 1930 Census. Page > 70 b. I don't know for sure whether this is her or not but once you get > her > birth record you will know. > Marriage licenses are on Microfilm through the LDS and you can look them up > yourself. When going to the Family History Centers tell them you want the > marriages records for Michigan beginning about 1938-1950. Since Everett > died in Plainwell, Allegan County you will need to get his death record so > that you know where they were living when he died. So that means she > remarried so you will need to get her death record from Shiawassee County > and that should tell you where she was born and who her parents were if the > person who supplied the info knew of them. > Jean Payton Jean is partially correct regarding the marriage licenses that are on film. the LDS has films of the vital indexes that will list the births, marriages and deaths through 1937-1937. For births and deaths they start roughly 1867, depending on your surname of search and can be sketchy at best for the recording as some people you know for sure that were born in the county but can't locate them in the vitals because someone failed to go to the courthouse to record the events. The marriages start as early as 1827 in some cases--again it can be a hit or miss in the early time periods. However, it should be pointed out that the filming of the actual records STOP about 1919. The index will point you to the book and page with the year of the event between 1920 to 1937. So if you check the index and find your names, you will have to write to the county and pay the appropriate fee to obtain a copy of the record you find. Another method of finding your folks would be to check to see if there are any newspapers either on-line or otherwise for the area where your family resided and go through them to look for the doings and happenings of your family. I just went to the website that has many issues for the town of Orion/Lake Orion. I was amazed at how much information that paper gave within its issues. For the time period you are looking for 1920s, there was so much family information given in those issues that I was able to put whole entire families together without having to resort to census records or looking at the vitals--though I do both anyway. Those early newspapers used to list birth announcements that sometimes included the siblings names as well as the grandparents names for both parents. Death announcements were generally carried on the front page of the newspaper -- not like today where you are relegated to the backpage or an obit page. Nice articles were written that many times included the names of the children and their spouses names and where they were living at the time. The unfortunate thing that I found, but it was overcome later was that a woman lost her identity when she became a married lady. If any articles were written about her as a child, generally she was Miss so-and-so, daughter of xyz or you knew she was a child because she was called Mary Jane Smith, for example. Then when she became married, she was Mrs. John Jones throughout her life until she died, then suddenly she got her first name back in the obit! However, if you followed the entire family in the paper and didn't just concentrate on the single name, sometimes she was mentioned in a siblings marriage announcement by name. Finally, even if someone who was born in the town and eventually moved away, many times they will be mentioned in the paper as coming for visits to family members and their obituary may make the papers "back" home. So just because your family may have moved to another area, also check the former area of residence to see if they periodically came back for visiits to see family and friends. Bottom line, find the early newspapers for your area of interest. Another source of information is the city directories such as those produced by Polk or Coles. Other publishers also printed city directories. Those will give names, addresses, business occupation and sometimes even the employers names. The more recent ones will also publish the phone numbers if they had a phone back then. Don't just look at one, look at all years that are available. You may see movement of the family within the town by the changes in the addresses. When the name disappears, then you can start concluding that a death may have occurred unless you know they moved out of town. Remember though that the daughter you are looking for won't be listed if she is a child, but she will be listed if she becomes independent of her family and maintains her own residence, so watch for other family members at the same time. This applies to sons as well. Hope this helps you do the more recent time frames where the census records are now getting scarce--after 1930s! Remember, we've only got another 8-9 years left to go before we start getting the 1940 census--so don't quit now! Keep searching out those obscure modern records to find your family. Of course - start talking, if you can, to the "old" people in your family. Get them to tell you stories about their family and friends -- what they did as a child, what they remember about the times and events. These little pieces of information will provide you with so many clues about the travels and the residences of your ancestors. My mom is 94 and soon to be 95. She has talked over the years -- whether I was listening at the time is something else -- but it was those little tidbits of information that helped me to find her family and sent me off onto a search into her past and come up with a Mayflower family!! She didn't think she knew all that much, but it helped. The records that I found along the way to back up what she said helped to prove the family connections I have made and found. So don't get discouraged! You will find out what you need to know as you progress. Christie Trapp

Could i get some one to look in the city directory in Hazel Park for Alma & Walter Maahs Mahs , Back from 1960,some one said she died 1940`s OR 1950`s thanks betty

Dear Allison: Well the first thing you need to do is get a birthrecord for your grandmother. That will tell you who her parents are and where they were living at the time of her birth. You also need to get a copy of the marriage record for your grandmother. My first thought would be to contact Oakland county to see if you can find her birth record. You have a date that is in favor for you. You will need her death record to proove she had died. Now once you have that you can check the 1930 census to see if you can find her. I found one Edith Davis daughter of Frank G. Davis and wife Harriet M. 09 years old born Michigan had brothers Richard 13, Gilbert 11, Clifford 7 and Warren 2 1/2 yrs old. They were living in Detroit in the 1930 Census. Page 70 b. I don't know for sure whether this is her or not but once you get her birth record you will know. Marriage licenses are on Microfilm through the LDS and you can look them up yourself. When going to the Family History Centers tell them you want the marriages records for Michigan beginning about 1938-1950. Since Everett died in Plainwell, Allegan County you will need to get his death record so that you know where they were living when he died. So that means she remarried so you will need to get her death record from Shiawassee County and that should tell you where she was born and who her parents were if the person who supplied the info knew of them. Jean Payton ----- Original Message ----- From: "~Allison~" <awjx2@webtv.net> To: <MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Edith C Davis > I am new to all this, and believe it or not I cannot find out any info > on my grandmother > born Edith C Davis (supposedly in Pontiac, MI) 31 Jan 1921 > married a Everett/Everitt J Williams of Lansing, MI in or around 1937 > Edith died as a Stevens -- 18 Jul 1988 in Durand, MI > I am trying to find her parents names as well as that of Everett's 10 > Oct 1915-1 Oct 1964 (Plainwell, MI) Can anyone help me? > Allison > > > ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am new to all this, and believe it or not I cannot find out any info on my grandmother born Edith C Davis (supposedly in Pontiac, MI) 31 Jan 1921 married a Everett/Everitt J Williams of Lansing, MI in or around 1937 Edith died as a Stevens -- 18 Jul 1988 in Durand, MI I am trying to find her parents names as well as that of Everett's 10 Oct 1915-1 Oct 1964 (Plainwell, MI) Can anyone help me? Allison