Rose, Probably your inquirer has in mind Addison Township, Oakland County, Michigan. The highest section number would be 36. An archaic term for Township was Town of. Referring to the book "The Addison Album" Barbara D. Stafford author; page 8 map "Addison Township Original Government Land Entries" I see Benjamin McGregor 1832, David Tanner 1831 & 1837, Moses Snover 1833, Aristorchus Willey 1831, Aristerchus Willey 1853. The print is quite small and this is what the spelling seems to be. The index has Artistorchus Willey. Page 5 "1831 saw the east half of section 36, one hundred and sixty acres, purchased by Artistorchus Willey and David Tanner." Hope this helps, Ann Alamogordo, NM USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosie C To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Town of Addison Hi members of MI Oakland, Someone has asked me to locate info about residents of Sec. 86, Town of Addison, Oakland Co., MI. for the year 1833. Can anyone suggest how I can do this? Was there an Addison...was it renamed or become part of another city in Oakland County? All help appreciated..thank you in advance! Rose in Oakland County --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi members of MI Oakland, Someone has asked me to locate info about residents of Sec. 86, Town of Addison, Oakland Co., MI. for the year 1833. Can anyone suggest how I can do this? Was there an Addison...was it renamed or become part of another city in Oakland County? All help appreciated..thank you in advance! Rose in Oakland County --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Hi, all! Thanks, everyone, for all the input about how to get records from the State mental institutions! I've gotten lots of good ideas for follow-up. Mary --- PCorona10@aol.com wrote: > Ann, Mary, et al- > > In the 1980's I was allowed access to the records at > the Ionia State Mental > Hospital for a particular surname. > I do not have the correspondence that I initiated > but I think I wrote to the > MI. State Dept. of Health in Lansing and inquired > about the procedure. They > answered my inquiry & then sent a letter granting me > permission to view the > records. I went to Lansing with the letter in hand > & it may have been the MI. > State Library or the Archives bldg. I just don't > recall now. Upon showing them > the letter of permission they brought a book to me > with a list of patients > with the surname I was researching. > None of the info. fit the criteria for the person I > was interested in but if > I had found that person on the list they then would > have given me access to > the records. > You might write or call Lansing & make an inquiry > about obtaining the > records. > > Hope this is helpful. > Pat Corona in Glen Ellyn, DuPage Co. IL. > > > ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at > Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Changed my email wanted to make sure the unsub & resub with new address works okay. Thanks. Karen Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * Surname list owner for Boomershine & Ligon surnames Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012

Ann, Mary, et al- In the 1980's I was allowed access to the records at the Ionia State Mental Hospital for a particular surname. I do not have the correspondence that I initiated but I think I wrote to the MI. State Dept. of Health in Lansing and inquired about the procedure. They answered my inquiry & then sent a letter granting me permission to view the records. I went to Lansing with the letter in hand & it may have been the MI. State Library or the Archives bldg. I just don't recall now. Upon showing them the letter of permission they brought a book to me with a list of patients with the surname I was researching. None of the info. fit the criteria for the person I was interested in but if I had found that person on the list they then would have given me access to the records. You might write or call Lansing & make an inquiry about obtaining the records. Hope this is helpful. Pat Corona in Glen Ellyn, DuPage Co. IL.

Pat, Thank you. Ann Parsons Alamogordo, NM USA ----- Original Message ----- From: PCorona10@aol.com To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Mental Hospital Records Ann, Mary, et al- In the 1980's I was allowed access to the records at the Ionia State Mental Hospital for a particular surname. I do not have the correspondence that I initiated but I think I wrote to the MI. State Dept. of Health in Lansing and inquired about the procedure. They answered my inquiry & then sent a letter granting me permission to view the records. I went to Lansing with the letter in hand & it may have been the MI. State Library or the Archives bldg. I just don't recall now. Upon showing them the letter of permission they brought a book to me with a list of patients with the surname I was researching. None of the info. fit the criteria for the person I was interested in but if I had found that person on the list they then would have given me access to the records. You might write or call Lansing & make an inquiry about obtaining the records. Hope this is helpful. Pat Corona in Glen Ellyn, DuPage Co. IL. ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks, Ann, for your help and, yes, in 1850 Stephen does live next to Elbridge in Macomb Co. I'll contact you off list to go over details. Lorelei -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 5:37 PM To: Lorelei@kennedy-rockwell.com; MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Lockwood HI Lorelei, Nellie's father Henry is brother to the Harriet we have been writing about. Their sister Frances is my husband's grandmother. Their parents were Elbridge and Maria (Blanchard) Lockwood. How Stephen connects I have yet to learn. Just from memory, it seems the Stephen family lived near the Elbridge family in Sterling Township, Macomb County. I like to share what I have learned, to me that is what this hobby/addiction is all about, helping & sharing. If you want contact me off list. Ann Parsons Alamogordo NM USA aparsons2003@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorelei F. Rockwell To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Lockwood I noticed Ann Parsons mentioned 'other Lockwood researchers.' Since I've recently become a Lockwood researcher myself, I wonder if anyone is researching Stephen Lockwood [bc 1795, d aft Jun 1880, age 84] and Dinah Unknown. Their children were Remember, Levi, Lucy, Chauncey, Myron D, Martha, Allen, and Augusta. I have some good info to share from a Civil War Pension file of Martha Lockwood's 1st husband John B Newton. Also looking for info on Nellie May Lockwood, b 28 Jul 1881. She md William Marsac. Nellie's father was Henry Lockwood. Regards, Lorelei in CA -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:49 AM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Karen, Good to hear from you. Looks doubtful I would be allowed access to the records She is my husband's great aunt. The Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac did not have a copy of an obituary for Harriet. I never searched further. I was always curious how an age 61 woman who died 9 Sept 1913 could have been accidentally asphyxiated. Maybe gas fumes or ???? It was suggested I check at the Oakland County Courthouse for coroner's inquest. This sounds reasonable. If she died without medical attendance one would think their would have been an inquest. I will do this next time I am in Michigan unless I can get one of other Lockwood researchers to do it for me. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. Thank you, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Krugman To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Actually the records are at the Michigan State Archives in Lansing. Same basic building, just different branch. Since these records have to do with medical records, they may not allow you access. You may have to prove relationship or go thru an attorney to gain access. Have you looked for an obituary on her? The State Archives USED to do free lookups but in the near future they are going to $15 per lookup. As of this writing they are sending back your money if nothing is found, how long that will continue is unknown to me. Karen Krugman Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * Surname list owner for Boomershine & Ligon surnames Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012 -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:13 PM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Mary, The death of Harriet Lockwood Johnston/Johnson is listed as died at the Pontiac State Hospital Sep. 1913 at age 61 of accidental asphyxiation. Thinking it odd that a person age 61 cause of death would be accidental asphyxiation. I inquired at the Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac if they had a record of people dying at the Michigan State Hospital (mental), Leslie said that info would be at the Michigan State Library in Lansing. She also said that they often wouldn't give out any info in the case of the insane. If you should learn how to obtain the records, would you let me know? This cause of death has me curious. Regards, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: mlh To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Hi! Does anyone know if there would still be records from the Pontiac State Hospital from the 1930s? I'd like to get info on someone that was in that institution for a mental health problem - don't know if the hospital was strictly a mental institution, or general hospital, too..... >From what I understand, she was in the Pontiac State Hospital, and then transferred to St. Mary's Hospital in Detroit, Wayne Co, where she died June 7, 1935. Her name is Nellie PRENTICE HOLMES LEWIS. Would love any info that anyone can share. Thanks very much!!!! Mary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Is it possible that this could also have been from CO poisoning at night ? A heater backed up ? Fireplace.? Just a thot. BEST to all Steve sspunk@aol.com

Good thought. I will take another look at the Oakland County Death Index LDS Film as see if there were several deaths about September 9, 1913 from accidental asphyxiation in Pontiac. Ann Alamogordo, NM USA ----- Original Message ----- From: SSpunk@aol.com To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:19 AM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Re:Accidental etc State Hospital Is it possible that this could also have been from CO poisoning at night ? A heater backed up ? Fireplace.? Just a thot. BEST to all Steve sspunk@aol.com ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

HI Lorelei, Nellie's father Henry is brother to the Harriet we have been writing about. Their sister Frances is my husband's grandmother. Their parents were Elbridge and Maria (Blanchard) Lockwood. How Stephen connects I have yet to learn. Just from memory, it seems the Stephen family lived near the Elbridge family in Sterling Township, Macomb County. I like to share what I have learned, to me that is what this hobby/addiction is all about, helping & sharing. If you want contact me off list. Ann Parsons Alamogordo NM USA aparsons2003@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorelei F. Rockwell To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Lockwood I noticed Ann Parsons mentioned 'other Lockwood researchers.' Since I've recently become a Lockwood researcher myself, I wonder if anyone is researching Stephen Lockwood [bc 1795, d aft Jun 1880, age 84] and Dinah Unknown. Their children were Remember, Levi, Lucy, Chauncey, Myron D, Martha, Allen, and Augusta. I have some good info to share from a Civil War Pension file of Martha Lockwood's 1st husband John B Newton. Also looking for info on Nellie May Lockwood, b 28 Jul 1881. She md William Marsac. Nellie's father was Henry Lockwood. Regards, Lorelei in CA -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:49 AM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Karen, Good to hear from you. Looks doubtful I would be allowed access to the records She is my husband's great aunt. The Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac did not have a copy of an obituary for Harriet. I never searched further. I was always curious how an age 61 woman who died 9 Sept 1913 could have been accidentally asphyxiated. Maybe gas fumes or ???? It was suggested I check at the Oakland County Courthouse for coroner's inquest. This sounds reasonable. If she died without medical attendance one would think their would have been an inquest. I will do this next time I am in Michigan unless I can get one of other Lockwood researchers to do it for me. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. Thank you, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Krugman To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Actually the records are at the Michigan State Archives in Lansing. Same basic building, just different branch. Since these records have to do with medical records, they may not allow you access. You may have to prove relationship or go thru an attorney to gain access. Have you looked for an obituary on her? The State Archives USED to do free lookups but in the near future they are going to $15 per lookup. As of this writing they are sending back your money if nothing is found, how long that will continue is unknown to me. Karen Krugman Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * Surname list owner for Boomershine & Ligon surnames Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012 -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:13 PM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Mary, The death of Harriet Lockwood Johnston/Johnson is listed as died at the Pontiac State Hospital Sep. 1913 at age 61 of accidental asphyxiation. Thinking it odd that a person age 61 cause of death would be accidental asphyxiation. I inquired at the Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac if they had a record of people dying at the Michigan State Hospital (mental), Leslie said that info would be at the Michigan State Library in Lansing. She also said that they often wouldn't give out any info in the case of the insane. If you should learn how to obtain the records, would you let me know? This cause of death has me curious. Regards, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: mlh To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Hi! Does anyone know if there would still be records from the Pontiac State Hospital from the 1930s? I'd like to get info on someone that was in that institution for a mental health problem - don't know if the hospital was strictly a mental institution, or general hospital, too..... >From what I understand, she was in the Pontiac State Hospital, and then transferred to St. Mary's Hospital in Detroit, Wayne Co, where she died June 7, 1935. Her name is Nellie PRENTICE HOLMES LEWIS. Would love any info that anyone can share. Thanks very much!!!! Mary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Hello Ann, Karen, et al; I think that sometimes things that happened a hundred years ago or so went unexplained, especially when it came to the mentally infirm. It is entirely possible that there was no obit, due in part to the 'scandal' and 'stigma' that would be attached to the family by the obit itself. Very few upstanding families would want it to be commonly known that there was something 'wrong' with the family, so to speak. To a lessor extent, we have, in the recent past, done some of the same things. IE. I remember that as a kid, if a woman was pregnant, that 'pregnant' wouldn't be said outloud, especially if the woman was unwed. It would be said in a whispered "She's 'PG'". There are many things that could have happened in any State Hospital that would not be allowed out in the 'free world' such as labodimies (sp?) and shock treatments, to name a couple. Those things happened on a regular basis. That was normal treatment to help to keep a patient under control. So as to the accidental asphyxiation, yes it could have been accidental. Maybe the home used some kind of gas to settle down patients that were getting worked up or some such as that. The dosage could have been too great and the patient died. No problem, it would just be listed as an accident. There may not be any other record of the fact. It may be possible that a patient was put in a sound proof room and all the cracks under the door, etc., be plugged so as to not hear the patient and the room could have been depleted of oxygen by simply breathing. Remember, Mental illness was not dealt with the same then as it is now. It has only been since about the end of WWII that we have changed the way that we look at the disorder. Finally we can accept mental illness for what it really is, an illness. I am not stating that this actually happened in Pontiac State Hospital. But if it did, it could be that the prevailing attitude at the time dismissed the importantance of what really happened and just let it get lost in the paperwork, so to speak. Have a good day, Dan Harriman Orange, Texas At 14:49 09/17/2003, you wrote: >Karen, > >Good to hear from you. Looks doubtful I would be allowed access to the >records She is my husband's great aunt. > >The Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac did not have a copy of an >obituary for Harriet. I never searched further. > >I was always curious how an age 61 woman who died 9 Sept 1913 could have >been accidentally asphyxiated. Maybe gas fumes or ???? > >It was suggested I check at the Oakland County Courthouse for coroner's >inquest. This sounds reasonable. If she died without medical attendance >one would think their would have been an inquest. I will do this next time >I am in Michigan unless I can get one of other Lockwood researchers to do >it for me. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. > >Thank you, >Ann in New Mexico > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karen Krugman > To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:10 AM > Subject: RE: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital > > Mary, > > The death of Harriet Lockwood Johnston/Johnson is listed as died at the > Pontiac State Hospital Sep. 1913 at age 61 of accidental asphyxiation. > > Thinking it odd that a person age 61 cause of death would be accidental > asphyxiation. > > I inquired at the Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac if they had a > record of people dying at the Michigan State Hospital (mental), Leslie said > that info would be at the Michigan State Library in Lansing. She also said > that they often wouldn't give out any info in the case of the insane. > > If you should learn how to obtain the records, would you let me know? This > cause of death has me curious. > > Regards, > Ann in New Mexico . If at first you don't succeed, maybe you shouldn't try sky diving! dit dit

Yes, I would be curious too why a 61 year old might have that as a listed cause of death. But someone suggested gas. That would be my thought too. Unless the person was totally out of it they could also suffocate by drowning in bathtub of water. Remember, just two inches of water could cause a person to drown by suffocation, though I suspect the ruling would be drowning rather than asphyxiation. Another idea - having something get stuck in the windpipe could also cause you to stop breathing -- back then a lot of people probably died from choaking on food because no one knew that a squeeze on the ribcage from behind could dislodge the food. But even if they knew, if she was alone when it happened, then death resulted. The coroner's report might reveal the truth behind the death and those records are public records. Just send a letter giving the person's name and date of death to see what they send you. I wouldn't go into a lot of detail in the letter about the facts you know, they probably won't help. Just make sure you give the facts: Name, date of death and place of death that should be sufficient to get you a copy of the report. Not all deaths actually have an autopsy, but there might be a hearing so you might ask if there was an inquest and if so you would like to have a copy of that finding as well. Christie Trapp

I noticed Ann Parsons mentioned 'other Lockwood researchers.' Since I've recently become a Lockwood researcher myself, I wonder if anyone is researching Stephen Lockwood [bc 1795, d aft Jun 1880, age 84] and Dinah Unknown. Their children were Remember, Levi, Lucy, Chauncey, Myron D, Martha, Allen, and Augusta. I have some good info to share from a Civil War Pension file of Martha Lockwood's 1st husband John B Newton. Also looking for info on Nellie May Lockwood, b 28 Jul 1881. She md William Marsac. Nellie's father was Henry Lockwood. Regards, Lorelei in CA -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:49 AM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Karen, Good to hear from you. Looks doubtful I would be allowed access to the records She is my husband's great aunt. The Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac did not have a copy of an obituary for Harriet. I never searched further. I was always curious how an age 61 woman who died 9 Sept 1913 could have been accidentally asphyxiated. Maybe gas fumes or ???? It was suggested I check at the Oakland County Courthouse for coroner's inquest. This sounds reasonable. If she died without medical attendance one would think their would have been an inquest. I will do this next time I am in Michigan unless I can get one of other Lockwood researchers to do it for me. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. Thank you, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Krugman To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Actually the records are at the Michigan State Archives in Lansing. Same basic building, just different branch. Since these records have to do with medical records, they may not allow you access. You may have to prove relationship or go thru an attorney to gain access. Have you looked for an obituary on her? The State Archives USED to do free lookups but in the near future they are going to $15 per lookup. As of this writing they are sending back your money if nothing is found, how long that will continue is unknown to me. Karen Krugman Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * Surname list owner for Boomershine & Ligon surnames Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012 -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:13 PM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Mary, The death of Harriet Lockwood Johnston/Johnson is listed as died at the Pontiac State Hospital Sep. 1913 at age 61 of accidental asphyxiation. Thinking it odd that a person age 61 cause of death would be accidental asphyxiation. I inquired at the Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac if they had a record of people dying at the Michigan State Hospital (mental), Leslie said that info would be at the Michigan State Library in Lansing. She also said that they often wouldn't give out any info in the case of the insane. If you should learn how to obtain the records, would you let me know? This cause of death has me curious. Regards, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: mlh To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Hi! Does anyone know if there would still be records from the Pontiac State Hospital from the 1930s? I'd like to get info on someone that was in that institution for a mental health problem - don't know if the hospital was strictly a mental institution, or general hospital, too..... >From what I understand, she was in the Pontiac State Hospital, and then transferred to St. Mary's Hospital in Detroit, Wayne Co, where she died June 7, 1935. Her name is Nellie PRENTICE HOLMES LEWIS. Would love any info that anyone can share. Thanks very much!!!! Mary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Actually the records are at the Michigan State Archives in Lansing. Same basic building, just different branch. Since these records have to do with medical records, they may not allow you access. You may have to prove relationship or go thru an attorney to gain access. Have you looked for an obituary on her? The State Archives USED to do free lookups but in the near future they are going to $15 per lookup. As of this writing they are sending back your money if nothing is found, how long that will continue is unknown to me. Karen Krugman Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * Surname list owner for Boomershine & Ligon surnames Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012 -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:13 PM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Mary, The death of Harriet Lockwood Johnston/Johnson is listed as died at the Pontiac State Hospital Sep. 1913 at age 61 of accidental asphyxiation. Thinking it odd that a person age 61 cause of death would be accidental asphyxiation. I inquired at the Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac if they had a record of people dying at the Michigan State Hospital (mental), Leslie said that info would be at the Michigan State Library in Lansing. She also said that they often wouldn't give out any info in the case of the insane. If you should learn how to obtain the records, would you let me know? This cause of death has me curious. Regards, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: mlh To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Hi! Does anyone know if there would still be records from the Pontiac State Hospital from the 1930s? I'd like to get info on someone that was in that institution for a mental health problem - don't know if the hospital was strictly a mental institution, or general hospital, too..... >From what I understand, she was in the Pontiac State Hospital, and then transferred to St. Mary's Hospital in Detroit, Wayne Co, where she died June 7, 1935. Her name is Nellie PRENTICE HOLMES LEWIS. Would love any info that anyone can share. Thanks very much!!!! Mary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Dan, Thank you for taking the time to give some ideas of what might have happened in 1913 in Pontiac. I agree with the family not mentioning it. My husband lived in Birmingham until he was grown and went into the military and never knew he had a great aunt Harriet. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Harriman To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Hello Ann, Karen, et al; I think that sometimes things that happened a hundred years ago or so went unexplained, especially when it came to the mentally infirm. It is entirely possible that there was no obit, due in part to the 'scandal' and 'stigma' that would be attached to the family by the obit itself. Very few upstanding families would want it to be commonly known that there was something 'wrong' with the family, so to speak. To a lessor extent, we have, in the recent past, done some of the same things. IE. I remember that as a kid, if a woman was pregnant, that 'pregnant' wouldn't be said outloud, especially if the woman was unwed. It would be said in a whispered "She's 'PG'". There are many things that could have happened in any State Hospital that would not be allowed out in the 'free world' such as labodimies (sp?) and shock treatments, to name a couple. Those things happened on a regular basis. That was normal treatment to help to keep a patient under control. So as to the accidental asphyxiation, yes it could have been accidental. Maybe the home used some kind of gas to settle down patients that were getting worked up or some such as that. The dosage could have been too great and the patient died. No problem, it would just be listed as an accident. There may not be any other record of the fact. It may be possible that a patient was put in a sound proof room and all the cracks under the door, etc., be plugged so as to not hear the patient and the room could have been depleted of oxygen by simply breathing. Remember, Mental illness was not dealt with the same then as it is now. It has only been since about the end of WWII that we have changed the way that we look at the disorder. Finally we can accept mental illness for what it really is, an illness. I am not stating that this actually happened in Pontiac State Hospital. But if it did, it could be that the prevailing attitude at the time dismissed the importantance of what really happened and just let it get lost in the paperwork, so to speak. Have a good day, Dan Harriman Orange, Texas At 14:49 09/17/2003, you wrote: >Karen, > >Good to hear from you. Looks doubtful I would be allowed access to the >records She is my husband's great aunt. > >The Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac did not have a copy of an >obituary for Harriet. I never searched further. > >I was always curious how an age 61 woman who died 9 Sept 1913 could have >been accidentally asphyxiated. Maybe gas fumes or ???? > >It was suggested I check at the Oakland County Courthouse for coroner's >inquest. This sounds reasonable. If she died without medical attendance >one would think their would have been an inquest. I will do this next time >I am in Michigan unless I can get one of other Lockwood researchers to do >it for me. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. > >Thank you, >Ann in New Mexico > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karen Krugman > To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:10 AM > Subject: RE: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital > > Mary, > > The death of Harriet Lockwood Johnston/Johnson is listed as died at the > Pontiac State Hospital Sep. 1913 at age 61 of accidental asphyxiation. > > Thinking it odd that a person age 61 cause of death would be accidental > asphyxiation. > > I inquired at the Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac if they had a > record of people dying at the Michigan State Hospital (mental), Leslie said > that info would be at the Michigan State Library in Lansing. She also said > that they often wouldn't give out any info in the case of the insane. > > If you should learn how to obtain the records, would you let me know? This > cause of death has me curious. > > Regards, > Ann in New Mexico . If at first you don't succeed, maybe you shouldn't try sky diving! dit dit ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Karen, Good to hear from you. Looks doubtful I would be allowed access to the records She is my husband's great aunt. The Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac did not have a copy of an obituary for Harriet. I never searched further. I was always curious how an age 61 woman who died 9 Sept 1913 could have been accidentally asphyxiated. Maybe gas fumes or ???? It was suggested I check at the Oakland County Courthouse for coroner's inquest. This sounds reasonable. If she died without medical attendance one would think their would have been an inquest. I will do this next time I am in Michigan unless I can get one of other Lockwood researchers to do it for me. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. Thank you, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Krugman To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Actually the records are at the Michigan State Archives in Lansing. Same basic building, just different branch. Since these records have to do with medical records, they may not allow you access. You may have to prove relationship or go thru an attorney to gain access. Have you looked for an obituary on her? The State Archives USED to do free lookups but in the near future they are going to $15 per lookup. As of this writing they are sending back your money if nothing is found, how long that will continue is unknown to me. Karen Krugman Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * Surname list owner for Boomershine & Ligon surnames Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012 -----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons [mailto:aparsons2003@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:13 PM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Mary, The death of Harriet Lockwood Johnston/Johnson is listed as died at the Pontiac State Hospital Sep. 1913 at age 61 of accidental asphyxiation. Thinking it odd that a person age 61 cause of death would be accidental asphyxiation. I inquired at the Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac if they had a record of people dying at the Michigan State Hospital (mental), Leslie said that info would be at the Michigan State Library in Lansing. She also said that they often wouldn't give out any info in the case of the insane. If you should learn how to obtain the records, would you let me know? This cause of death has me curious. Regards, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: mlh To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Hi! Does anyone know if there would still be records from the Pontiac State Hospital from the 1930s? I'd like to get info on someone that was in that institution for a mental health problem - don't know if the hospital was strictly a mental institution, or general hospital, too..... >From what I understand, she was in the Pontiac State Hospital, and then transferred to St. Mary's Hospital in Detroit, Wayne Co, where she died June 7, 1935. Her name is Nellie PRENTICE HOLMES LEWIS. Would love any info that anyone can share. Thanks very much!!!! Mary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would prefer to thank each of you for sending such good advice. Something is wrong with my ISP and my outgoing messages seem to just disappear. Will post a thank you to all of you. I could have never got this far with my Oakland County research without you. I appreciate you. Thank you, Ann in New Mexico

A few minutes ago I received some suggestions on where to look for more on a death at the State Hospital in Pontiac. For some reason my internet failed as I was sending a reply. This caused me to lose their name & address. If the person that wrote me did not get my thank you I will post it here. I thought it odd that a person could die of accidental asphyxiation, which one would think would have been a death that would need a coroner's inquest in 1913. I will see what I can learn from the Oakland County Courthouse. Ann in New Mexico

Mary, The death of Harriet Lockwood Johnston/Johnson is listed as died at the Pontiac State Hospital Sep. 1913 at age 61 of accidental asphyxiation. Thinking it odd that a person age 61 cause of death would be accidental asphyxiation. I inquired at the Oakland County Pioneer Library in Pontiac if they had a record of people dying at the Michigan State Hospital (mental), Leslie said that info would be at the Michigan State Library in Lansing. She also said that they often wouldn't give out any info in the case of the insane. If you should learn how to obtain the records, would you let me know? This cause of death has me curious. Regards, Ann in New Mexico ----- Original Message ----- From: mlh To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Pontiac State Hospital Hi! Does anyone know if there would still be records from the Pontiac State Hospital from the 1930s? I'd like to get info on someone that was in that institution for a mental health problem - don't know if the hospital was strictly a mental institution, or general hospital, too..... >From what I understand, she was in the Pontiac State Hospital, and then transferred to St. Mary's Hospital in Detroit, Wayne Co, where she died June 7, 1935. Her name is Nellie PRENTICE HOLMES LEWIS. Would love any info that anyone can share. Thanks very much!!!! Mary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi! Does anyone know if there would still be records from the Pontiac State Hospital from the 1930s? I'd like to get info on someone that was in that institution for a mental health problem - don't know if the hospital was strictly a mental institution, or general hospital, too..... >From what I understand, she was in the Pontiac State Hospital, and then transferred to St. Mary's Hospital in Detroit, Wayne Co, where she died June 7, 1935. Her name is Nellie PRENTICE HOLMES LEWIS. Would love any info that anyone can share. Thanks very much!!!! Mary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com