Hi I am looking for the parents of William LAWRENCE, born in 1835 in Oakland County, Michigan. William married Sarah BROWN of Lapeer County in 1856, and in 1860 was living in Metamora Township, Lapeer County. By 1870, William was in Tuscola County. I suspect that William is related to Nathan LAWRENCE, father of Dennis, Levi, and Joseph LAWRENCE. Nathan was listed in 1830 in Oakland County. The 1880 census has that William's parents were both born in Pennsylvania, but his later census entries are not consistent with this. Are there any other LAWRENCE researchers with roots in Oakland County? Tom Krakow 706 Emory Drive Chapel Hill, NC 27517 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I'm quite sure there never was a Rutland County in Michigan. Furthermore, very few white people would have been born anywhere in Michigan as early as 1809. At that time, Michigan was on the wildest of wild frontiers. Except for the area right around Detroit, it was essentially in the hands of the Native Americans. Detroit, Port Huron, and a few other areas bordering on Canada had long established French-Canadian populations (descendants of traders, mostly) and perhaps a few descendants of British occupying forces. I'd say the chances are very good that you are looking at something that has been mixed up or garbled through the years. Rutland Co., Vermont was the previous home of many early Michigan settlers who arrived in the 1825-1835 time frame or thereabouts. Many people came to Michigan from Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut and New York as soon as the federal government offered public land for sale. The earliest land sales under the Northwest Ordinance and so forth for Michigan took place in about 1828. Milford, Michigan is indeed in Oakland County and was in Wayne County before Oakland was organized. At least, the geographical area known as Milford today was. Milford as a settled area surely does not date to 1809, though. There appears to be no Milford in modern Vermont, but I don't know if there was a historic town of Milford there. There are Milford place names in both Connecticut (New Haven Co.) and New York (Otsego Co.) though. Early Michigan settlers came in large numbers from both those counties. Early Michigan place names are often taken from the place in New York or Connecticut from which the first settlers had most recently come. I would definitely check for a birth record in Rutland Co., Vermont, since you have an exact date. Vermont towns usually have birth and marriage records back well into the 18th century. Lacking success there, I'd try Milford, New York next, though records in New York that far back are very spotty. Milford, CT probably has good records but seems less likely. Have you tracked your ancestor through the census to see what state appears most frequently on the birthplace question? Gary Lee Phillips fuffle@ix.netcom.com

Ron, Who are you trying to look for? Maybe some of us can help you out. Just off the top of my head, I'm wondering if you're sure its Michigan. There's a Rutland County in Vermont as well, where a lot of people in Michigan came from ... I'd be questioning the date too, unless your family was in trading or explorers, since thats five years before even Wayne County was started. Good luck! Concetta Whose grandmother still lives in Oakland County! >>> "Ronald R. Powell" <imachristian@usadatanet.net> 10/21/03 07:11PM >>> I am trying to clarify some apparently erroneous information that I have received from a website. It said that a person in my family tree was born on November 02, 1809, in Milford, Rutland County, Michigan.

Hello Everyone: I am trying to clarify some apparently erroneous information that I have received from a website. It said that a person in my family tree was born on November 02, 1809, in Milford, Rutland County, Michigan. I can't find a Rutland County, Michigan. I know that Milford is in Oakland County, Michigan, at present. Was Milford ever in a Rutland County, Michigan, and/or does anyone know anything of a Rutland County, Michigan? I wish to thank you in advance for your help. In Christ, Ron Powell

Hi! Does anyone have any information about the family that ran the boardinghouse at 49 E. Burdick? Are there any pictures available of it? Enoch, the man listed in charge of it in his 1935 obituary, is my great uncle. I would very much like to know what happened to his wife, kids and grandkids after his death, since they are barely mentioned in the Lake Orion Review where his obit was. Thanks, Concetta

I think I need to clarify something that I keep seeing misunderstood. Alot of people are sending me obituary lookups based on the Soc. Sec. Death index. Which is fine, except for one thing. The PLACE you see listed after death is NOT the place they died. Many people are assuming that date and place being so close together they go together. They do NOT. That place after the date of death is the location where the DEATH BENEFIT was paid to. Not where the person died. I am looking at TWO obits here, people assumed they died in Oakland County because the cities named are here. When I check my Michigan deaths cd, those persons did not die in Michigan at all. Try to keep that in mind when requesting obit lookups. I hate disappointing people when I can't find the obits they want. Not complaining - just trying to clarify the facts. Karen Check out some of our web pages: * http://www.wwnet.net/~krugman1 (Main home page) * http://www.miprofgenie.com * Surname list owner for Boomershine & Ligon surnames Karen Krugman, P.O. Box 577, Birmingham, MI 48012

I would suggest-- the Royal Oak Daily Tribune http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=989 for the Ferndale obit and The Oakland Press (aka The Pontiac Press) http://www.zwire.com/site/news.asp?brd=982 for the Holly obit. ____________________________ From: "Tom Bishop" I have found an ancestor who died in Ferndale, MI, in 1975, and an ancestor who died in Holly, MI, in 1941. Can anyone tell me what newspapers I would have to look in to find their obituaries? Gerri --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

I have found an ancestor who died in Ferndale, MI, in 1975, and an ancestor who died in Holly, MI, in 1941. Can anyone tell me what newspapers I would have to look in to find their obituaries? Gerri

We maintain the Michigan Marriage Index Database that has the following record: JOHN J KNOX m EMILY M DAVIS in OAKLAND cty 05 AUG 1861 Is this the marriage that you wrote about, if so we would like to add your email address to the record. Please note the date of the marriage. Jack & Marianne Dibean - Lansing Michigan Marriage Index Links: http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/dibeanindex/ GenWeb Archives: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/marriages/michigan/michigan.htm ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hi Carol, Waited to see if someone else came up with some info for you before replying. Here is what I know. I was told that the earliest Birmingham city directory was 1929. This is the year that Birmingham changed their street address numbers. I was told that there is a copy in the state library in Lansing and a Mr. James Groves now deceased had the other one. Mr. Groves told me this. Since he is now dead, perhaps his family donated his copy to the Oakland County Genealogical Society or to a library in Oakland County. If you should learn anything more than this about dirctories I would appreciate you letting me and the list know. If I learn anything more I will let you and the list know. I did find in the book Birmingham and West Bloomfield Cemeteries on page 16 published by the Oakland County Genealogical Society the following. GRIFFIN, Emily DAVIS w/o John W. b. Feb 2, 1836 d. Oct 22, 1872 This is in Greenwood Cemetery, Section B, Row 5. No entry for John Griffin, Ann Parsons Alamogordo, NM USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <CarolH726@aol.com> To: <MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Birmingham City Directories--look-up > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone know if there are any Birmingham city directories available > for > the years between 1872 and 1887? If so, could someone please look-up John > GRIFFIN? > > Thank you very much. I really appreciate your help. > > Carol Harrison > California > > > ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi everyone, Does anyone know if there are any Birmingham city directories available for the years between 1872 and 1887? If so, could someone please look-up John GRIFFIN? Thank you very much. I really appreciate your help. Carol Harrison California

Hi, I'm new to the list and I was wondering if someone could tell me if the current Madison Heights was in existence in the 1930 census or was it considered part of Royal Oak. I am trying to find the ED number for an area University Ave and Hampden. I think it was east of John R and north of 11 mile rd. The address is 27120 Hampden St. I appreciate any info. Thanks. Don

Hi all, Just thought I post this here in case anyone is a descendant of this Davis family. This is the Civil War marriage certificate of John J. Knox (Major, 5th MI Inf) and Emily M. Davis of Clarkston, Oakland Co, MI. The 1860 census index for Clarkston has a John and Sarah Davis, both age 59, born Ireland and England, with an Emily M., age 23, born MI. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2194380128 Regards, Jean

Hello List! New to this list and trying to find info on a Cornish LEWIS and his brother John George. They were found in the 1880 US Census living in Clarksville, Indiana but now I found this name in Oakland County, Michigan 1800-1917. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks So Much Sheridan Loster Crooked River Ranch, Oregon US sploster@coinet.com

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If anyone is interested we have a page from a Pontiac Motors employee newspaper dated June 15, 1956 with pictures of 16 employes who were awarded watches for 25 years of service. They are: Basil Danhausen; Chas McDermott, H.L. Persons, A.R. Briggs, L.W. Loch, S.B. Monroe, Peter Nielsen, E. T. Horne, M. J. Steel, O. G. Fiedler, E. D. Johnson, Geo. Guinn, Wm Frizzard, W.B. King, L. F. Courteau and L. S. Shortt(a lady) There are also pictures of 4 gentlemen who retired: E.R. NewBecker, J.R. Erickson, P.W.Klinger and O.B. Tousey. Also mentioned as retiring but w/o pictures were Clyde W. Albright, Dept 953 and Jerry K. Supernault, Dept V53. There is also a group picture taken in 1931 of Tool Stores personnel: Row 1: S. Deller, J. Mitchell, C. Mossey, C. Mathews, R. DeBolt Oliver and Ed Barnhardt. Row 2: Ed Curson, George Templeton, Willard Bickle, E. Inwood, Milford Bigger, H. Miner, Bob Haslock, C. Aselton and G. Scott. If anyone is interested, contact me at Libsue@hotmail.com and I will send copies. Sue McDermott _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com

I am expressing my thank you to: Suzanne, Barb, Ann, Jack and Marianne for their help on the above subject. We have a great group of people here at MIOAKLAN! Rosie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Hi Wilma, Good to hear from you. Yes, Harriet Lockwood we were discussing on the list, mother was Maria Blanchard. I appreciate you letting me know about the Blanchard's being in Rochester. I didn't know this, will look into it. When you get time, I would like to know the connection you noticed. Thanks, Ann Alamogordo, NM USA ----- Original Message ----- From: WilmaRalph@aol.com To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Re: MIOAKLAN-D Digest V03 #103 Hi again Ann, Remember we corresponded about Lockwood's some time ago. I just noticed that there is a connection with Blanchard name. That name is quite prominent in Rochester. Maybe a connection can be found. Wilma ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi again Ann, Remember we corresponded about Lockwood's some time ago. I just noticed that there is a connection with Blanchard name. That name is quite prominent in Rochester. Maybe a connection can be found. Wilma

Ann, I just wanted to add that I live next to Sterling Heights, Macomb Co MI and if I can be of any help to you, please let me know. Karin King >HI Lorelei, Nellie's father Henry is brother to the Harriet we have been writing about. Their sister Frances is my husband's grandmother. Their parents were Elbridge and Maria (Blanchard) Lockwood. How Stephen connects I have yet to learn. Just from memory, it seems the Stephen family lived near the Elbridge family in Sterling Township, Macomb County. I like to share what I have learned, to me that is what this hobby/addiction is all about, helping & sharing. If you want contact me off list. <