The book should also be located in the Michigan State Libary in Lansing as I sent for a copy of a page which was missing from a photocopied section that I had made some years ago. It is not available from them through Interlibrary Loan as I tried that route. It is, as another listed said, available through Salt Lake. However, I would suggest that anyone who takes information from this source do some independent research to verify facts as I know it has mistakes in two surnamed families that are mine: Axford and Perry. In the Perry genealogy which is presented, I discovered that the information came from a family member of mine who thought that the progenitor of the family was a John Perry. This is incorrect. The first progenitor was a man named Adam Perry. The John which is attributed in this source is really a grandson of Adam and the John which is cited never served in the Revolution. Instead, he served in the War of 1812. My grandmother's aunts are the ones who provided the information to Lillian when she was preparing her book and they made a mistake because they wanted to join the DAR and back then, they didn't need to prove with documentation the information they had. In the Axford line, I had a problem following some of the descendants by comparing it to other facts that I found and other sources that followed the same family. Therefore, I feel there are mistakes in this source. Some lines may be true blue and be very accurate, but would suggest that you don't depend on this source as beeing truly gospel and factual. Use it as a reference tool and go from there to make sure the information is currect. As with all human endeavors, mistakes are made and Lillian Avery probably didn't take the time to check, recheck, and verify all the data that was sent to her when she prepared this volume. So, please, don't take the information as being gospel until you check it all out. Christie Trapp

Dear Bob and Carol, This book is available on film through the LDS. Sure wish I had a copy myself! Here's the data: Title Old Oakland County families Authors Daughters of the American Revolution. General Richardson Chapter (Michigan) (Main Author) Notes Microreproduction of original typescript (2 v.) written in 1934, 1945. Histories and genealogical records of the early families of Oakland County. Subjects Michigan, Oakland - Genealogy Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City [Utah] : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1973 Physical on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Old Oakland County families - FHL US/CAN Film [ 927416 Items 1-2 ] © 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert S. Swenson" <rswenson@stanford.edu> To: <MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:43 AM Subject: [MIOAKLAN] "Old Oakland County Families" by Lillian Drake Avery. > Re: "Old Oakland County Families" by Lillian Drake Avery > > Dear reader, > > In July, 1999 Deanna McIntyre Hester, in an email to MIMACOMB, spoke > of "Old Oakland County Families" by Lillian Drake Avery (D.A.R) which > was prepared in 2 volumes, V1 indexed by Edward H. Whitfield. and V2 > indexed by Mary Shaw Green , as being an excellent source of > information about Oakland and Macomb county families. > > If anyone has access to this book, would you please check the index > for mention of Joseph Van Netter (surname spelled many ways: > Vanatter, Vanetter, etc.) Joseph was reported by Lillian Avery (in > "Michigan Military Records" of 1920) to be the first Revolutionary > Army veteran to apply for a military pension in Oakland County Court, > receiving his pension in 1822. > > Sincerely, Bob & Carol Swenson > > rswenson@stanford.edu > > > ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Re: "Old Oakland County Families" by Lillian Drake Avery Dear reader, In July, 1999 Deanna McIntyre Hester, in an email to MIMACOMB, spoke of "Old Oakland County Families" by Lillian Drake Avery (D.A.R) which was prepared in 2 volumes, V1 indexed by Edward H. Whitfield. and V2 indexed by Mary Shaw Green , as being an excellent source of information about Oakland and Macomb county families. If anyone has access to this book, would you please check the index for mention of Joseph Van Netter (surname spelled many ways: Vanatter, Vanetter, etc.) Joseph was reported by Lillian Avery (in "Michigan Military Records" of 1920) to be the first Revolutionary Army veteran to apply for a military pension in Oakland County Court, receiving his pension in 1822. Sincerely, Bob & Carol Swenson rswenson@stanford.edu

Please remember the 2004-05 program year opening meeting of OCGS on Tuesday, October 5, 2004, St.Stephens Church, 5500 Adams Road, Troy, MI 48098. The church is between Long Lake and Square Lake on Adams. Program: Hear some fascinating stories of "lucky" finds and methods used to locate them from a panel of OCGS members. Get some ideas for new avenues to search from those who have also felt blocked but found their way around it. Bring a story--there will be time for audience sharing. Those traveling from the south or west of the church on surface streets should be aware that Adams Road is closed between Big Beaver and Wattles for reconstruction of a bridge. Please either follow the official detour along Big Beaver, Coolidge and back to Adams on Wattles, or consider traveling into Troy on Long Lake or Square Lake Road from the west, or Coolidge or Crooks from the South. If you are using I-75, use the Adams Road exit (74) or the Crooks Road exit (72). From exit 74, left at the end of the ramp, then right onto Adams at the light. From exit 72, right at the end of the ramp, left onto Square lake for two miles to Adams, turn left. Oakland County Genealogical Society Mailing List Unsubscribe or change your options at: <http://server10.totalchoicehosting.com/mailman/listinfo/ocgs_warrenweb.info > http://server10.totalchoicehosting.com/mailman/listinfo/ocgs_warrenweb.info OCGS website: http://www.rhpl.org/OCGS/ <http://www.metronet.lib.mi.us/ROCH/OCGS/>

Thanks Christie...I really appreciate your advice! Rosie MIOAKLAN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: 1. Order the death certificate 2. Check all local papers for Oakland County for obituaries if you know specific area of Oakland County, that would help, but it will probably be somewhere near the place of death unless he died in an auto accident or something like this away from his normal home town. 3. Check the Social Security Death Index on line to see where, if any social security benefits might have been paid. Christie Trapp

1. Order the death certificate 2. Check all local papers for Oakland County for obituaries if you know specific area of Oakland County, that would help, but it will probably be somewhere near the place of death unless he died in an auto accident or something like this away from his normal home town. 3. Check the Social Security Death Index on line to see where, if any social security benefits might have been paid. Christie Trapp

A friend sent me these websites and they both look good. Bios of many early French Canadians are included in the Dictionary and are searchable. At the Archives it looks like you can get records from their Microfilm Interloan Service. It doesn't look as if many databases are searchable online, but it describes how to obtain many kinds of useful records. Click here: Dictionary of Canadian Biography Online <http://www.biographi.ca/EN/index.html> http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/index.html <http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/index.html> Lorelei Maison Rockwell

Hi everyone! I'm trying to help someone who is looking for the burial site of Michal A. SOLOMON (b: 19 May 1924) DIED 13 OCTOBER 1998. Buried somewhere in Oakland County. Anyone have suggestions on how to locate info? Thanks very much! Rose

Hi! My favorite Ebay search yesterday brought up some absolutely fascinating photos. Does anyone know exactly what they are? I can't afford to pick them up, but I would be very interested in hearing more about them since they are, I think, some of the earliest photos I've seen of the area. Concetta The links are: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6120520381&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 Camp Schad? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=410&item=6120519466&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Camp Sheldon? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=410&item=6120517148&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW The lone Fruit Car by the Lake Now, this one I know, but thought I'd include it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=410&item=6120518351&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Camping by the side of the Lake

This fall I am the coordinator of FEEFHS / PGSM's three day event. The Federation of East European Family History Societies (FEEFHS) and The Polish Genealogy Society of Michigan (PGSM) are co-sponsoring the 2004 International Conference "What Is Past Is Prologue". Back by popular demand is Matthew Bielawa, an expert in Galician research. We are also proud to host Kasia Grycza, a professional Polish genealogist and guide. Kasia is from Poznan and has extensive experience in all regions of Polish research. Kasia speaks English, Polish, Russian and German. We have MI Lt. John Cherry as a lunch speaker. He will be attending to receive his Polish pedigree. His great grandfather is from Poznan. I hope you will agree we have a great range of speakers and topics. We have a three day package as well as a single day rate. Would you like to register at the door? Please contact me. I have included additional information at the bottom of this email. You will find all the information and registration materials on the FEEFHS website at: http://feefhs.org Ceil Michigan Polonia http://mipolonia.net Cecile Marie Wendt Jensen, CGRS (sm) ======================================== CGRS, Certified Genealogical Records Specialist ************************************************************* The Federation of East European Family History Societies (FEEFHS) and The Polish Genealogy Society of Michigan (PGSM) are co-sponsoring the 2004 International Conference "What Is Past Is Prologue". ************************************************************* October 1, 2, 3, 2004 Crowne Plaza -Detroit Metro Airport Romulus, Michigan The conference is a full day on Fri and Sat and 1/2 day on Sunday. We have 25+ speakers and over 60 presentations scheduled. The range of topics includes Polish, German, Slovak, Ukrainian, Russian, Slovenian, Hungarian, Pomeranian, Prussian, Czech, Jewish and Austrian Genealogy. Sessions are designed to be informative for beginners as well as advanced researchers. Need help with translating documents? We have sessions on Latin, German, Polish, Russian, Hungarian and the handwriting style of Sütterlin (Kurrent and Fraktur). Need help with organizing your research and using technology? We have sessions to help you. The registration form, speakers list and additional information is on the FEEFHS website: http://feefhs.org Oct. 1 Fri. 8:00 am - 5:00 pm followed by evening Meal at 6:00 pm Oct. 2 Sat. 8:30 am- 5:00 pm followed by evening Meal at 6:00 pm Oct. 3 Sun. 8:30 am- 12:00 ************************************************************

This fall I am the coordinator of FEEFHS / PGSM's three day event in Romulus, MI. The Federation of East European Family History Societies (FEEFHS) and The Polish Genealogy Society of Michigan (PGSM) are co-sponsoring the 2004 International Conference "What Is Past Is Prologue". Oct. 1,2,3, 2004. Back by popular demand is Matthew Bielawa, an expert in Galician research. We are also proud to host Kasia Grycza, a professional Polish genealogist and guide from Poznan, Poland. We have 25+ speakers and over 60 presentations scheduled. The range of topics include Polish, German, Slovak, Ukrainian, Russian, Slovenian, Hungarian, Croatian, Pomeranian, Prussian, Czech, Jewish and Austrian Genealogy. I hope you will agree we have a great range of speakers and topics. I wanted to make sure you received this information in plenty of time to get your registration in. We have a three day package as well as a single day rate. The three day rate (including two lunches) holds until Sept. 15. The rate goes up after Sept. 15, 2004. You will find all the information and registration materials on the FEEFHS website at: http://feefhs.org I can send you a registration form directly to your email if you request it: cjensen@mipolonia.net Michigan Polonia http://mipolonia.net Cecile Marie Wendt Jensen, CGRS (sm) =================================================== CGRS, Certified Genealogical Records Specialist

Tracing Our Ancestors Footsteps a free genealogy seminar hosted by Bloomfield Hills Family History Center 37425 Woodward Avenue Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304-3568 Saturday, October 23, 2004 8:00- 5:00 details: http://geocities.com/bloomfield_hills_fhc/

Historical society tries to save old mill Web-posted Aug 30, 2004 By ANN ZANIEWSKI Of The Daily Oakland Press Shattered glass sparkles on the ground under blue window frames filled with plywood.Cracked gray paint is flaking off 129-year-old red-brown brick. Lanky thistles and shrubs creep around and partly hide a small front porch.Still, Rod Wilson, past president of the Rochester-Avon Historical Society, sees beauty in the blight and wants to keep the shuttered paper mill from being replaced with condos and added to a growing list of historic buildings lost in the name of progress."It's part of our heritage," he said. "It's part of our history."Detroit-based developer Trident Properties wants to tear down the mill to build 196 stacked, three-bedroom condo units on the nearly 18 acres just southeast of Main Street. Mill Street runs under the Main Street bridge and dead-ends at the mill, which sits at the intersection of the Paint Creek and the Clinton River.The mill's 1824 rock foundation is still intact, but the original wooden structure burned down and was replaced with a brick building in 1875. A chimney that jutted from the roof was torn down and an aluminum addition was added in the 1940s or 1950s.It was a flour mill when it opened and was last occupied by a company called Fiber Mark, which manufactured paper filters.Wilson and other society members want to save the 1875 portion. They have suggested that the developer turn it into a clubhouse for residents or a restaurant.On nearby Water Street, an 1896 building that housed the Western Knitting Mills was remodeled and now houses three levels of offices and the popular Rochester Mills Brewing Co. bar and restaurant.But Tom Turnbull, Trident Properties vice president, is less enthusiastic about keeping and reusing the paper mill.A restaurant wouldn't work, he said, because "it would be in the middle of a residential community, in the middle of 200 homes."And there are no plans for a clubhouse or community building, either."It's all going to be condos," he said.The Rochester Planning Commission will decide whether to give the project a green light at a meeting at 7:30 p.m. Sept. 8. Society member Liz Golding said the meeting will be the last chance to plead to save the mill building.The city doesn't have a historic district, which could mandate that historical buildings not be torn down and their facades left largely unchanged. Owners could be eligible for tax breaks in return.As a result, several old structures have been razed to make way for new ones. The five historical Parke-Davis barns built on Lettica in 1907 - where polio vaccines were tested with horse blood - were torn down in 1999 to make way for the Older Persons Commission building. The Woodward School, built in 1926 on Woodward Avenue, came down last fall for a 16-house development.Western Knitting Mills and the Rochester Community Schools administration building on University, built in 1888 and since remodeled, are proof to society members that the paper mill doesn't have to meet a dismal fate."Rochester needs foot traffic, and this (the condo plan) is a wonderful way to get it. We applaud them for doing it. It's their right to tear it down if they want to," Golding said. "It's a piece of Rochester history, and we want to preserve it if we can."

Sue, I don't find Ethel but did find an Oscar Enroth in the 1930 Census. He is living on Victor Ave in Highland Park, Wayne, MI. He is divorced and was married at age 25. He immigrated from Finland in 1912 and is working as an operator in an auto factory. Pat

I don't have access to Ancestry, but a search in Vitalsearch got a reference to this 1930 census where his estimated birth year is shown as 1882. Couldn't see anything that might lead to a date of death for him. ron -----Original Message----- From: Pzip349@aol.com Sent: Aug 27, 2004 5:57 AM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Re: MIOAKLAN-D Digest V04 #104 Sue, I don't find Ethel but did find an Oscar Enroth in the 1930 Census. He is living on Victor Ave in Highland Park, Wayne, MI. He is divorced and was married at age 25. He immigrated from Finland in 1912 and is working as an operator in an auto factory. Pat ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Looks like you found Ethel on the SSDI (as I did) I found an Oscar but he would have been too young for Ethel being born in 1910. (could he have been a child?) Your Oscar lived long enough to have a SSN so one reason he didn't show on the SSDI MAY be a name problem. Did he have another given name that he might have used? I'm not in MI so can't do much more than this. There are some Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness folks who offer certain kinds of help. You might see if any are available in the area. I've also had some luck with public libraries. There might be city/county directories later than any released census to help pin down their location. I was helping someone last week and went to a directory which gave me the unknown spouse name and an address the person I was helping didn't have. That led to finding what she was looking for in a day or so. Some states have a death index online. I don't know if MI does or not. If the folks you are helping know where Ethel was buried, a call to the cemetery may help. Lotsa ways to go, just that not all work very fast or certain. With your time frame it might be necessary to hire a pro. (which I'm not) There are web sites for many. Good luck with your search. ron in CA -----Original Message----- From: jnsford <jnsford@sdcoe.k12.ca.us> Sent: Aug 26, 2004 8:56 AM To: MIOAKLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIOAKLAN] Re: Need your help Hello Listmembers I really need someone's assistance. I am helping a friend put together a family tree as a gift. We are stuck..and working on a time frame.. Ethel Enroth passed away Jan 1963 Michigan- the family had lived in Oakland- Her husband OSCAR ENROTH is also deceased, but wouldn't you know it, can't find anything on him either. He may have passed away sometime between 1930-1940 Is there anyone who can find some time to find their obituaries for me? I have tried everything- now, I need to come to you all for help Thank you for taking the time to read this query and I look forward to hearing from you. Have a nice day Sue ==== MIOAKLAN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello Listmembers I really need someone's assistance. I am helping a friend put together a family tree as a gift. We are stuck..and working on a time frame.. Ethel Enroth passed away Jan 1963 Michigan- the family had lived in Oakland- Her husband OSCAR ENROTH is also deceased, but wouldn't you know it, can't find anything on him either. He may have passed away sometime between 1930-1940 Is there anyone who can find some time to find their obituaries for me? I have tried everything- now, I need to come to you all for help Thank you for taking the time to read this query and I look forward to hearing from you. Have a nice day Sue

Dear Listers; Is there someone out there who can help Rosanne? Please send any replies directly to her. Thanks, Judy --- roseann Maul <roseann930@comcast.net> wrote: > From: "roseann Maul" <roseann930@comcast.net> > To: <Judy@BirdGenealogy.org> > Subject: cemetery > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:07:42 -0600 > > Judy > > Could you help me with the names of cemeteries in > the area of Orion township that existed in 1860 to > 1863. Am looking for my husbands great great > grandmother > Letitia Maule (Maul, Moll, Mull). > Also could I have the address of the courthouse and > the research library across the street? > Thank you so much > Roseann Maul > We are coming to Michigan the week of sept 12 to 19 > and want to do some research.

In a message dated 8/17/2004 4:00:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, MIOAKLAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: jnsford" jnsford@sdcoe.k12.ca.us Subject: Help! Can you solve this mystery? Farmington Oakland Co MI My first attempt to find the family in the area starts with a poor census record. I need all the information pertaining to Ethel Eroth ...Can anyone tell me what it says: 1930 Farmington Oakland Co MI ED 114 sheet 18B John W Lathrop 70 MI VT NY Eroth Ethel ??????????? ( Help!) Eroth Jane 5, MI SWE NY Eroth Oscar 46, SWE SWE SWE Sue First I will state at the outset that I can't answer the question about Ethel; however, there is more to the 1930 census than just the person's name, age and birth origin of the individual and the parents origin. There are a number of questions that will help you learn about your family 1. question about owning a radio. It may sound like a ridiculous question, but if you stop to think about it, it isn't so ridiculous. The truth behind the question comes down to whether there was electricity in the home. If you owned a radio, you had electricity. 2. yes or no to living on a farm - they were looking to see the movement from an agriculture economy (farmers) to the big cities. 3. questions about education/read/write - these same questions were asked starting back in 1850 with the education question for the children, but it continued on after that and starting in 1900 it became a common question, and particularly the reading/writing/speak of English. They were looking to see how many people who were foreign born now were speaking English. 4. Employment question - this question started in the 1900 census. The 1920 census asked a double question about unemployment that carried back to the year 1919. Times were tough. They wanted to know the economic condition of the United States. The 1930 census was also a precursor to the 1933 stock market crash, but times were tough in 1930 and we were still in a slide carried over from World War I. Therefore, it is important to make a note when doing the 1900-1930 census research to note all the information (except that strange coding that appears which is not explained and is only known to the Census Bureau) about an individual. This information can become useful when looking for land records -- such as the answer about owning or renting property. Also note any street names that appear down the left side of every page if the census taker so noted it. Street addresses start appear in the census records starting in 1900 and continue on through to the 1930 census. This question starts in the 1900 census when it has the letters at the end of the head of household. O F F = owned free a farm O F H = owned free a home R F = rented a farm R H = rented a home O M F = owned with mortgage a farm O M H = owned with mortgage a home From this little bit of information you know whether or not to start looking for deeds and/or even probates. Owning land or owning a home means there is a deed somewhere and you need to find it in the county where the census record originated. When a person does not appear in a census records it can mean they died, or they were missed by the census taker for a variety of reasons, or they moved. I have also discovered that the on-line versions can be harder to locate people because you need to know exactly how the name was spelled in the census. Most of the time it is not searched like soundex reels of film, therefore you need to check a variety of spellings to find your person. This is particuarly true for first names. For example the name William can be Wm, W. William, Willam, Willim, Willm, etc. Unless you know for a fact that the online version has spelled it any of these various ways to find your guy, you may think he is not in the census at all if all you look for is the name William and don't think about the other variations. Another fact that I'm fast discovering that not all counties or all towns in a county are on line yet. I know there are families residing in the Oakland county are and have been since the 1830s, but when looking for the more recent family names, they don't always show up. Whether they were completely missed or just not interpreted correctly, I have no idea. When I mean interpreted correctly, that means you know how it should be spelled, but the person who was preparing the index for the on-line names thinks that the name reads something else. I happened to have found this situation and the only way I located the name was through another name that appeared on the same page I was looking at and I saw it when it was coming up on the screen. When I went back to type in the name for searching - not there, but did find it when I typed in the misspelled name that showed on the page. Strange but true. The next query has to do with marriage lookup. The index covers the time period, but the actual film for the time period is not available. I would volunteer to do a lookup for the Eroth marriage; however, as I posted a message last week about my unavailability to do the search due to my mom falling and breaking her ankle, I'm going to have to beg off unless you can wait until the end of September. However, all I could give you would be the date the marriage took place and the book and page as that is all the index provides. You would have to order the record from Oakland County directly. As for death indexes for the 1963 time period, - the answer is no. There are no filmed indexes for that time period. I would suggest you try to do a lookup via the local newspaper where the death took place. Hope you find your person(s) and that you have lots of luck finding your family members. Christie Trapp

Hello I can now move past one hurdle ( your help was very much appreciated, thank you) only to find myself up against another. I just love family research- we can never tell where one lead will take us next. Is there anyone who can do a marriage look up for me? Oscar Enroth married Ethel ( maiden name unknown) Abt 1923 Oakland County, Farmington, Michigan Is there a death index for the area? Ethel Enroth died Jan 1963 Michigan according to the SSDI Thank you Have a wonderful day I once again look forward to hearing from you all Sue