Jeanine: It isn't so much Ancestry's fault for changing the rules as for the criminal element in the country and the mis-appropriation of ones identity. Identity theft has turned into a number one problem for financial institutions and even for us ... those researching the dead. It makes the task of tracking our ancestors more difficult however, it's not impossible. Shelia B. Meandering Minnesota Meadows webachel@wolf.co.net -----Original Message----- From: minnesota-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:minnesota-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeanine Reckinger Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:12 AM To: minnesota@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] Minnesota Birth Index back I the days of "snail mail" it was not unusual for me to go through three 100-stamp rolls per month . . . I put them on return envelopes that I addressed or I added post cards with my phone number etc. I found info that is and never will be on the net, little churches, little cemeteries . . . many things . . . tracked things down by phone too . . . however, not to have the dates of those over 100 years old is going to make it very tough to do our tracing back that far . . . at best they weren't all listed, but those that were at least ruled out certain places you didn't need to look . . . HOWEVER, my question is . . . is this connected to Homeland Security OR is it connected to more small packages being put together by ancestry.com that people will have to purchase in order to get the "full blown" US collection? If that is what is going on, then it does anger me . . . you purchase one thing and you end up with something different!! When things like this happen without explanation, it gives one pause to consider the REASON!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hcounter@aol.com> To: <minnesota@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] Minnesota Birth Index > > In a message dated 10/22/2006 3:08:41 PM Central Daylight Time, > jreck@ecenet.com writes: > > well you can't get information about births at any courthouse that I've > contacted either, most of them will verify info if you have it all > written > and they go to the ledger, but some won't even do that much. > > And this is not just for MN, pick a name to type in on ancestry and look > that birth column . . . just lists the state! > > > > So we are back to doing some research the hard way. Mail shots, etc. > That > is what I used when I first started this hobby 30+ years ago, and can do > it > again. It actually netted me many more "live" cousins that I have gotten > to > know than just using info on the net has done. > > Annie in Minnesota > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MINNESOTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MINNESOTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I held back... but, you can't get much information for identity theft from genealogy. You can find someone that indicates who they are and they will be back in the old country for a week, just add their address and you might have a burglary. Most identity theft are family and/or friends. I also could get more from your garbage or mail than you could ever get from genealogy. If I have your date of birth and address, that won't get me much. I still need to know where you bank or have financial documents. If I get your medical data, then I could possibly get some of your medical insurance to pay for my problems. I STILL need your Social Security Number for a lot of access. I still need your drivers license info. Yes, I can make a fraudulent license with your name, address and DOB, but... I was in federal law enforcement as a Special Agent for 31 years. If you want to protect yourself, get a computer firewall. Get a paper shredder and shred all documents that have your bank account or other financial information. Get a mail box that requires you to use a key to get it, or a USPS mail box. Do not advertise that you are going to Norway between June 14 and July 5. Someone could find out where you live and see just who might take care of your house and when they're gone. I saw more Identity theft from bank employees than common strangers. I saw more IRS employees accessing friends and family. These same IRS employees had your SSN, home address and bank account where you had your refund check sent. But, these one percent dishonest were being tracked. Your local grocery or other store, had your check...does it have your address and phone number and bank account number... Do you shred your papers or just put them in the garbage? For a "secret password question", do you use your mothers maiden name? If so, stop doing that...BUT, unless they know more about you, even that isn't enough. I could give you my date of birth and address...RIGHT NOW, just try to open a credit card account with that. Add my mothers maiden name...so what. You need my Social Security Number. You probably will need my phone number. So, you use a fictious address, but, I've put a lock on new accounts. No, an ancestors date of birth, or even a living persons date of birth is not enough. ON THE OTHER HAND. We now live in a free society. If we start withholding information for genealogy. Then let's withhold anyone from accessing genealogy records. If you're not a family member and can prove it, you can't access the information. You can not access the phone number or address of another. We will need to hold ALL personal information from the internet. Then, we will stop allowing people to access any public records at any local, state or federal level. We will not allow ANYONE to access ANY information on ANYONE. This starts an iron curtain (an old phrase for the Soviet Empire) on information. Soon, we will not be able to look at our neighbors property without fear of violating personal privacy laws. Who will watch this? EVERYONE will be watching EVERYONE. Fear causes fear, which causes fear. "What we have to fear is fear itself". Ron Bestrom

Ron Thanks for sharing this. Very helpful, very interesting, and very reassuring that my shredder and computer firewall were good purchases ;) Have a great day! Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Bestrom <RBestrom@earthlink.net> Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:17 am Subject: [MINNESOTA] Identity Theft To: minnesota@rootsweb.com > I held back... but, you can't get much information for identity > theft from > genealogy. You can find someone that indicates who they are and > they will > be back in the old country for a week, just add their address and > you might > have a burglary. > > Most identity theft are family and/or friends. I also could get > more from > your garbage or mail than you could ever get from genealogy. If I > have your > date of birth and address, that won't get me much. I still need > to know > where you bank or have financial documents. If I get your medical > data, > then I could possibly get some of your medical insurance to pay > for my > problems. I STILL need your Social Security Number for a lot of > access. I > still need your drivers license info. Yes, I can make a > fraudulent license > with your name, address and DOB, but... > > I was in federal law enforcement as a Special Agent for 31 years. > If you > want to protect yourself, get a computer firewall. Get a paper > shredder and > shred all documents that have your bank account or other financial > information. Get a mail box that requires you to use a key to get > it, or a > USPS mail box. Do not advertise that you are going to Norway > between June > 14 and July 5. Someone could find out where you live and see just > who might > take care of your house and when they're gone. > > I saw more Identity theft from bank employees than common > strangers. I saw > more IRS employees accessing friends and family. These same IRS > employees > had your SSN, home address and bank account where you had your > refund check > sent. But, these one percent dishonest were being tracked. Your > local > grocery or other store, had your check...does it have your address > and phone > number and bank account number... Do you shred your papers or > just put them > in the garbage? For a "secret password question", do you use your > mothers > maiden name? If so, stop doing that...BUT, unless they know more > about you, > even that isn't enough. > > I could give you my date of birth and address...RIGHT NOW, just > try to open > a credit card account with that. Add my mothers maiden name...so > what. You > need my Social Security Number. You probably will need my phone > number. > So, you use a fictious address, but, I've put a lock on new accounts. > > No, an ancestors date of birth, or even a living persons date of > birth is > not enough. > > ON THE OTHER HAND. We now live in a free society. If we start > withholding > information for genealogy. Then let's withhold anyone from > accessing > genealogy records. If you're not a family member and can prove > it, you > can't access the information. You can not access the phone > number or > address of another. We will need to hold ALL personal information > from the > internet. Then, we will stop allowing people to access any public > records > at any local, state or federal level. We will not allow ANYONE to > access > ANY information on ANYONE. This starts an iron curtain (an old > phrase for > the Soviet Empire) on information. Soon, we will not be able to > look at our > neighbors property without fear of violating personal privacy > laws. Who > will watch this? EVERYONE will be watching EVERYONE. Fear causes > fear, > which causes fear. "What we have to fear is fear itself". > > Ron Bestrom > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MINNESOTA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

THANK YOU RON!!! I was not shouting with anger, I am shouting with glee, because finally someone tells "it" like it really is!!! I attempted to get an aunt's death certificate a year ago . . . unless I could prove the line of descendancy, I could not get it!!! I will say that I did find a person in that office who went out on a limb and told me the cemetery where she was buried, but I could not get her death certificate!!! I could not prove a line of descendancy without first getting her birth certificate to prove she was my father's sister . . . I decided to check with family and get a copy from them!!! Jeanine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bestrom" <RBestrom@earthlink.net> To: <minnesota@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: [MINNESOTA] Identity Theft >I held back... but, you can't get much information for identity theft from > genealogy. You can find someone that indicates who they are and they will > be back in the old country for a week, just add their address and you > might > have a burglary. > > Most identity theft are family and/or friends. I also could get more from > your garbage or mail than you could ever get from genealogy. If I have > your > date of birth and address, that won't get me much. I still need to know > where you bank or have financial documents. If I get your medical data, > then I could possibly get some of your medical insurance to pay for my > problems. I STILL need your Social Security Number for a lot of access. > I > still need your drivers license info. Yes, I can make a fraudulent > license > with your name, address and DOB, but... > > I was in federal law enforcement as a Special Agent for 31 years. If you > want to protect yourself, get a computer firewall. Get a paper shredder > and > shred all documents that have your bank account or other financial > information. Get a mail box that requires you to use a key to get it, or > a > USPS mail box. Do not advertise that you are going to Norway between June > 14 and July 5. Someone could find out where you live and see just who > might > take care of your house and when they're gone. > > I saw more Identity theft from bank employees than common strangers. I > saw > more IRS employees accessing friends and family. These same IRS employees > had your SSN, home address and bank account where you had your refund > check > sent. But, these one percent dishonest were being tracked. Your local > grocery or other store, had your check...does it have your address and > phone > number and bank account number... Do you shred your papers or just put > them > in the garbage? For a "secret password question", do you use your mothers > maiden name? If so, stop doing that...BUT, unless they know more about > you, > even that isn't enough. > > I could give you my date of birth and address...RIGHT NOW, just try to > open > a credit card account with that. Add my mothers maiden name...so what. > You > need my Social Security Number. You probably will need my phone number. > So, you use a fictious address, but, I've put a lock on new accounts. > > No, an ancestors date of birth, or even a living persons date of birth is > not enough. > > ON THE OTHER HAND. We now live in a free society. If we start withholding > information for genealogy. Then let's withhold anyone from accessing > genealogy records. If you're not a family member and can prove it, you > can't access the information. You can not access the phone number or > address of another. We will need to hold ALL personal information from > the > internet. Then, we will stop allowing people to access any public records > at any local, state or federal level. We will not allow ANYONE to access > ANY information on ANYONE. This starts an iron curtain (an old phrase for > the Soviet Empire) on information. Soon, we will not be able to look at > our > neighbors property without fear of violating personal privacy laws. Who > will watch this? EVERYONE will be watching EVERYONE. Fear causes fear, > which causes fear. "What we have to fear is fear itself". > > Ron Bestrom > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MINNESOTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Meandering . . . Love your handle!! I HAVE hit the impossible however . . . and with all the records we can access in this world I cannot find my great grandfather, Lucius Root, and that isn't that far back in my ancestry!!! But, my question is still . . . is it for Homeland Security or is it for Ancestry to sell other smaller packages to complete the information we can access??? They say their programmers are busy on the problem and hope it isn't too frustrating for us!! Jeanine ----- Original Message ----- From: "webachel" <webachel@wolf.co.net> To: <minnesota@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] Minnesota Birth Index > Jeanine: > > It isn't so much Ancestry's fault for changing the rules as for the > criminal > element in the country and the mis-appropriation of ones identity. > Identity > theft has turned into a number one problem for financial institutions and > even for us ... those researching the dead. It makes the task of tracking > our ancestors more difficult however, it's not impossible. > > Shelia B. > Meandering Minnesota Meadows > webachel@wolf.co.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: minnesota-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:minnesota-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jeanine Reckinger > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:12 AM > To: minnesota@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] Minnesota Birth Index > > back I the days of "snail mail" it was not unusual for me to go through > three 100-stamp rolls per month . . . I put them on return envelopes that > I > addressed or I added post cards with my phone number etc. I found info > that > > is and never will be on the net, little churches, little cemeteries . . . > many things . . . tracked things down by phone too . . . however, not to > have the dates of those over 100 years old is going to make it very tough > to > > do our tracing back that far . . . at best they weren't all listed, but > those that were at least ruled out certain places you didn't need to look > . > . . > > HOWEVER, my question is . . . is this connected to Homeland Security OR is > it connected to more small packages being put together by ancestry.com > that > people will have to purchase in order to get the "full blown" US > collection? > > If that is what is going on, then it does anger me . . . you purchase one > thing and you end up with something different!! When things like this > happen without explanation, it gives one pause to consider the REASON!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Hcounter@aol.com> > To: <minnesota@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:51 AM > Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] Minnesota Birth Index > > >> >> In a message dated 10/22/2006 3:08:41 PM Central Daylight Time, >> jreck@ecenet.com writes: >> >> well you can't get information about births at any courthouse that I've >> contacted either, most of them will verify info if you have it all >> written >> and they go to the ledger, but some won't even do that much. >> >> And this is not just for MN, pick a name to type in on ancestry and look >> that birth column . . . just lists the state! >> >> >> >> So we are back to doing some research the hard way. Mail shots, etc. >> That >> is what I used when I first started this hobby 30+ years ago, and can do >> it >> again. It actually netted me many more "live" cousins that I have >> gotten > >> to >> know than just using info on the net has done. >> >> Annie in Minnesota >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MINNESOTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MINNESOTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MINNESOTA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >