I am trying to find the marriage record of my great-great grandparents: Ove & Kari Oveson. Here's some background on them: Ove was born 17 July 1838 in Vang, Valdres, Norway. He emigrated from Bergen on 13 April 1861. According to his membership paperwork for the Valdres Samband he was married in Decorah in 1863. His next listed residence is Hastings, Minnesota. Kari Iversdatter was born 30 November 1845 in Gran, Oppland, Norway to Iver Johansen and Gubjør Torgersdatter. They emigrated 28 April 1848. I have found their family as "Johnson" in the 1850 Norway Twsp, Racine Co., WI census page 147A and in the 1860 Springfield Twsp, Winneshiek Co., IA census page 687. Kari Iversdatter in these and subsequent census & other records has been known as Caroline/Carrie Johnson. Ove & Kari's first daughter, Ingeborg/Isabelle, was born 24 July 1863 in Minnesota according to church and census records. >From all this information, I would guess that Ove & Kari were married 1861 - 1863 in Winneshiek Co., IA, Dakota Co., MN or some place in between. Unfortunately, I do not have knowledge/access to any records that would help in the search. Any assistance or direction you can provide as to their marriage would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :) Becky

Hi Crow Wing County List Members, Looking for any information on Tillie B. Rohr, Died 7/8/1952 Crow Wing County, MN. Maiden name Schmidt. Don`t know where in Crow Wing County she was buried. She had at least one daughter name Bernetta, believe she lived in the Twin Cities. Husband was Benard Rohr (no other info on him). They also lived around the Twin Cities. Thanks for any information on this family. Patrick

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Dear Members: I can appreciate the pros and cons of the dilemma of the Historical Society. However, any remarks not directly related to research or genealogy, on this list are inappropriate. Please refrain from any more comments, either way, concerning the financial crisis of the Society. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter Scarlett G. Donahue List Administrator WdnThings@aol.com

I see three farms name Blilie in the 1865 census for Oppland. But, I don't see Peder on any of those Blilie farms. Oppland 000001 0529 vestre Toten 000002 0534 Gran Looks like the one in Vestre Toten would be the one that you are after. This may be them?! Digitalarkivet: 1865-telling for 0529 Vestre Toten. [118847/42] All rights: Digitalarkivet Record 598 of 1358/7534 total in The database Distriknr Side Skoledistrikt Sogn Prestegjeld Gardsnavn Merknad (gard) Overskrift 598 6 153 Søndre Ejnastrand Aas Hoved-Sogn og Kolbo Annex Vestre Thoten Petersbakken 654b 1 Personnr Husholdning Fornavn Etternavn Familiestatus Yrke Sivilstand Alder Kjønn Fødested Stort kveg Får Blandkorn Havre Poteter 3461 17 1 Peder Jakobs. Husfader Gaardbr og Selvejer g 57 m Vestre Thoten 1 1 1 1/2 1 3 3462 18 Maria Andersd. hans Kone g 48 k Østre Thoten 3463 19 Anthon Peders. deres Søn ug 14 mVestre Thoten 3464 20 Jakob Peders. deres Søn ug 12 m Vestre Thoten Kathy Vickie Epson wrote: > Seeking information on : > > Peder Jakobsen Blilie b 9-10-1809 in Oppland, Norway, died in 1881 in Fillmore Co, MN. Was married to Maria Andersdatter Boxrud b 1818 in Norway, died after 1880 in Fillmore ? MN. Am looking for parents or siblings of Peder and date of death on Maria. In 1880 census, they were living with their youngest son, Jakob Pederson (who later went by the name of Blilie). Jakob was married to Minnie Scholl, they had two children, Philip Blilie, b 4-10-1912 and Donald Blilie b 1914. I believe this family farmed in the area of Canton. They Blilie line has driven me nuts for years. Any help would be appreciated. Please and thank you. > > Vickie in Wisconsin > > ==== MINNESOTA Mailing List ==== > Join the Rootsweb WorldConnect Project! Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://www.worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would also strongly recommend the Norwegian Digital Archives for anyone doing research on Norwegian ancestors. I've found some of my ancestors in the Norway census records and in the immigration databases. It's wonderful. http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/ Kathy in MN JMcIntyre wrote: > Hi Vickie, > > Just a couple of thoughts that popped into my head. Are you on the > NOR-OPPLAND mailing list? If not that might be another good place to > place your query. I looked up Blilie on the Minnesota Death Certificate > site http://people.mnhs.org/dci/. There were 32. Maybe reading the names > could give you a clue as to whether or not any of them are yours. > Unfortunately the site doesn't have any deaths before 1908. > > Regards, > Judy McIntyre > > ==== MINNESOTA Mailing List ==== > To view completed census transcriptions online, go to: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/inv/index.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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Hi Vickie, Just a couple of thoughts that popped into my head. Are you on the NOR-OPPLAND mailing list? If not that might be another good place to place your query. I looked up Blilie on the Minnesota Death Certificate site http://people.mnhs.org/dci/. There were 32. Maybe reading the names could give you a clue as to whether or not any of them are yours. Unfortunately the site doesn't have any deaths before 1908. Regards, Judy McIntyre

Seeking information on : Peder Jakobsen Blilie b 9-10-1809 in Oppland, Norway, died in 1881 in Fillmore Co, MN. Was married to Maria Andersdatter Boxrud b 1818 in Norway, died after 1880 in Fillmore ? MN. Am looking for parents or siblings of Peder and date of death on Maria. In 1880 census, they were living with their youngest son, Jakob Pederson (who later went by the name of Blilie). Jakob was married to Minnie Scholl, they had two children, Philip Blilie, b 4-10-1912 and Donald Blilie b 1914. I believe this family farmed in the area of Canton. They Blilie line has driven me nuts for years. Any help would be appreciated. Please and thank you. Vickie in Wisconsin

Dear Listers - This mailing list is meant for helpful, educational and hopefully a friendly exchange of genealogy information. Enough personal attacks and discussions about socially charged issues like taxes. Let's get back to putting our energy into our common interest - pursuing and learning about the lives and history of those who came before us. Vickie in Wisconsin

What is the address to unsubscribe? -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Buck [mailto:mrbuck@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:45 PM To: MINNESOTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MINNESOTA] MN Historical Society...from the director Isn't that a little overboard. You didn't really read what I was saying. I see I've touched a nerve and will let you sit with that as anything I will say will just go over your head. The point I was trying to make is that there are other solutions than just always raising taxes, but I see you are a big fat democrat who enjoys raising taxes in order to fund your wants in this society. Yes, they do need money, but maybe trying other avenues such as fundraisers would be the wiser thing to do than to pass it on to Minnesota residents...it was just a thought and by no means did I mean we should not pay taxes. But I guess its all or nothing with you, so I will let you be. Michelle -----Original Message----- From: ETM (State of Virginia) [mailto:etm1935@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 8:21 PM To: Michelle Buck Cc: MINNESOTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] MN Historical Society...from the director Oh, I agree. Shut down all monies to schools (my children are all grown and no longer need any schooling) and probably shut down funding to retirement homes as well (I plan to die of old age or a bullet in my own home), and please, stop building roads, paying for police and fire services, and let us all live in peace, just as our ancestors did in prehistoric times. I have my club ready to protect what I keep from paying in taxes for this frivolous items. What the heck, no one minds paying $29 for a social security application form. Why not pay directly here as well? Just sock it to us, baby! Who needs genealogical records anyway? Elaine Drawing on my fine command of the English language, I said nothing. --Robert Benchley Hello Michelle On Sunday, May 18, 2003, you wrote > All sorts of programs in MN are facing budget cuts, not just MN > Historical Society. I use the MN Historical Society some, but I don't > feel raising my taxes is really right. I agree--bake sales, > donations, membership due increase, raise the cost of copies or other > records but please don't raise my taxes for the few times I actually > use the MN Historical Society. > Its like the education system wanting money. If they would lay off a > few administrators that get paid $100,000 a year for doing nothing > than maybe you could budget and save your schools. But instead you > pass that on to the people of MN and our taxes go way up. I have a > slab of land that is so small and I have to pay about 1800 a year for > that small patch of grass just because they passed a levy in Woodbury > for the school system--which my kids don't even attend. Its pathetic. > So in my opinion, do what the private schools do when they need > money--have a fund raiser or some kind of drive to make money. Don't > pass another tax onto the hard working people of Minnesota. > Thank you. > Michelle > -----Original Message----- > From: Patman7730219468@cs.com [mailto:Patman7730219468@cs.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:03 PM > To: MINNESOTA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] MN Historical Society...from the director > How about having bake sales, ask for donations, raise prices on > admission/death certificates, etc. Cut my taxes permanently. Make it my > option where I want to spend the money I work for. Call your legislator > and > tell them to cut more of the money I work for. Thanks Patrick ==== MINNESOTA Mailing List ==== "It is not the length of life, but depth of life." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Isn't that a little overboard. You didn't really read what I was saying. I see I've touched a nerve and will let you sit with that as anything I will say will just go over your head. The point I was trying to make is that there are other solutions than just always raising taxes, but I see you are a big fat democrat who enjoys raising taxes in order to fund your wants in this society. Yes, they do need money, but maybe trying other avenues such as fundraisers would be the wiser thing to do than to pass it on to Minnesota residents...it was just a thought and by no means did I mean we should not pay taxes. But I guess its all or nothing with you, so I will let you be. Michelle -----Original Message----- From: ETM (State of Virginia) [mailto:etm1935@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 8:21 PM To: Michelle Buck Cc: MINNESOTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] MN Historical Society...from the director Oh, I agree. Shut down all monies to schools (my children are all grown and no longer need any schooling) and probably shut down funding to retirement homes as well (I plan to die of old age or a bullet in my own home), and please, stop building roads, paying for police and fire services, and let us all live in peace, just as our ancestors did in prehistoric times. I have my club ready to protect what I keep from paying in taxes for this frivolous items. What the heck, no one minds paying $29 for a social security application form. Why not pay directly here as well? Just sock it to us, baby! Who needs genealogical records anyway? Elaine Drawing on my fine command of the English language, I said nothing. --Robert Benchley Hello Michelle On Sunday, May 18, 2003, you wrote > All sorts of programs in MN are facing budget cuts, not just MN > Historical Society. I use the MN Historical Society some, but I don't > feel raising my taxes is really right. I agree--bake sales, > donations, membership due increase, raise the cost of copies or other > records but please don't raise my taxes for the few times I actually > use the MN Historical Society. > Its like the education system wanting money. If they would lay off a > few administrators that get paid $100,000 a year for doing nothing > than maybe you could budget and save your schools. But instead you > pass that on to the people of MN and our taxes go way up. I have a > slab of land that is so small and I have to pay about 1800 a year for > that small patch of grass just because they passed a levy in Woodbury > for the school system--which my kids don't even attend. Its pathetic. > So in my opinion, do what the private schools do when they need > money--have a fund raiser or some kind of drive to make money. Don't > pass another tax onto the hard working people of Minnesota. > Thank you. > Michelle > -----Original Message----- > From: Patman7730219468@cs.com [mailto:Patman7730219468@cs.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:03 PM > To: MINNESOTA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] MN Historical Society...from the director > How about having bake sales, ask for donations, raise prices on > admission/death certificates, etc. Cut my taxes permanently. Make it my > option where I want to spend the money I work for. Call your legislator > and > tell them to cut more of the money I work for. Thanks Patrick

On Digest #Vol. 3, Issue 68 was written: " I think truthfully Social Security is only needed because children don't want their elderly parents in their homes as was done when I was young. " I am a senior citizen; my 4 children all have professional jobs; 2 don't have a spouse; they live 1-7 hours (by plane) from me; their homes are not large, like the old homes you remember; their lives and schedules are different than mine, (as mine was different than my elderly mother, when she was alive) Saying that 'their children' don't want their elderly parents in their home is putting guilt on people who should not have it placed on them. Society is different now. I can remember when my elderly grandmother was alive, the children who lived near her all worked; no one was home during the day. They wanted my mother to quite her job, to take care of their mother (which she did not do, as she needed to support herself ) Well the children who lived near my grandmother, went out and found a man who had lost his wife and persuaded him to marry grandmother and take care of her. No joke. He did; he was OK. I think grandmother was happy they found him. Susanne

I was looking through archives. Did you obtain information per this exchange? Did you use the facilities of the Minnesota Historical Center in St. Paul? Do you subscribe to Ancestry which supports these free Rootsweb mailing lists? Elaine CNIDR Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 206) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:42:49 -0600 From: "Jean R. Legried" <jrl@smig.net> To: MINNESOTA-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20021231224147.00c2ac88@smig.net> Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] Stage Coach Drivers 1860`s-1880`s In Minnesota Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:48 PM 12/31/2002 -0500, Patman7730219468@cs.com wrote: >Hi MN Lists, Can anyone tell me if there is some place to get the names of >Stage Coach Drivers from the 1860`s to the 1880`s in Minnesota? Thanks for >any information, Patrick. Try the Minnesota Historical Center in St. Paul. Jean R. Legried, CGRS Norwegian-American research specialty <jrl@smig.net> Freeborn Co. MNGenWeb Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnfreebo Beginning Genealogy lessons: http://www.rootsweb.com/~newbie Co-editor, VESTLANDET -------------------------------- End of MINNESOTA-D Digest V02 Issue #206 **************************************** I'm going to memorize your name and throw my head away. --Oscar Levant Hello Patman7730219468 On Monday, May 19, 2003, you wrote > I belong to this list to ask questions about historical and genealogical > information. These mail groups are always looking for volunteer > administrators. Key word volunteer. I don`t think sharing information has > anything to do with my taxes paying for others wants. Patrick

I belong to this list to ask questions about historical and genealogical information. These mail groups are always looking for volunteer administrators. Key word volunteer. I don`t think sharing information has anything to do with my taxes paying for others wants. Patrick

Ruth, If read what wrote, is that the elderly need Social Security, in respond to another mailers comments wants and needs. My grandparents died young and my parents are still working in there late sixties, they really can`t afford to retire. So I guess I don`t know what your point is.

Well, now Patrick, you made me finally laugh. Thank you. I think truthfully Social Security is only needed because children don't want their elderly parents in their homes as was done when I was young. But the rest of what you said is quite probably true <big grin>. And, yes, we do indeed need to educate everyone. And public schools are the common denominator that makes this a wonderful country. And, yes, roads are certainly needed if you want to be able to work away from the home or farm and this, indeed, is an industrialized society. So, yes, we are finally in agreement, though we may approach it from different directions. Now, please tell me, WHY ARE YOU SUBSCRIBED TO A GENEALOGY LIST? I think your suggestions do not sound like someone who is interested in history or saving it for the future and, to me, the historical and genealogical "sciences" go hand-in-hand. Best, Elaine Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. --Mark Twain Hello Patman7730219468 On Sunday, May 18, 2003, you wrote > Vladimir Lenin said "The way to crush the Bourgeoisie (middle class) is to > grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. > ********************************* The people decide the wants and > needs of society every time they vote. Why not ask for donations and raise > addmission costs for the few who use it not the many who do not. Roads are > needed for all the people to get to work to pay all the high taxes in this > state. School is needed to educate the kids in this state so they can get > jobs to pay high taxes to take care of your wants. Social security is needed > for the elderly/disabled who couldn`t save there own money because of the > taxes they paid taking care of your wants. Minnesota is changing for the > better. Patrick

Vladimir Lenin said "The way to crush the Bourgeoisie (middle class) is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. ********************************* The people decide the wants and needs of society every time they vote. Why not ask for donations and raise addmission costs for the few who use it not the many who do not. Roads are needed for all the people to get to work to pay all the high taxes in this state. School is needed to educate the kids in this state so they can get jobs to pay high taxes to take care of your wants. Social security is needed for the elderly/disabled who couldn`t save there own money because of the taxes they paid taking care of your wants. Minnesota is changing for the better. Patrick

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] MN Historical Society...from the director Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:16:32 -0500 From: Ruth Cordes <ruth.cordes@gte.net> To: Patman7730219468@cs.com References: <1c1.9c72cd4.2bf9a2bf@cs.com> So I suppose none of your family used Social Security because they all saved enough so they didn't need it. Or probably you paid for their expenses so they wouldn't have to use Social Security. Patman7730219468@cs.com wrote: >Vladimir Lenin said "The way to crush the Bourgeoisie (middle class) is to >grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. >********************************* The people decide the wants and >needs of society every time they vote. Why not ask for donations and raise >addmission costs for the few who use it not the many who do not. Roads are >needed for all the people to get to work to pay all the high taxes in this >state. School is needed to educate the kids in this state so they can get >jobs to pay high taxes to take care of your wants. Social security is needed >for the elderly/disabled who couldn`t save there own money because of the >taxes they paid taking care of your wants. Minnesota is changing for the >better. Patrick > > >==== MINNESOTA Mailing List ==== >To view completed census transcriptions online, go to: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/inv/index.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Who makes the decision about what are wants and needs? I suggest that schools aren't necessary, because I no longer *need* them, roads because I no longer commute, social security is a big if if the current efforts to gut it continue. Do I want to pay for anything that would aid your genealogy research? Not on your life. I'm only interested in "me and mine". I can afford to buy the records IF the library and historical systems still stand. I suspect they aren't going to make the state budget cuts. Oh, well, one more nicety of the past. Elaine If you treat people right they will treat you right - ninety percent of the time. --Franklin D. Roosevelt Hello Patman7730219468 On Sunday, May 18, 2003, you wrote > There`s a difference between wants and needs. School, Roads, Social Security > are needs. If you don`t mind paying for my genealogy wants, send me your > paychecks, if you have a job. Patrick