Name Age in 1920 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1920 (City,County,State) View Census? Johnson, Charlotte 58 1861 Sweden White Denver, Denver, Colorado Johnson, Charlotte 58 1861 Sweden White Moorhead, Clay, Minnesota The one in Minnesota is a widow and living with two sons, came to America in 1882 or 1887. Margit

Jean, There are two person named "Ole Johnson" in the Mn Death Index http://people.mnhs.org/dci/Search.cfm, living in Nobles county at the time of their deaths (Worthington is in Nobles county). There is also a Mrs. Carl Johnson shown there, if she could possibly the son's wife. You may be able to obtain information from the death certificates by calling the county courthouse - search for it at www.google.com. When searching the MN Death Index site above - strange as it may seem - sometimes you have to put in "Mr" or "Mrs", with and without the periods, before the name. The name will not come up without the "prefix" if it was entered that way onto the site to start with. So it's always good to try it with the prefixes when you can't find the name alone. Might also try the soundex option - plus, you can search by mother's maiden name if you know it. Any additional information you can give could be helpful to those who can help you search. You could also try a historical society in Worthington for help. Good luck, Carole Johnson At 11:46 AM 4/5/2004, you wrote: >I'm still looking for my grandfather's brother and his family. Olof Johnson >(Johannesson) age 30 (1887) came to US from Sweden in 1887 heading for >Worthington (according to Emigrant CD) with his wife Charlotte age 26 and >son Carl Oska age 2. I know they lived in MN as my dad's half sister's used >to talk about going to visit them in the 20's & early 30's. I have not been >able to locate them on census, the death records on line don't give birth >dates so can't find that way either. I don't know when they died, or where, >I have traced the family back in Sweden for 5 generation with no trouble. >Have even found the other brother Carl who settled in Ridgway, PA with his >family. Too many Olof's in MN, even tried Olie, no luck. Any ideas?? >Jean,still stuck at my brick wall.

Dennis, in no way was I trying to offend you with my post about children as Indentured Servants. This topic has been a lively one in our local genealogy group. We have learned many things: 1) Many reasons why children were not raised by their birth parents years ago 2) What became of these children 3) In many states woman could NOT keep their children after the husband/father died. The court took possession of them. The woman could walk out of court without her own children. Sometimes this changed after women were allowed to vote and own property. Her ability to support the children and raise them was taken into question. No Day Care Centers and good jobs for women years ago. The orphanages/state schools were an alternative. Indenture gave these children the opportunity to learn a trade to support themselves. (today we could call it “Work-Study”, Cooperative Education) It was up to the child then as it is now, to learn the trade while doing tasks. An alternative to the institution was that the child could become ‘a street urchin’ 4) Why people/families keep secrets: Stories are silenced for six reasons: 1. Someone breaks the code of society 2. The family underestimates the worth of the story 3. People do not understand the experience 4. The shame is so great that the event is sealed to protect the family 5. The family would rather keep the peace 6. It is easier to avoid the anger My post was to share with others, including you, what we have learned in our group Susanne

Name Age in 1920 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1920 (City,County,State) View Census? Johnson, Olaf 63 1856 Sweden White Inverness, Citrus, Florida Johnson, Olaf 63 1856 Sweden White Chicago, Cook, Illinois Johnson, Olaf 63 1856 Sweden White Geneva, Kane, Illinois Johnson, Olaf F 63 1856 Sweden White Mulino, Clackamas, Oregon Name Age in 1920 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1920 (City,County,State) View Census? Johnson, Olaf 62 1857 Sweden White New Haven, New Haven, Connecticut Johnson, Olaf 62 1857 Sweden White Chicago, Cook, Illinois Johnson, Olaf 62 1857 Sweden White Newberry, Luce, Michigan Johnson, Olaf H 62 1857 Sweden White Rush, Chisago, Minnesota Johnson, Olaf 62 1857 Sweden White Omaha, Douglas, Nebraska Johnson, Olaf 62 1857 Sweden White Akron, Summit, Ohio Johnson, Olaf W 62 1857 Sweden White South Bend, Pacific, Washington Johnson, Olaf 62 1857 Sweden White Koshkonong, Jefferson, Wisconsin Name Age in 1920 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1920 (City,County,State) View Census? Johnson, Olaf 61 1858 Sweden White San Francisco, San Francisco, California Johnson, Olaf m 61 1858 Sweden White Casco, Allegan, Michigan

Name Age in 1920 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1920 (City,County,State) View Census? Johnson, Olof 61 1858 Sweden White Castroville, Monterey, California Johnson, Olof 61 1858 Sweden White Kewanee, Henry, Illinois Johnson, Olof 61 1858 Sweden White Joliet, Will, Illinois Johnson, Olof 61 1858 Sweden White Mineral, Cherokee, Kansas Johnson, Olof 61 1858 Sweden White Freehold, Monmouth, New Jersey Johnson, Olof M 61 1858 Sweden White Ridgway, Elk, Pennsylvania Name Age in 1920 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1920 (City,County,State) View Census? Johnson, Olof 62 1857 Sweden White Turlock, Stanislaus, California Johnson, Olof 62 1857 Sweden White Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts Johnson, Olof A 62 1857 Sweden White Trade Lake, Burnett, Wisconsin Name Age in 1920 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1920 (City,County,State) View Census? Johnson, Olof 63 1856 Sweden White Blue Valley, Pottawatomie, Kansas Johnson, Olof 63 1856 Sweden White Lynn, Essex, Massachusetts Johnson, Olof 63 1856 Sweden White Lee, Aitkin, Minnesota Johnson, Olof 63 1856 Sweden White Brooklyn, Kings, New York Johnson, Olof 63 1856 Sweden White Morean, Harding, South Dakota > I'm still looking for my grandfather's brother and his family. Olof Johnson > (Johannesson) age 30 (1887) came to US from Sweden in 1887 heading for > Worthington (according to Emigrant CD) with his wife Charlotte age 26 and > son Carl Oska age 2. I know they lived in MN as my dad's half sister's used > to talk about going to visit them in the 20's & early 30's. I have not been > able to locate them on census, the death records on line don't give birth > dates so can't find that way either. I don't know when they died, or where, > I have traced the family back in Sweden for 5 generation with no trouble. > Have even found the other brother Carl who settled in Ridgway, PA with his > family. Too many Olof's in MN, even tried Olie, no luck. Any ideas?? > Jean,still stuck at my brick wall.

Jean, You need to give birthdates. :-)) Can't search census without them. Margit > I'm still looking for my grandfather's brother and his family. Olof Johnson > (Johannesson) age 30 (1887) came to US from Sweden in 1887 heading for > Worthington (according to Emigrant CD) with his wife Charlotte age 26 and > son Carl Oska age 2. I know they lived in MN as my dad's half sister's used > to talk about going to visit them in the 20's & early 30's. I have not been > able to locate them on census, the death records on line don't give birth > dates so can't find that way either. I don't know when they died, or where, > I have traced the family back in Sweden for 5 generation with no trouble. > Have even found the other brother Carl who settled in Ridgway, PA with his > family. Too many Olof's in MN, even tried Olie, no luck. Any ideas?? > Jean,still stuck at my brick wall.

I think that Paddlec1@aol.com has a bad attitude towards people whom he has asked for help and then doesn't like the answer he get's, so is rude to the very same people who are trying to help him. Never even once said "Thank You"!! I think a lot of other people on this list would agree with me. Lanah

1930 U.S. Federal Census > Minnesota > Morrison > Motley > District 28 Charles W. Akins age 45, born in Wisconsin, father born in Wisconsin, mother born in Wisconsin. Still proprieter of a garage Myrtle, wife, age 45 born in Kansas, father born in Minnesota, mother born in New York Ora G., daugther, age 21, born in Minnesota > I'm seeking information on Charles Aitkin, who ran a garage business in > Motley MN in the 1920s and 30s. > > The Charles Aitkin I am looking for was born in or around 1883. He sold > gasoline, oil, and Model T Fords in Motley. I'd like to know where he came > from.

I'm still looking for my grandfather's brother and his family. Olof Johnson (Johannesson) age 30 (1887) came to US from Sweden in 1887 heading for Worthington (according to Emigrant CD) with his wife Charlotte age 26 and son Carl Oska age 2. I know they lived in MN as my dad's half sister's used to talk about going to visit them in the 20's & early 30's. I have not been able to locate them on census, the death records on line don't give birth dates so can't find that way either. I don't know when they died, or where, I have traced the family back in Sweden for 5 generation with no trouble. Have even found the other brother Carl who settled in Ridgway, PA with his family. Too many Olof's in MN, even tried Olie, no luck. Any ideas?? Jean,still stuck at my brick wall.

1920 Federal Census Morrison County MN Motley Village 1920 U.S. Census € Minnesota € Morrison € Motley € ED# 163 Chas. W. Akins head of household, male, white, 35 years of age, Married, born in Wisconsin, father born New York, Mother born Wisconsin, He owns his own garage and is the Proprieter. Myrtle wife, age 35, born in Kansas, Father born Minnesota, mother born New York, bookkeeper at the garage Ora daughter, age 10, born in Minnesota. > > I'm seeking information on Charles Aitkin, who ran a garage business in > Motley MN in the 1920s and 30s. > > The Charles Aitkin I am looking for was born in or around 1883. He sold > gasoline, oil, and Model T Fords in Motley. I'd like to know where he came > from.

In a message dated 4/5/04 9:03:23 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Armndcvr@cs.com writes: << You may need to brush up on your reading/comprehension skills. Dennis Comments like this have been known to get listers kicked of the list. Please be careful. I know that you probably ment no harm but others may complain. Sue >> Hi Sue After the trashing I took yesterday, you think I care??? Dennis

Very well said. This happened with me and my siblings and in 1950 at that ~ ~ some were adopted out ~ ~ others in foster care and/or relatives. There were 11 of us (I am the eldest and past 70) and it took us 38 years to find our twin brothers, who besides being adopted, were adopted separately and did not know they were a twin until they "met" at the age of 40 ~ ~ so please view all sides of any message, the same as one does a story one "hears". Good luck in all your searchings. Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) ----- Original Message ----- From: <SHieber@aol.com> To: <MINNESOTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: [MINNESOTA] Indenture & Secrets > Dennis, in no way was I trying to offend you with my post about children as > Indentured Servants. This topic has been a lively one in our local genealogy > group. We have learned many things: > > 1) Many reasons why children were not raised by their birth parents > years ago > 2) What became of these children > 3) In many states woman could NOT keep their children after the > husband/father died. The court took possession of them. The woman could walk out of > court without her own children. Sometimes this changed after women were > allowed to vote and own property. Her ability to support the children and raise > them was taken into question. No Day Care Centers and good jobs for women years > ago. The orphanages/state schools were an alternative. Indenture gave these > children the opportunity to learn a trade to support themselves. (today we > could call it “Work-Study”, Cooperative Education) It was up to the child > then as it is now, to learn the trade while doing tasks. An alternative to the > institution was that the child could become ‘a street urchin’ > 4) Why people/families keep secrets: > > Stories are silenced for six reasons: > 1. Someone breaks the code of society > 2. The family underestimates the worth of the story > 3. People do not understand the experience > 4. The shame is so great that the event is sealed to protect the family > 5. The family would rather keep the peace > 6. It is easier to avoid the anger > > My post was to share with others, including you, what we have learned in our > group > > Susanne > > > ==== MINNESOTA Mailing List ==== > Join the Rootsweb WorldConnect Project! Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://www.worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 4/4/04 9:22:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, rbestrom@earthlink.net writes: << You asked for the Charles Aitkin that died in 1934, now you say you don't want that one. There are only 5 Charles Aitkin in the US in the 1930 census. Based on your limited information, I believe that this is probably the person you seek, the background suits. >> Following are exact quotes in (in order) from the three different massages I wrote on this matter yesterday. You may need to brush up on your reading/comprehension skills. Dennis I'm seeking information on Charles Aitkin, who ran a garage business in Motley MN in the 1920s and 30s. The Charles Aitkin I am looking for was born in or around 1883. He sold gasoline, oil, and Model T Fords in Motley. I'd like to know where he came from. I think that may be the Charles Aitikin that passed away in 1934, and don't think he is the one I'm looking for. The Charles Aitkin (grandfather) I'm looking for would have been 40 in 1924 (according to my father's birth certificate). My grandfather may have been of mixed blood as well, don't know yet.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Wanda Gonzalez <mygeneologytree@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Anyone know what happened to HeadstoneHunter.com? I've been > trying to get on it for a couple weeks and it comes up saying > the page cannot be found. I didn't know if they were updating > their site, out of business or what? The Whois registry report for that domain: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=HeadstoneHunter.com says: Record updated on 2003-03-02 21:12:24 Record created on 2000-03-15 Record expires on 2004-03-15 Their Domain Name registration has expired. That would explain why their site is no longer accessible. Their hosting service has taken it down. -- John Van Essen <vanes002@umn.edu> University of Minnesota Alumnus Fridley, Minnesota Genealogy page: http://www.cpl.umn.edu/~jve/gen/ Crow Wing Co Gen & Hist Soc page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mncwcghs/

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I think that may be the Charles Aitikin that passed away in 1934, and don't think he is the one I'm looking for. The Charles Aitkin (grandfather) I'm looking for would have been 40 in 1924 (according to my father's birth certificate). My grandfather may have been of mixed blood as well, don't know yet. Thanks, Dennis In a message dated 4/4/04 3:18:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, rbestrom@earthlink.net writes: << > The Charles Aitkin I am looking for was born in or around 1883. He sold > gasoline, oil, and Model T Fords in Motley. I'd like to know where he came from. The 1930 Census shows: Charles and Ida Aitkin, he 62, estimated birth year 1867, she 64, both born in Minnesota. His father was of mixed blood. Ida's father was full blood Indian. Living in Turtle Lake, Cass County, MN. He was first married at 20, she at 16, so possible both had previous marriages. He is identified as not being able to speak English. The 1920 Census shows: They are living in the same place. Charles identified as being 50, wife is 54. The copy is VERY bad, wife's name is Kay...something...Olaw or something. THere are two others in the household, I can't tell what the relationship is; but both are male, one 18, the other 21. >>

Oh I am sorry! What is it called? -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Goold [mailto:bagoold@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 3:15 PM To: Malibu Subject: Re: [MINNESOTA] Indentured Servant This is not a message board. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malibu" <c99malibu@cox.net> To: <MINNESOTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [MINNESOTA] Indentured Servant > If this is what this message board is about, then I guess I don't need it! > Colleen >

Oh, Judy thank you so much! How could that be? A long time ago a lady sent me a partial 1910 MN census w/them on it. That is why I knew that they were in MN in 1910. Do you suppose that K/Catherine was visiting her parents in MN, and John was home in ND and they both did it? Sigh! Please send me whatever you have. Would love to see it! Jeannie in OR : ) In a message dated 4/4/2004 2:01:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, cajamc@pacbell.net writes: Jeannie, I've found John, Catherine, and their son Frank in the 1910 census in North Dakota, Emmons County, Gayton Dist Series: T624 Roll: 1141 Page: 218. If you'd like a copy of the image let me know, and I'll send it to you. If there is any other census look-up you'd like just say the word. Judy McIntyre

It is available online here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/emmons/census/1910/044-18B.gif Margit > > Oh, Judy thank you so much! > > How could that be? A long time ago a lady sent me a partial 1910 MN census > w/them on it. That is why I knew that they were in MN in 1910. Do you > suppose > that K/Catherine was visiting her parents in MN, and John was home in ND and > they both did it? Sigh! Please send me whatever you have. Would love to see > it! > In a message dated 4/4/2004 2:01:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cajamc@pacbell.net writes: > Jeannie, > > I've found John, Catherine, and their son Frank in the 1910 census in > North Dakota, Emmons County, Gayton Dist Series: T624 Roll: 1141 Page: > 218. If you'd like a copy of the image let me know, and I'll send it to > you. If there is any other census look-up you'd like just say the word.