Hi Betty, Being a PI by trade and nosey by nature, I took the liberty of running a trace on Francis for you. Francis is deceased, but family members (one of whom is also named Francis Tracy) can be found at (1) PO Box 868, Carlsbad, NM 88221, (2) 2200 W. Pierce St, Carlsbad 88220, and (3) phone number 505-885-8316. Best to all, Jim Poole ( a Mims) = = = = = = = = = = == In a message dated 1/8/2005 10:32:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, halbet@angus1841.com writes: Is ther anyone on this list who has any connections with the Mrs. Francis Tracy, of Carlsbad, NM or her descendants. Someone told me that Francis (Frances) and her husband were both dead. Does anyone know her children? thanks, betty in ga ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin and Judy Thomas To: Betty Bivins Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: RE: shadrack mims question