This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/352.2.1 Message Board Post: 4 children is correct. I have the Laramee side back to Guillaume Adam dit Laramee b. 1662 in France. Cloutier is a bit more difficult, I think that I have it back to Zacharie Cloutier and Marie Josephte MANITOUKIE Omagash, but if you have any information I would appreciate it. David