This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bourassa Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/455 Message Board Post: i have info on the Daniel Bourassa b 1752, i have three wifes, .daniel married [1] in jun 22 1780 in st clair co ,il, theotis arnwaiskie. no [2] jul 20,1786 mackinaw,mackinaw co to marguerite Bertrand b 1764[dau of joseph-laurent Bertrand and marie-theresa Dulignon. no [3] Theotis Pitange/Pisange b 1770 d 1840 st marys cem. Linn co,KS. daniel died 1840 st merys cem. linn co KS. Theotis; Potawatomi indian. i also have children by all three wifes, is my info right ??on daniel ?.this info was ginen to me over ten years ago, from ?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/362.2.1.2.1.2 Message Board Post: here is part of the post in which i was referring to because i believed you had said that the Bourassa were pure french or that they had french parents i thought the message read "nowhere had you seen them ever referred to as Native/american/ Potawatomie." Forgive me, i was confused by the wording somehow. I guess you meant that you had not seen "Topinabee "referred to as anything but Native american POtowatomie. sorry for this mistake- I failed to see the "but Native American etc." I am still confused though about the Madeleine >From jplalone@p... Sat Feb 03 06:24:39 2001 Return-Path: <jplalone@p...> X-Sender: jplalone@p... X-Apparently-To: threefiresgenealogy@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 3 Feb 2001 14:24:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 40019 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2001 14:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Feb 2001 14:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pimout3-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.102) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Feb 2001 14:24:37 -0000 Received: from abc (A010-0014.LNSG.splitrock.net [63.254.228.14]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f13EOUS184198 for <threefiresgenealogy@yahoogroups.com>; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c08dec$5c5beb20$0ee4fe3f@abc> To: <threefiresgenealogy@yahoogroups.com> References: <981161149.168.90242.l10@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [threefiresgenealogy] Digest Number 61 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:19:43 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "James P. LaLone" <jplalone@p...> Following my comments is what I have on this BOURASSA line, 1) Where, if I understand your message right, did you determine that Topinabe is Rene BOURASSA II? The dates don't match (at least the dates I have!) Topinabe Sr. was b. 1758 and died 1826, he was the son of Anaquiba & Katabwe. Topinabe Jr. b. 1801-d. c.1840. Nowhere have I ever seen them referred to as anything but Native American/Potawatomi. Rene BOURASSA I, b. 1688-d.?, m. to Agnes GAGNIER Rene BOURASSA II b. 1718-d.1792, m. Anne-Charlotte-Veronique CHEVALIER. Rene BOURASSA III b. 1744-d.? Now, comments on my material below- I have heard that there are two Daniels, but no one has sent me any documentation, also that the two Theotis are the same, again no idea how. Perhaps Daniel left the first wife, married BERTRAND then went back to the first wife if indeed they are the same person?? I don't know, I do have three marriage dates though. As you can see Daniel had two Madeleines, the one did NOT marry her uncle. I think that the Madeleines are indeed Daniels as the baptisimals indicate that but of course the one was years later, so no definite proof, just have to take the church's word. Now I need some clarificitation: under the marriage of Madeleine BOURASSA & Joseph BERTRAND I have two Julias: Julia J. BERTRAND b. 25 May 1823 & Julia Ann? BERTRAND, are they the same or did one die young? Which one is yours and can you tell me which is yours and do you have more info (vital records dates/places, in-laws, names of all children, etc?) Eventually I plan on doing an article on the BOURASSA family of Mackinac for our journal Michigan's Habitant Heritage (pub. by the French-Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan.) Thanks, Jim.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: bourassa topinabee Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/362.2.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: i guess my question is: The wife of Joseph Bertrand is Madeleine Topinabee or Madeleine Bourassa??? ON the Bourassa genealogy she is listed as a Bourassa On the Topinabee genealogy she is listed as Madeleine Topinabee Did Joseph Bertarnd marry twice? Where does the name Topinabee come from? that is what i am asking. The reason i ask at all is because her sister Magdeline married a William McGulpin and i am researching the Martineau's who married their daughter, Eleanora Lena McGulpin. Magdeline is sister of Daniel and sister of Madeleine who married Joseph Bertrand Now is her sister madeleine Bourassa or Madeline Topinabee????? i do not understand this. The name changes. why?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: topinebee bourassa Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/362.2.1.2 Message Board Post: James, on the three fires message board , you said something about not ever seeing a connection of native to the bourassa name. however, under your postings of Bertrand Genealogy Madeline Topinebee is a Bourassa. Now i am not pretending to know what the answers are to this confusing puzzle but you have to check out what i found at deeds and nations: amazing; Topenebee / Topinabee / Topenibe [fl. 1813 onwards; died in 1840], principal Pottawatomie chief from the St. Joseph River, Neshnabek clan; a drunkard according to Hoyt; brother of Chiefs Weesaw, Chebass and Pottawatomie principal woman Kaukema, son of Pottawatomie Chief Anaquiba, uncle of Pottawatomie Chief Tonquish, adoptive brother of Catholic Pottawatomie Chief Pokagon, father of Chief Leopold Pokagon; he opposed the Pottawatomie actions at Fort Dearborn in 1813; he was a Baptist church supporter; presided at and signed the US Greenville Treaty, August 3, 1795; Topenebee the younger signed the US Treaty of Chicago, September 27, 1833, which led to the removal of the Pottawatomie Nation from Michigan (US 1837: 54, 297; Clifton 1975: 30, 55, 99-101; Clifton, Cornell, and McClurken: 52, 62; Tanner: 135, MPHSC vol. XXXV: 149). 'Father, we do not care for the land or the money or the goods offered us. What we want is whisky! Give us whisky!' [said to have been spoken with sarc! asm]— c. 1830 (MPHSC vol. XXXV: 149). I don't know but i thought the treaty was signed in 1821 is this a different treaty? I am going to do some more searching we have Topinabee the "younger" we have an 1840 death date here we have that the younger signed for the removal we have that he is the "adoptive brother of Chief Pokagaon" HMMM???????????????????? here is the url for this site: http://www.adamsheritage.com/deedsnations/references.htm the editorial info:Edited by Frank Davey & Neal Ferris 1996 Occasional Publication of the London Chapter, Ontario Archaeological Society Inc. London Chapter, OAS c/o 55 Centre Street, London, Ontario N6J 1T6 (519) 675-7742 Prepared for the Web by Nick Adams Adams Heritage i found this info to be very interesting Judi Engle

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HGB.2ACI/427.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am related as follows: Ambrose R. Davenport/ Ambrose Davenport, Jr. / James Davenport / Louise Davenport Burroughs / Clifford W. Burroughs / Madeline Snyder / Henry James Mar / Jeffrey Mar (me) I received a family tree from Jean Loehde through my family and am fascinated. I obviously don't have any information on Elizabeth being the daughter of Ezeckiel Solomon and Marie Elizabeth Louise Du Bois; it seems likely. Nice to meet you, cousin! Jeffrey Mar

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HGB.2ACI/427.1.1 Message Board Post: I have info on the Ambrose Davenport line. Just wish I could find that evidence that links Amrose's wife Elisabeth as either being of not being Elisabeth Solomon daughter of Ezekeil Solomon. How do you fit in the Davenport line Jeffrey? I am descended follows: Ambrose R. Davenport>Ambrose Davenport Jr.>Henry Davenport>William George Davenport>Harold Davenport>Donald Davenport Sr.>Donald Davenport Jr (Me). Don

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Solomon Du Bois Davenport Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HGB.2ACI/427.1 Message Board Post: I think that I am a descendant of Ezekiel Solomon and Marie Elizabeth Loise Du Bois, their daughter Elizabeth perhaps married Ambrose R. Davenport. Do you have any further information into this line?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: bourassa Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/362.2.1.1 Message Board Post: if you will, click on the links provided in my post where they are describing the reason they tie rene to chief topinabee. if i remember right.. it is somehow that the indian chief was baptized at mackinac and was given a french name. this is not my idea but what i am reading out there. who are rene's parents??? they claim that rene was given the name of the priest here on the island at the time and there was a boursassa priest at the time in question. i have not had much time to look any further and am working on other families right now. but if you like, check on the links, perhaps you can enlighten.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/362.2.1 Message Board Post: It is extremely unlikely that Rene BOURASSA is Chief Topinabee, both he and his wife are pure French, why would he be an Indian Chief? There is a Chief Topinabee, which I am assuming is the one Rene is identified as, however that Topinabee is the son of Chief Anaquiba or Nanaquiba of the Potawatomis. He died Jul 1826 (Rene was buried 24 Nov 1792 in Detroit, MI).

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith, Martin, Closs, Frazier Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/454 Message Board Post: I am looking for the obituary for Nellie Martin Smith she is the daughter of Peter Smith and Jennie Wavel. She was married to David Smith and died October 29, 1945. In 1930 she was a widow living with her mother Jennie and daughter Barbara Smith who later married Roy Closs. Nellie's son Neil married December 25, 1938 Rose Frazier, any information on her would also be appreciated. Neil died in 1951 and I have his obit. Hoping to find a death date listed in her obit for David Smith husband of Nellie. Thanks Jackie

I have seen your email and am wondering if you have any connection to a Thomas A Taylor that was born in St Ignace 1869 and died there 1932. I know Taylor is quite a common name but to the best of my knowledge St Ignace is not very big. I know he had 2 wives Agnes and Ida. Not sure if this helps in making a connection. Any info you can provide would be much appreciated or that I could provide to you. Lynn (from cold but sunny Canada) ----- Original Message ----- From: <moses@montanasky.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [MIMac] St.Ignace..Probate of Will or Obit Look-up Please > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/453 > > Message Board Post: > > Is there someone near St Ignace that could PLEASE do a look-up for me? I'm looking for a will,or the Probate of the Will,or in last resort,an Obit or Death index for WILLIS M TAYLOR date of birth March 27,1876 (Indiana,I believe) Date of Death is June of 1964,he was about 88 years old. he lived in Mackinac Co for 20 or so years (in 1920-30) and owned a house there in which he took in boarders,so I'm thinking he died up there.I am willing to pay for copies,or just getting the info via the board or e-mail..Thank you Lori > >

The following death notice appeared on this morning's Free Press. LOZON DOROTHY M (MOSHER) Age 86. January 5, 2004. Beloved wife of the late Alfred. Loving mother of Roger, Doreen (Bob) Brzostowski, Carol Mosher, James (Kathleen), and Laura (Rick) Cicchetti. Proud grandmother of 15 and great-grandmother of 16. Visitation at The Sterling Heights Chapel of Bagnasco & Calcaterra Funeral Home 13650 E. 15 Mile Rd. (at Schoenherr) Wednesday 4-9 p.m. and Thursday 1-9 p.m. with an evening Rosary service. Funeral service Friday morning at the funeral home. Call Funeral home for times 586-977-7300. Interment Private. Stan swickman@twmi.rr.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/453 Message Board Post: Is there someone near St Ignace that could PLEASE do a look-up for me? I'm looking for a will,or the Probate of the Will,or in last resort,an Obit or Death index for WILLIS M TAYLOR date of birth March 27,1876 (Indiana,I believe) Date of Death is June of 1964,he was about 88 years old. he lived in Mackinac Co for 20 or so years (in 1920-30) and owned a house there in which he took in boarders,so I'm thinking he died up there.I am willing to pay for copies,or just getting the info via the board or e-mail..Thank you Lori

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BOURASSA Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HGB.2ACI/362.2 Message Board Post: i hope you are ready for this... just have been looking up Bourassa in connection with the genealogy of a friend of mine who is a Martineau from Saint Ignace. I have printed about about 25-30 pages now concerning the Bourassa connection because they claim that the ancestor Rene is Chief Topinabee. Now you may embark upon this journey as well. There is much reading to do Many Many Bourassa out there and many links and trees . Here are some places to look. 1)Yahoo Groups: threefiresgenealogy check message 220 this has 15 pages of the bertrand and bourassa lineage. 2)NISHNAWBE-L Archives at Rootsweb.com look for SUBJECT:RE:{NISHNAWBE}Bourassa, Chevalier, Mcgulpin, St. ONge, etc. Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 09:41:34 -0500 Posted by "Betty Kienitz This is the list of the Descendants of Rene-Bourassa-Laronde. the ancestory before rene can be found at genalogy.com Under Surnames Bourassa Family Genealogy http://genforum.genalogy.com/bourassa/messages/370.html there are 13 pages at this post. It goes: Here are the first four generations: 1- Francois bOURASSA b. France, m. in France, Maruerite DUGAS, b. France, d. St Hilaire de Loulay, Lucon, France. Francois died St-Hilaire-de-Loulay, Lucon, France. children: 2. i Francois b. 1659. Second Generation: 2. Francois BOURASSA b. 1659, St Hilaire de Loulay, Lucon, France, m. 4 July 1684, in Contrecoeur, Vercheres, QC, Canada, Marie LeBER, bp. 6 Dec. 1666, Montreal, Hochelaga, QC, Canada, (daugheter of Francois LeBERT and Jeanne TESTARD)d. 1756. Francois died 9 May 1708, Montreal, Hochelaga, QC,Canada, buried: 9 May 1708, Montreal Hochelaga, QC,Canada. Children: i Francois BOURASSA bp. 30 Sep 1685 3. ii Rene. iii Marie Elisabeth BOURASSA b. 1695, bp 25 Feb 1695, m. 21 Jul 1712, in Laprairie, Laprairie, QC, Canada, Jacues PINSONNEAU, (son of Francois PINSONNEAULT and Anne LEBER) Marie Elisabeth died 1766. 4. iv Francois Joachim v. Charles-Joseph BOURASSA bo, 13 June1703 5. vi Antoine. vii Susanne BOURASSA bp. 24 Mar 1707. Third Generation: 3. Rene BOURASSA bp. 21 Dec 1688, Laprairie, Laprairie, QC, Canada, Agnes GAGNE, bp. 17 Dec 1692, Laprairie, Laprairie, QC, Canada, (daugther of Pierre GAGNE and Catharine DAUBIGEON) m. (2) 28 Sep 1721, in Laprairie, Laprairie, QC, Canada, MARIE CATHERINE LERIGER, bp. 25 Nov 1702, Laprairie, Laprairie, QC, Canada, (daughter of Clement LERIGER-LAPLANTE and Marie ROY) rENE DIED 1788. THAT IS THE BEGINNING: there are 13 more pages and many posts concerning this lineage the line i am tracing goes from Rene to REne to Rene Francois BOURASSA married Charlotte-Veronique CHEVALIER in Mackinac 1726. if you will read these postings from bourassa descendents you will see that the beginning is clear but there is some confusion later down the line especially where the indian lineage is traced. Some names are mixed up i believe and i am still trying to sort it out. Now here are some stories: REne who married Veronica is supposed to be Chief Topinabee, the last Potawatomi War chief. There is reference to this in a book called "Potawatomi of the West... Origines of the Citizen Band... by Rev Joe Murphy. O.S.B. You can look at this post and the discussion of chief Topinabee and his son Chief Daniel at the genealogy.com forum http://genforum.genealogy.com/bourassa/messages/160.html The BOURASSA name is entwined with the fur trade and metis genealogies. It seems that migrated from Canada and were found here in St. Ignace, were found in Indiana/Illinois/ohio and in Kansas/oklahoma (this is due to the indian removal) I am sure you will be able to find exactly what part of the tree you come from if you search out these sites and post on them. And a million other questions!!! Good luck and happy adventuring!! There are great names and people associated with this name!! You will find plenty of stories!

Hi Marianne, The Truckey/Trottier line married into my Lajoice line. I have Frank's birth year as 1811. I also have different birth years for Marguarite 1824, Adelaide 1929 and Roselie 1833. I don't have the dau Catherine's DOB nor Helen's. Have you worked on your husband's line for some time? I have been working on these lines for about 7 years. Maybe we could share further. BettyK ><><><><><><>>< ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Senecal" <marianne666@earthlink.net> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: [MIMac] Trottier/Truckey family > I have some information on the family but there is a problem. According to Cecelia Truckey's newspaper article it states she was from a family of 16 and 14 were still alive in 1918 when she died. It says that her oldest brother (un-named) was 108 when he died which would make him born before 1810, but I show her parents Charles Francis Trottier and Catherine Martin didn't marry untill 1823 even though I show Charles b. 1775 and Catherine b. 1791. I have 3 children without any birth date Frank, Catharine, & Helen, and I have Mary b. abt 1807, Antoine b. 1809, the un-named brother bef 1810, Joseph b. 1812, Augustin b. 1815, Pierre b. 1820, Genevieve b. 1821, Marguarite 1823, Cecelia 1825, Adelaide 1828 (g-grandmother of my husband), Sophie b. 1831, Rosalie b. 1834 and Louise b. 1836. Can anyone help me correct the error. Marianne > > > Marianne Senecal > marianne666@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm >

I have some information on the family but there is a problem. According to Cecelia Truckey's newspaper article it states she was from a family of 16 and 14 were still alive in 1918 when she died. It says that her oldest brother (un-named) was 108 when he died which would make him born before 1810, but I show her parents Charles Francis Trottier and Catherine Martin didn't marry untill 1823 even though I show Charles b. 1775 and Catherine b. 1791. I have 3 children without any birth date Frank, Catharine, & Helen, and I have Mary b. abt 1807, Antoine b. 1809, the un-named brother bef 1810, Joseph b. 1812, Augustin b. 1815, Pierre b. 1820, Genevieve b. 1821, Marguarite 1823, Cecelia 1825, Adelaide 1828 (g-grandmother of my husband), Sophie b. 1831, Rosalie b. 1834 and Louise b. 1836. Can anyone help me correct the error. Marianne Marianne Senecal marianne666@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Thanks Stan and Betty.. for sources Brenda

In my original post, I cited the following URL as the place wherein the article appeared. http://www.rootsweb.com/~wioconto/Lakesfamilies.htm Within my quotation, there is reference to one BettyK whom I acknowledged as the writer of the article. She wrote to me this afternoon to say that she had forgotten having written the essay. You may contact her, I presume, at this address. It is the return address on her post to me. bettyk90@voyager.net She is a subscriber to this message board which is how she knew to contact me. She may be reading this exchange. She seems a warm and friendly genealogist so I expect she will pick up the correspondence and assist you to the utmost. In the meantime, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. May peace overtake us all. Stan swickman@twmi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <KINGSLEY@aol.com> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [MIMac] dit > Hi Stan, > Can you site your sources? > thanks Brenda >

Hi Stan, I forgot all about this one. But thanks for sharing it again it does seem to help people understand about dit names. BettyK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Wickman" <swickman@twmi.rr.com> To: <MIMACKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: [MIMac] dit > The following text was discovered at the web site linked below. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wioconto/Lakesfamilies.htm > > Respectfully submitted by BettyK (the author of the text below) > > Anyone doing French-Canadian family research will at one point or an other > discover that one or more of their ancestors had dit names and then ask, > "Where did dit names come from? When did they begin? Why is it that some > families had dit names and others did not?" Before we even start to discuss > dit names--we should make clear what dit names are not--and they are not the > following: > > A dit name is definitely not a nickname. > A dit name is positively not an alias > A dit names is assuredly not an a.k.a. (also known as). > > All three of the above tell you that a dit is not a replacement for an > existing name, i.e. used instead of. A dit name, in fact, was an extension > to an existing name, and became part and parcel of the original basic name. > The custom of having dit names first began amongst the nobles and kings. It > was a matter of positive identity. As an example: Guillaume, Duke of > Normandie--because of his many exploits in military battles and > conquests--had the name "Guillaume dit le Conquerant." Then, in 1066 when he > invaded and conquered England, the English people had difficulty in > pronouncing his French name of Guillaume and they called him "Gillium" but > that quickly became "William". His French dit name of Guillaume dit le > Conquerant then became "William the Conqueror." > > The use of dit names did not come into common usage until the late 1500's, > it was at this period in history that dit names became very popular in > France. Families of 14, 16, and/or 18 children were not uncommon. Those > large families, sedentary in nature, produced enormous numbers of > duplications of names. For the authorities it created a problem of proper > identification, there were too many people with the same first and last > names. such people as Judges, police chiefs, priests, and others in > authority had to know definitely whom they were dealing with, and this is > when dit names came into common usage. > > The custom of dit names was extended to the military. In the early 1600's, > under the French Regime, any young man entering the service was assigned a > "soubriquet" (a dit name). Usually the dit name assigned was taken from an > attribute of the man. As an example: Romain Becquet was a huge man, he was > given the dit name of La Montagne (the mountain man). Therefore he became > Romain Becquet dit Lamontagne. The custom of the use of dit names persisted > and was carried to Canada. There are some families, in the Province of > Quebec, that at this late date, are still using a "double" family name. It > was when the numbers of family members diminished that dit names began to > disappear from the scene. > > Stan > swickman@twmi.rr.com > > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm >

Hi Stan, Can you site your sources? thanks Brenda